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28th November 2015, 09:11 AM | #241 |
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What a load of BS. The dynamics of the collapses show a gravity collapse, no charges. The firefighters did not hear explosives, and they felt aircraft impacts, and building parts hitting building parts - the collapse released the energy equal of 115 tons of TNT, twice. Thus simile is your evidence for CD, and it is not evidence, sounded like, and felt like are opinions, not evidence. And the BS of charges is fantasy, not evidence; not science, just BS.
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Did Larry Silverstein pass a message to the hijackers to be sure to hit WTC 1 from the north? Or did he plan to simply unload all the therm*te and explosives from WTC 7, if it weren't hit? |
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Redwood - you are expecting truthers to think and be consistent. Neither of those attributes apply to truthers. How many truthers have you met who can reason and can be consistent? Thought so. Recall the "Twin Hypotheses":
A) Most truthers show clearly that they do not think and many of them go the step further and demonstrate that they cannot think; B) Being unable to think is what pre-set many of them to be truthers in the first instance. For A) "think" is defined as a process of logical reasoning converging to a well defined and rigorously supportable conclusion, i.e. It is a convergent thinking process. Most truthers - if they show any signs of thinking - are divergent thinkers. For B) many truthers clearly show distrust of authority as an underlying motivation. Also that they have been distrustful of authority as a life coping strategy. One obvious sequence being that a person who cannot think (convergently) faces many complex events which they cannot process - and it cannot be their own failing - so it must be someones fault. Blame "The Man", Government or "those in authority" becomes their coping strategy. Blame someone other than me for my inability to think becomes a Pavlovian Conditioned Reflex. Given that life script 9/11 is almost irrelevant - it was just another complicated thing they do not understand. Hence explaining the technical truths of 9/11 will not change their mind. It is still too complicated AND the real issues is limited reasoning skills - not 9/11 per se. (The class of para-religious faith based believers in CD is a separate demographic category - and some truthers demonstrate both limited reasoning skills and faith based obsession.) (Experience suggests that the combination is immovable. Name your own examples. ) |
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The possibility of revealing domestic complicity and continuing the fight against extremeism aren't mutually exclusive. You'll have to rewrite the last 15years of trash propaganda historical perspective, possibly toss out a few pardons, and maybe pay some reparations for all the death, but it could be done. It needs to be done. Sent from our shared looking glass platform |
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As I have typically pointed out from outside of the chemistry perspective... if they believe they've found thermite I can entertain that, but then, the next step is showing that it directly contributed to the collapse. The mental gymnastics over how thermite is ignited is interesting but as a person who works to design buildings my interest lies more in knowing whether or not the said chemicals did damage to initiate the collapse and if said material could withstand the impact trauma and fires to still do its job. (and rather not simply "if" it "could have" but also if it really did). The constant ad hominem attacks don't exactly tell me that.
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29th November 2015, 08:06 AM | #253 |
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They used asbestos gloves. That's why they put asbestos on the steel around 1970, and never removed it fully till 2001, in the fist place: So that when the EPA finds asbestos fibers in the dust, they wouldn's suspect the XS-sized, saw-wielding, asbestos-gloved platoons.
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Thermite is used in some demolition devices, but it requires Oxygen to be most effective, either with a bottled oxygen source or thermally degraded oxygen supply.
A pressurized container could also be used for thiner steels, there is no evidence of thermite on 9/11/2001, only of fraudulent claims of thermite. If you would like to know more I have studied the matter even making my own nano thermite before it was commercially available. |
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So there were no Firefighters in any WTC buildings when Flight 175 hit? Are you sure? No firefighters felt Flight 11 hit? Are you sure? These impacts were equal in energy to big bombs; do you deny the physics of kinetic energy impacts? Have you been in combat, bombed, SCUDed by Saddam? Had your office windows blown out by a bomb? Have you been near a kinetic energy impact of 1300 to 2000 pounds of TNT? Wonder if it feels like an explosion.
Firefighters who were in any building in the complex would feel the aircraft impacts, they were equal in energy to large bombs, and the sound and impact would be transmitted by steel, faster than sound in air. The collapsing building hitting floors would be felt too. There were no explosives, and only impacts would be felt. The charges BS is a fantasy; a fantasy with no reality based evidence. Where do you find silent explosives? |
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Again I don't know much about the chemistry, but if the steel had failed because of these things it would have been obvious to the engineering side of things. That these people are so stuck on the existence of thermitic materials and not the causality to collapse this long after the fact is evidence that the results are rather inconsequential even if it were present.
Of course not to suggest that this sort of thing can't be discussed at all. |
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I've seen it alleged several times that Jones started the demolition assertion, do you believe that? Do you blame him for the "inside job" tack?
It was Dylan Avery's succinct portrayal of the squibs in LC that revealed to me the CD in the towers, and Jones/Harrit et al found the murder weapon.... I knew it was an inside job in October of 2001 when bio weapons were levied at the legislative branch and local Arizonan William Cooper was killed. I went from wanting to enlist, to wanting to resist in the course of just a few minutes and it was literally gut wrenching. Did you know William Cooper predicted a coup d'etat when he correctly questioned how a CNN reporter and camera crew were somehow able to gain access to UBL, who was then wanted for the Cole bombings? Did you know he was broadcasting "false flag" immediately and was summarily executed because he would not be detained or silent? There's room for the truth here folks. I love my Country enough to care. |
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WTC 7 was intended to be taken down earlier in the day, but resulted in a hung structure.
Larry took advantage of the operation. When we prove CD in WTC7, do you think he'll give the 7billion back? I could think of a few school districts that could use that, particularly the ones that taught you to live in such denial. Is the FBI monitoring UAF to protect Hulsey yet? Needing to return 7billion would be motive to put some dark actions in play. Hope that team survives. |
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29th November 2015, 10:35 PM | #269 |
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LOL, you are joking. Why do you make fun of the dumbest movement in history? Loose Change was fiction, Dylan explains this. I am not sure, but after Dylan did his fiction, did he believe his fantasy of 911, or was he fooling those who can't think for themselves. Squibs? Did they have blood with the squib? What is a squib? The dumbest tag line in 911 Truth's BS book?
Jones and Harrit can't find evidence; Jones left 911 truth for over unity circuits... finished his woo with 911, and went on to the next pile of woo You are making me laugh; kind of sad for 911 truth to mock the murdered of 911 with dumbed down lies of CD, inside job and insane thermite claims. You do a Good parody of 911 truth, the most disrespectful and anti-intellectual movement. |
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The squibs are so blatantly explosive it's inane to even have these conversations with you. Some of the squibs occur about ten floors below the primary demolition wave. You want them to be compressed air from squished floors, lmao. Heck, even if you admitted the impact floors were detonating and causing exponential pressure effects, that still can't explain squibs ten floors down, some occurring below mechanical floor divisions. The squibs (small charges splitting the exterior box columns like a zipper below the blast wave) can be seen in both tower one and two, but of course you know that. Chertoff mocked the murder of thousands by failing to do his job. Clearly his loyalties were not with the fallen, or for America. Did he take an oath? Did he care? We should ask him... Sent from our shared looking glass platform |
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911 truth spreads lies of CD. Why does 911 truth lie about CD? Ignorance, or incompetence.
911 truth spreads lies of squibs, and they are subsonic air being forced out of the WTC by floors failing. 911 truth depends on the ignorance of the followers to spread lies mocking the murder of thousands with fantasy CD. 911 has subsonic air expulsion, and 911 truth call them squibs; where does 911 truth buy sub-sonic explosives, silent, and no blast effects squibs. No steel on 911 damaged by your fantasy of squibs. Why is that? 14 years of failure - 911 truth Air from the floors failing fools a fringe few, and 911 truth makes up the fantasy of CD. 19 terrorists used four aircraft on 911, 911 truth lies about the event out of paranoid bias BS. How does the delusion of squibs work with Flights 93 and 77? Squibs; one of the top crazy claims made by the failed movement, 911 truth. No evidence, no clue, 911 truth. If 911 truth could do physics, they could debunk the squibs and see the air expulsions are consistent with a gravity collapse. Simple physics must be banned from 911 truth - physics proves 911 truth claims are BS. Why do 911 truth followers fail to have practical knowledge of physics? What is the speed of the air coming out of the WTC? oops, proof there are no squibs; what are squibs? RDX? Why was no steel damaged by thermite? |
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Originally Posted by notconvinced
When? Who? How? And of course: Where? (...is your evidence) |
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What video did you see that in?
The so called 'squibs' are random and in no particular sequence at all, nor do they even approach the number that would qualify as "splitting the exterior box columns like a zipper ". As for being several floors below the perimeter collapse zone ("blast wave" LOL): this has been explained ad nauseum. Some parts of the interior floor collapse was leading the perimeter destruction. The mass falling through floor pans was ahead of the perimeter coming apart. That interior collapse became fairly chaotic after a few floors of collapse. |
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Blatantly explosive by spurious resemblance I guess. I'd argue over the issue of sound but experience tells me I could probably post a video taken right near the base of the building, still have no explosion sounds, and he'd still find some way to justify that they were explosives. I had one guy last year try to tell me that the explosions actually happened a second before the camera man turned to face WTC 2 when they were doing a live report 300 ft from the base of the building. The noise levels were still nowhere near the magnitude to even justify it, but I guess if there's a will to justify phenomena that don't exist, there's a way... certainly as much the case with WTC 7's case no?
It's all about the squibs. If at first you hear no explosions, redefine the meaning of sound. |
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My sympathy goes to the terrorist or "inside jobber" who actually placed the squibs.
Just think - the best achievement of your career as a terrorist...undetectable CD of such iconic buildings... ..AND you find it was totally unnecessary. Every other terrorist would be laughing behind your back... ...you couldn't hold your head up in any gathering of terrorists ..conduct "Master Classes" on "How NOT to blow up buildings which don't need your help" ...you could not use it in your CV when applying for a terrorist job: "Proven expertise at committing undetected CD when it is totally unnecessary - performed CD in the progression stages of WTC Twin Towers without recognising that ROOSD didn't need the help of squibs." The expression "poor fellow"* comes to mind. * W S Gilbert 1879 |
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Um, no, I don't see it. All three quotes include link buttons that take one back to the right post. The second quote block is a quote of one of my posts, a response to one of yours.
So, tell me , exactly when was this attempted demolition of WTC 7, that resulted in hung structure? Was it when WTC 1 collapsed? When firefighters were walking through the building? When J&H were in the stairwell? When J&H were at the NE window? Some other time? |
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