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Old 6th March 2018, 10:15 AM   #2441
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According to the project's page at the University's domain, the project ends on April 30th.

That's less than 8 weeks from now.

AE's project page, wtc7evaluation.org states that a "draft report of the study is scheduled for release in early 2018 and will be open for public comment for a six-week period, allowing for input from the public and the engineering community. The final report will then be published in May or June 2018".

Suppose they release the draft today.
Then add six weeks for comments to come in.
That period will end April 17th.
They would then have 13 days left to work the comments into a final report.

Or they'll break the deadline.

OK, let's say it loud and clear: Hulsey's team will break the deadline.

Remember: The draft, which still isn't out today, was as recently as September 2017 promised to be out in the public no later than November 2017, i.e. in under 3 months. We have beem waiting for almost 6 months now.

Will they also exceed the budget ($316,153)?
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Old 7th March 2018, 12:40 AM   #2442
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If "you" were a grad student with Hulsey, and you found out Halsey was nuts on 9/11; would you work for him?

9/11 truth, nuts, not the kind you can eat.
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I just downloaded all the Research Data and Analysis. Everything is 2-3 years old.
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Old 10th March 2018, 01:19 PM   #2444
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Weird News Update: Hulsey a No-Planer?

Wow, according to this British news source, it's the "No Planes" theory that might be floating Hulsey's boat. (At least, it's how it's being perceived.)

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While many of the theories are bizarre, one longstanding view is the towers would not have collapsed in the way they did if they were hit by aircraft.

Some claim there must have been a "controlled detonation" at ground level for the Twin Towers to fall in on themselves as they did.

One key part of their argument is the collapse of a third smaller tower, called Building 7, at the World Trade Centre complex, several hours after the huge skyscrapers fell.

Until now, the theory has been just that and confined to the online forums of conspiracy theory websites.

But now, the University of Alaska is sponsoring a full investigation into claims that World Trade Center Building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition during the 9/11 attacks.
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Dr Hulsey and the WTC7 Evaluation project hope to answer some of the remaining questions.

The project is a two-year study that is being crowd-funded through Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
...

The professor and his team are soliciting financial support from the public from now until the completion of the study in April 2017

Ted Walter, Director of Strategy and Development for A&E 9/11 Truth, is in charge of working with the professor and raising money to fund the WTC7 Evaluation.

He said: “They are coming up with different scenarios of how hot the fires could have been in different parts of the building, and then for the next six months they will be running tests and scenarios.

“The last few months, early next year, will be all about putting the findings into a final report.”

The team want the final report published in peer-reviewed engineering journals.
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Old 10th March 2018, 03:43 PM   #2445
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Dave, the way I read it, no "no plane" talk is attributed to Hulsey. I think you are stretching a badly composed report too far.
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Old 10th March 2018, 04:08 PM   #2446
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Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR View Post
Wow, according to this British news source, it's the "No Planes" theory that might be floating Hulsey's boat. (At least, it's how it's being perceived.)
This is old. I doubt Hulsey is a "no-planer" He also is not exploring diferant fire scenarios (as far as anyone can tell). This was part of the original study. After his announcement that the NIST conclusion that fire was responsible was declared "impossible", the hope of an objective study was a ship that sailed.



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Dave, the way I read it, no "no plane" talk is attributed to Hulsey. I think you are stretching a badly composed report too far.
I agree. The possibility that the study will be published outside of the believer community is also remote.
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There were no plane no brainers in the comments

Read the comments from idiots and morons. A few no plane nuts showed up to brag about their quest to win lowest IQ. Then James Fetzer shows up.

Then we have the expert James (No Fantasy to Far Out) Fetzer's comment:
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For those who are open-minded enough to actually look at the evidence related to faking the 9/11 "crash sites", watch "The Real Deal Ep #100 The 9/11 Crash Sites with Maj. Gen. Albert Stubbelbine (USA, ret.)", who was formerly in charge of all US military signals and photographic intelligence, where he not only agree with my analysis that all four had been fabricated or faked (albeit in different ways) but added more reasons why I was correct.
Stubblebine, Fetzer, get something right. Stubblebine is a CD proponent, and has no clue 77 hit the Pentagon.
For more on Stubblebine, and Men Who Stare at Goats see - or google for it, and find lots of woo
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=120227954
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one Albert Stubblebine III, who was so worried that the Russians would get the psychological-weapons jump on us that he personally tried to walk through walls. It didn't work.
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Old 10th March 2018, 05:52 PM   #2448
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Originally Posted by DaveThomasNMSR View Post
Wow, according to this British news source [...]

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But now, the University of Alaska is sponsoring a full investigation into claims that World Trade Center Building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition during the 9/11 attacks.
Is the highlighted right? I thought it was AE911T who was funding it.
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Is the highlighted right? I thought it was AE911T who was funding it.
Simply poor reporting. Someone fed the Express a AE press release, and they put in zero effort when rewriting it. Which certainly included misinterpretations.
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
This is old. I doubt Hulsey is a "no-planer" He also is not exploring diferant fire scenarios (as far as anyone can tell). This was part of the original study. After his announcement that the NIST conclusion that fire was responsible was declared "impossible", the hope of an objective study was a ship that sailed.





I agree. The possibility that the study will be published outside of the believer community is also remote.
His work is meaningless drivel.
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Old 20th March 2018, 10:27 AM   #2451
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
According to the project's page at the University's domain, the project ends on April 30th.

That's less than 8 weeks from now.

AE's project page, wtc7evaluation.org states that a "draft report of the study is scheduled for release in early 2018 and will be open for public comment for a six-week period, allowing for input from the public and the engineering community. The final report will then be published in May or June 2018".

Suppose they release the draft today.
Then add six weeks for comments to come in.
That period will end April 17th.
They would then have 13 days left to work the comments into a final report.

Or they'll break the deadline.

OK, let's say it loud and clear: Hulsey's team will break the deadline.

...

Will they also exceed the budget ($316,153)?
We are now under six weeks to go to the end of Hulsey's project, according to the project page at uaf.edu.

This means there is no way he will be able to finish the report before time runs out.
No new info at any of the websites related to the project.
No Truther, apparently, cares.
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Old 22nd March 2018, 06:32 PM   #2452
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
We are now under six weeks to go to the end of Hulsey's project, according to the project page at uaf.edu.

This means there is no way he will be able to finish the report before time runs out.
No new info at any of the websites related to the project.
No Truther, apparently, cares.
Some of them got their $$$, they're fine with that. It's a living...


...a pathetic living, and still a living.
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Delivery dates and schedules mean nothing to them...
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Old 27th March 2018, 04:48 AM   #2454
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Delivery dates and schedules mean nothing to them...

So you're saying, they'd be perfect candidates for Kickstarter funding?
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Old 27th March 2018, 01:56 PM   #2455
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From AE911 Truth's email machine:
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Update from Dr. Leroy Hulsey on the UAF WTC7 Study
March 27, 2018

http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

Dr. Leroy Hulsey gave the following update on March 27, 2018:

To all who have been following the University of Alaska Fairbanks study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7:

First, I would like to thank you for your interest in and support of the study.

We had planned to release our findings for public review early this year. However, research often takes unexpected turns, and the more complicated the problem, the more difficult it is to predict the completion date. We are still in the process of studying hypothetical collapse mechanisms and attempting to simulate the building’s failure. Our goal is to determine, with a high degree of confidence, the sequence of failures that may have caused the observed collapse and to rule out those mechanisms that could not have caused the observed collapse.

We will release our findings for public review when we are sure we fully understand the mechanisms that are likely to have caused the observed collapse and those that clearly did not occur and could not have caused the observed collapse. We expect to publish our findings later this year, but we will refrain from naming a completion date, given the unpredictability of the research process.

Again, we thank you for your interest in our study and we appreciate your patience as we strive to bring a truly scientific answer to the important question of how WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001.

Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey

Chair, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

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This raises the question: If the budget is $316,153 and the project is scheduled to run May 1, 2015 - April 30, 2018, who will fund the research after April 30th? Will Hulsey work for free on weekends and late evenings, or will AE911Truth chip in more money?
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The important question of how an empty building that was on fire for hours fell down 17 years ago...
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We are still in the process of studying hypothetical collapse mechanisms and attempting to simulate the building’s failure. Our goal is to determine, with a high degree of confidence, the sequence of failures that may have caused the observed collapse and to rule out those mechanisms that could not have caused the observed collapse.
This rules out explosives because absolutely no evidence has been found to support the idea.

This leads to the question as to who's degree of confidence he's referring to. (I'm guessing the same guy that claimed natural/fire driven collapse was impossible).........
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Any bets as to when this turns into another "Mark Basile" study?
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What's funny is how the simplistic explanations the Truthers and Gage and his minions have always put forth has morphed into a study that exceeds the time frame allocated itself and will cost appreciably more. With all that said, I can't help but envision Gage telling Hulsey "No, no no! That's not what we want! Go back!" or even perhaps Hulsey telling Gage "I have to go back and look at all this again. Its not coming out right."
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My reading of that email is "We're finding unexpected difficulties because we can't get our model of WTC7 to fall the way the real thing did, if we apply explosives or thermite. We need more time to find a way to fit our round peg in that trapezoid-shaped hole".
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This was just posted on the Facebook group for AE9/11T

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The following update from Dr. Leroy Hulsey was posted today on WTC7Evaluation.org. AE911Truth is grateful to the hundreds who have supported the UAF WTC 7 study financially and to the thousands who are eagerly awaiting the release of the UAF WTC 7 report.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

To all who have been following the University of Alaska Fairbanks study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7:

First, I would like to thank you for your interest in and support of the study.

We had planned to release our findings for public review early this year. However, research often takes unexpected turns, and the more complicated the problem, the more difficult it is to predict the completion date. We are still in the process of studying hypothetical collapse mechanisms and attempting to simulate the building’s failure. Our goal is to determine, with a high degree of confidence, the sequence of failures that may have caused the observed collapse and to rule out those mechanisms that could not have caused the observed collapse.

We will release our findings for public review when we are sure we fully understand the mechanisms that are likely to have caused the observed collapse and those that clearly did not occur and could not have caused the observed collapse. We expect to publish our findings later this year, but we will refrain from naming a completion date, given the unpredictability of the research process.

Again, we thank you for your interest in our study and we appreciate your patience as we strive to bring a truly scientific answer to the important question of how WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001.

Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey
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This is funny, they haven't done any real work on this study in two and half years.
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Gage wanted Hulsey to "prove" fire could not be the proximate cause of the collapse.

He may have realized he can't prove it... but might find some flaws in the NIST details.

If this is true it still fails the intended purpose of the study.

NIST is a target for truthers because they appear to present THE scenario for the collapses. Mistakes and omissions, regardless of how insignificant are interpreted signs they had to "cheat" and are covering up something... something being a CD.

This is totally the wrong approach. Show how CD devices were placed, how they worked and were timed/detonated and how the destruction leads to and matches the real world motion. THAT they will never do.... probably because they are incapable of it.
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NIST is a target for truthers because they appear to present THE scenario for the collapses. Mistakes and omissions, regardless of how insignificant are interpreted signs they had to "cheat" and are covering up something... something being a CD.
The Truther fascination/obsession with the NIST is,... well,... fascinating. Here we have a tiny, obscure, non-partisan organization of math, science and engineering nerds with no regulatory authority which has been around in various forms for about 2 centuries, quietly keeping standards and measures with no controversy at all. Then 9/11 comes along and suddenly these same math, science and engineering nerds are super Ninja stormtroopers in the front lines of the NWO. Then once the 9/11 investigations are over they go back to quietly being math, science and engineering nerds.
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NIST's main sort of practical problems with the situations revolved around numerical complexity and results not converging properly. When that happened, they stopped the machines, simplified the model by first doing a sub-simulation of the sort of node that caused the problems, then secondly substituting a full connection model with a simpler one that uses the sub-modelling output. Or they would throw in engineering judgement.

I would not be surprised at all if Hulsey ran into the same sort of problems, only his expertise solving them would be far poorer than that of NIST.

So the way I am reading this is actually rather honest: "I didn't know this stuff is so difficult, I am trying my best, but it ain't enough".
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The Truther fascination/obsession with the NIST is,... well,... fascinating. Here we have a tiny, obscure, non-partisan organization of math, science and engineering nerds with no regulatory authority which has been around in various forms for about 2 centuries, quietly keeping standards and measures with no controversy at all. Then 9/11 comes along and suddenly these same math, science and engineering nerds are super Ninja stormtroopers in the front lines of the NWO. Then once the 9/11 investigations are over they go back to quietly being math, science and engineering nerds.
You put it better than I ever have. I'm gonna use this from now on
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You put it better than I ever have. I'm gonna use this from now on
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I am starting to think that Gage is behind in his payments, and they are drawing this out so he can finish paying Hulsey before it goes to print.
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I am starting to think that Gage is behind in his payments, and they are drawing this out so he can finish paying Hulsey before it goes to print.
No. This is very likely not true.

UAF is a public university. This means that some outside controlling and certain ethical standards apply to the funding of such projects. Hulsey cannot at the same time solicit, use, and control outside funds. There are offices at the university that have to give him green lights for budgets and due dates.

I contacted the institute's business office and learned that "Hulsey did request a no cost extension through December 31, 2018 to complete project deliverables", and that no outside funding in addition to the original $316K is coming in.
No explicit mention if the $316K have been payed in time, but I'd assume that, if the delay was due to non-payment, the reply I got would have reflected that in some way.

The project apparently was budgeted with 2 assistants, 3 years - but one of the two assistants left the project quite a while ago. Perhaps this saved them some of the money (and caused some of the delay), such that the other assistant can be payed longer?
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Old 13th April 2018, 01:09 PM   #2472
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post

I contacted the institute's business office and learned that "Hulsey did request a no cost extension through December 31, 2018 to complete project deliverables",
This indicates that all the lab work (time) is done and no university time will be used on this project. Simply put (by my reading), he has not completed the study and wants the university to continue to acknowledge it without finding for eight more months. If denied, the study dies without finding.
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Old 17th April 2018, 05:44 AM   #2473
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This was just posted on the Facebook group for AE9/11T

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The following update from Dr. Leroy Hulsey was posted today on WTC7Evaluation.org. AE911Truth is grateful to the hundreds who have supported the UAF WTC 7 study financially and to the thousands who are eagerly awaiting the release of the UAF WTC 7 report.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

To all who have been following the University of Alaska Fairbanks study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7:

First, I would like to thank you for your interest in and support of the study.

We had planned to release our findings for public review early this year. However, research often takes unexpected turns, and the more complicated the problem, the more difficult it is to predict the completion date. We are still in the process of studying hypothetical collapse mechanisms and attempting to simulate the building’s failure. Our goal is to determine, with a high degree of confidence, the sequence of failures that may have caused the observed collapse and to rule out those mechanisms that could not have caused the observed collapse.

We will release our findings for public review when we are sure we fully understand the mechanisms that are likely to have caused the observed collapse and those that clearly did not occur and could not have caused the observed collapse. We expect to publish our findings later this year, but we will refrain from naming a completion date, given the unpredictability of the research process.

Again, we thank you for your interest in our study and we appreciate your patience as we strive to bring a truly scientific answer to the important question of how WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001.

Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey
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Is Hulsey still 100% sure that fire was not the cause or has he changed his mind and is still looking at fire as a possibility?

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The findings thus far are that fire did not bring down this building.
I mean, what other mechanism is there if fire didn't do it? Demolition is the only other one I can think of. Why not release the bombshell of a report that 100% proves fire didn't do it? Wouldn't that be enough to bring the government to its knees? Isn't bringing the government to justice and exposing the lies what this is all about?
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Old 17th April 2018, 07:04 PM   #2474
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Sometimes I just hate being right, but Hulsey and the jokers at AE911Truth insist on being oh-so predictably inane and insipid.

(See here, here and here.)

Any truther types want to make a bet as to whether my predictions are wrong?
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Old 21st April 2018, 11:19 AM   #2475
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
"...Why not release the bombshell of a report that 100% proves fire didn't do it? Wouldn't that be enough to bring the government to its knees? Isn't bringing the government to justice and exposing the lies what this is all about?"
The government is already on its knees and has been there for quite some time.
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The government is already on its knees and has been there for quite some time.
You are confused.

You are thinking of Stormy Daniels.
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
The government is already on its knees and has been there for quite some time.
What? were you part of the Ba'ath Party.
When is the next big smoking gun from 9/11 truth? So far all the smoking guns were delusional fantasy born in ignorance of the believers.

What is the next step for a die hard 9/11 truth believer? Has ae911t(aka liars for donations) run out of kool aid?

Hulsey failed before he started. If fire could not destroy building we would not have to insulate against fire and fight fire. Hulsey's claim failed, you can't prove fire can't do it.
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Originally Posted by Criteria View Post
The government is already on its knees and has been there for quite some time.
Yeah, still waiting.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 06:14 AM   #2479
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
"...Hulsey failed before he started.

If fire could not destroy building we would not have to insulate against fire and fight fire.

Hulsey's claim failed, you can't prove fire can't do it."
Your dependence on bluster reveals the failure of your belief.

Through accepted scientific methodology Dr. Hulsey and his associates have established that the fires particular to WTC7 on 9/11 could never create the collapse that occurred.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 06:46 AM   #2480
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Your dependence on bluster reveals the failure of your belief.

Through accepted scientific methodology Dr. Hulsey and his associates have established that the fires particular to WTC7 on 9/11 could never create the collapse that occurred.
No science is required to spread a lie like Hulsey has done. The fact is WTC 7 did collapse due to fire, thus proved wrong before they made up the fake conclusion for the 9/11 truth followers. You repeat lies without checking, believe on blind faith.

Hulsey is either an idiot, or crafty getting over 300,000 dollars for a fake research project, injecting money into the school. I know, research dollars are fought for, and if Gage is dumb enough to fund a fake study, looks like Hulsey is gullible or smart to grab the money and run. Fraud or money man, idiot, or smart - we will never know, and Hulsey's study is the next in line of fake studies which fool those who can't think for themselves. But we will know, if Hulsey persists in the believe 9/11 was an inside job, he is another failed truther.

Extra irony that conspiracy theorist are super skeptical, and overwhelmingly gullible. 9/11 CTer don't believe the truth, and blindly accept nonsense based on their overwhelming ignorance without thinking. Skeptical/Gullible, the conspiracy theorists failure trait.

9/11 truth has not run out of kool-aid, there are those who continue to drink and believe the lies from the fantasy world of paranoid woo, 9/11 truth?\

Got any evidence yet for your 9/11 truth claims? No. Pulitzer? No
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