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Old 7th February 2022, 01:59 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
And to back up the report JimBob linked to - https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...yny-in-the-met - a first hand account from a woman who was a Met PC for 11 years.
Interesting first hand accounts but this caught my eye “….. I’m desperate for the Met to regain its reputation as one of the most trustworthy forces in the world…..”

When was that halcyon time? The Met was corrupt top to bottom in the 60s, 70s and into 80s, then we got institutional racism.

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Interesting that a detective can be found guilty of gross misconduct for sexual harassment of a mugging victim and yet can get a job as an aide to the head of the Met.

Gross misconduct is grounds for instant dismissal in most organisations.
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Interesting first hand accounts but this caught my eye “….. I’m desperate for the Met to regain its reputation as one of the most trustworthy forces in the world…..”

When was that halcyon time? The Met was corrupt top to bottom in the 1860s, 1870s and into 1880s, then we got institutional racism.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Interesting first hand accounts but this caught my eye “….. I’m desperate for the Met to regain its reputation as one of the most trustworthy forces in the world…..”

When was that halcyon time? The Met was corrupt top to bottom in the 60s, 70s and into 80s, then we got institutional racism.
Perhaps the word "undeserved" is missing from the highlighted.
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Interesting first hand accounts but this caught my eye “….. I’m desperate for the Met to regain its reputation as one of the most trustworthy forces in the world…..”

When was that halcyon time? The Met was corrupt top to bottom in the 60s, 70s and into 80s, then we got institutional racism.
And if you've watched that recent Beeb series about the Nilsen farrago the rampant homophobia and sexism, possibly a hint of discrimination against Scots and Northerners, was also a feature rather than a bug.
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
And if you've watched that recent Beeb series about the Nilsen farrago the rampant homophobia and sexism, possibly a hint of discrimination against Scots and Northerners, was also a feature rather than a bug.
And it's not as if the other forces were paragons of virtue. I'm a survivor of James "swirling in a human cesspit of their own making" Anderton's policing in the 80s and 90s. Being spat on by police officers so called "policing" marches and the like was a common experience, along with a minor bit of violence or as often happened especially to youngsters, threatened with arrest or a beating if they didn't shall we say "engage in a sexual act" with an officer.

Nasty times.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ans-like-putin

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In an opinion article for the Guardian, penned on the way to Brussels where he reaffirmed Labour’s staunch support for Nato, Starmer says Stop the War are “not benign voices for peace”.

“At best they are naive, at worst they actively give succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies. There is nothing progressive in showing solidarity with the aggressor when our allies need our solidarity and – crucially – our practical assistance now more than ever,” he said.

He said Putin’s regime would see Stop the War protesters in the UK as “virtue signallers” who were “providing a smokescreen so it can go on beating up and jailing those brave individuals that dare to stand up to its despotism on the streets of Russia”.
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Meanwhile Beth Rigby makes BlowJob look stupid and blustering yet again - chunks of her interview with him re-used on PM, the full gubbins will be somewhere on Sky - how he must hate being made to look stupid by tenacious female interviewers.
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John Major is opposed to democracy says Zac Goldsmith, who lost three elections in the space of four years and was then rewarded with a seat for life in the House Of Lords.
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John Major is opposed to democracy says Zac Goldsmith, who lost three elections in the space of four years and was then rewarded with a seat for life in the House Of Lords.
Zac Goldsmith who ran a complete and utter racist campaign for London Mayor?

Zac Goldsmith who was bumped up to the Lords for being a mate of BlowJob's after he lost his seat?

Zac Goldsmith whose father used his very large piles of cash to try to stifle public debate and any examination of his unelected and unaccountable attempts to influence democratic processes?

That Zac Goldsmith?
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Being reported that Cressida Dick will step down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-60340525
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Being reported that Cressida Dick will step down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-60340525
Beat me to it
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Beat me to it
Early bird etc.
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Early bird etc.
Oh dear
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So Saddiq Khan tells her she has to produce a plan rather than just have yet another enquiry and Cressida Dick resigns? Guess having to actually take real action was just too much for her and it turns out cozying up to BoJo couldn't protect her.
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So Saddiq Khan tells her she has to produce a plan rather than just have yet another enquiry and Cressida Dick resigns? Guess having to actually take real action was just too much for her and it turns out cozying up to BoJo couldn't protect her.
Like with Donald Trump, loyalty is a one-way street. As soon as she started looking into "Partygate" the Tories were done with her.
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I'm waiting for the moment Rees-Mogg goes on Newsnight to explain that it's quite usual for a prime minister to run the country from a prison cell.
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I'm waiting for the moment Rees-Mogg goes on Newsnight to explain that it's quite usual for a prime minister to run the country from a prison cell.
Hey, you can do it in Monopoly.
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Hey, you can do it in Monopoly.
Johnson certainly thinks he has a Get Out Of Jail Free card, maybe someone gave him a copy of the Monopoly Rules & told him it was Erskine-May?
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Boris Johnson will appoint his own private lawyer if he receives a questionnaire from the police over alleged breaches of lockdown rules

The lawyer will focus on his ‘unique’ legal situation - that No 10 is both his home and workplace

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/73633...0-c48a9935f856

As parties were against the law both at home and at work, does he get fined twice?
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'Unique'? How is it unique? Millions of people have been working from home, and managed to not have a party while doing it.

Even if you could argue that his situation is unique - that his home is also the workplace of lots of other people; which I think is stretching it - his home is really the upstairs flat, not the whole building complex; surely you would want to me MORE careful about social distancing and mixing, not LESS careful.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris Johnson will appoint his own private lawyer if he receives a questionnaire from the police over alleged breaches of lockdown rules

The lawyer will focus on his ‘unique’ legal situation - that No 10 is both his home and workplace

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/73633...0-c48a9935f856

As parties were against the law both at home and at work, does he get fined twice?
...except that he lives at Number 11

I wonder who will pay for this lawyer, will it be the UK public or a Tory donor ? Obviously it won't be Boris Johnson who never pays for anything because he's so poor.
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"Detectives from the Met special enquiry team will start sending letters to those they believe attended parties and events under investigation, believed to include the prime minister.

Once the replies are received, police will write to the criminal records office who formally issue the fixed penalty notices."

Will start ... once replies are received ...

No hurry, then. And how will these written accounts be verified? What are the odds that recipients will get into a huddle and come up with a plausible-yet-false story?

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we've reached the "Find me a lawyer that says it's legal' stage of the Johnson government.

Can't wait for the Press Conference next to a sex shop on a trading estate.
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Johnson’s new comms chief just retweeted someone endorsing John Major’s diatribe against his boss, eventually unretweeted it, then changed his bio to tell people to dismiss any further tweets as not being sent by him
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Only the UK could take the old saw about history repeating itself as farce and apply that to Trump's attempts to cling on to power
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris Johnson will appoint his own private lawyer if he receives a questionnaire from the police over alleged breaches of lockdown rules

The lawyer will focus on his ‘unique’ legal situation - that No 10 is both his home and workplace

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/73633...0-c48a9935f856

As parties were against the law both at home and at work, does he get fined twice?
I do hope that it's not going to be one of those radical lefty lawyers who are clogging up the criminal justice system by presenting defences for their clients. That would be unfortunate.
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I do hope that it's not going to be one of those radical lefty lawyers who are clogging up the criminal justice system by presenting defences for their clients. That would be unfortunate.
Might it even be a - shudders - human rights lawyer?

I would laugh a lot. Even more than I already do.
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I do hope that it's not going to be one of those radical lefty lawyers who are clogging up the criminal justice system by presenting defences for their clients. That would be unfortunate.
Nah - they died out after the great reform of 2012.
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'Unique'? How is it unique? Millions of people have been working from home, and managed to not have a party while doing it.

Even if you could argue that his situation is unique - that his home is also the workplace of lots of other people; which I think is stretching it - his home is really the upstairs flat, not the whole building complex; surely you would want to me MORE careful about social distancing and mixing, not LESS careful.
I think it's unique because no-one else charged was stood on live TV explaining the rules. Johnson thinks it's unique because "He's Boris Johnson, King of the World"
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Only the UK could take the old saw about history repeating itself as farce and apply that to Trump's attempts to cling on to power
We're already engaged in "1930's Germany - The Musical Comedy"
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Seems Johnson has received his partygate questionnaire from the Met :

"The Met say the questionnaires ask for an “account and explanation of the recipient’s participation in an event” and have “formal legal status and must be answered truthfully”."

Truthfully.

Haha. Hahahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, stop. My poor aching ribs
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just cast your mind back to 9 weeks ago

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other

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“Let me get this straight,” he said. A sure sign he was about to start lying. There again, breathing is also a sure sign Johnson is about to start lying. He was absolutely furious. But only that the video had been leaked. It would have been far better if its existence had never come to light. But now that it had, he was very, very angry with Naughty Allegra Stratton and her mates for undermining lockdown guidelines by being caught practising their excuses for a hypothetical Christmas party.
Johnson had denied any party had taken place.
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I'm waiting for the moment Rees-Mogg goes on Newsnight to explain that it's quite usual for a prime minister to run the country from a prison cell.
It is in XXXX.
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Only the UK could take the old saw about history repeating itself as farce and apply that to Trump's attempts to cling on to power
This is the country that took the French resistance and the occupation of Europe and turned it into 'Allo, Allo'.

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This is the country that took the French resistance and the occupation of Europe and turned it into 'Allo, Allo'.
Yes, I found that offensive even as a teenager in the 1980s.
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Johnson employing a lawyer to help with the laughable Met questionnaire.
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Old 13th February 2022, 12:15 AM   #40
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Boris Johnson will appoint his own private lawyer if he receives a questionnaire from the police over alleged breaches of lockdown rules

The lawyer will focus on his ‘unique’ legal situation - that No 10 is both his home and workplace

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/73633...0-c48a9935f856

As parties were against the law both at home and at work, does he get fined twice?

The crucial word, as far as Boris is concerned, is not “home” or “workplace”, but “his”. That makes it special.
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