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Old 12th November 2022, 12:45 PM   #561
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The police are dealing with a new statutory law regarding conspiracy to join an illegal protest. Typical for the police, some officers are better at understanding the law than others. There was an arrest of a car load of people where the evidence was climbing gear. This is in Kent, so not much call for rock climbing and they were planning scaling more motorway stanchions. But journalists with camera equipment and ID have the opposite of climbing gear, they have evidence to prove they are not there to commit crime.
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Old 12th November 2022, 12:49 PM   #562
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In other news, this is shocking. A family, whose police officer father committed suicide, have come forward with his mobile phone. It has numerous exchanges between him and other cops in Gwent Police, which are riddled with misogynist hate.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h..._medium=Social

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My brother was a police custody officer in Scotland. We had a negative view of cops as kids as my dad was a cop in Ayrshire in the 60s and boasted about getting confessions from guys they "knew" had done whatever. He was persuaded to join by another cop who talked about how they needed guys like my brother, fair minded, well liked in the town, known to be a big tough guy but never aggressive*. Nice guy, said my brother, who then found it hard to watch said nice cop join a group of cops harrassing a young guy who was obviously autistic. Pack mentality maybe? It can be a strong force.

*At his funeral I actually had a guy from what he called his "frequent flyer club" come and tell me they were always happy to see my brother on duty as they knew there'd be no "slipping on the stairs" style events.
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Old 13th November 2022, 12:51 AM   #564
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
In other news, this is shocking. A family, whose police officer father committed suicide, have come forward with his mobile phone. It has numerous exchanges between him and other cops in Gwent Police, which are riddled with misogynist hate.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h..._medium=Social

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Old 13th November 2022, 02:16 AM   #565
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For those stopped by a paywall, here's a brief digest of what the article says:

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WhatsApp and Facebook messages show Gwent police officers openly discussing the sexual harassment of junior female colleagues; racist, homophobic and misogynistic abuse; the leaking of sensitive police material; and corruption.

<snip>

In 2018 and 2019 Officer A sent a number of racist images to Jones, mostly about Muslim women. A picture of Grenfell Tower on fire is titled “The Great Muslim Bakeoff”. In May 2019 Officer A sent Jones a racist image about the new royal baby.

In another exchange, on Facebook Messenger, Jones is discussing a possible divorce. Officer A offered him help in carrying out a possible fraud, saying he had done the same in the past for a Gwent police chief.

<snip>

In November 2018 at a misconduct hearing female officers gave evidence of domineering, controlling and physically abusive behaviour by Joslyn, then aged 46.

He resigned from the police before the hearing was completed, but the panel determined that he would have been dismissed.

Six months before the hearing, Joslyn had messaged Jones saying he was aware of an internal report that said as many as ten women had made complaints about his behaviour towards them.

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A former partner reported Joslyn to Gwent police in 2012, and he was issued with a harassment warning — but he was allowed to remain a serving officer, even after breaching the order.

Former police officer Sarah was 20 when she got involved in a relationship with Joslyn. The Sunday Times made contact with her via the Centre for Women’s Justice (CWJ), who had represented her when she successfully sued Gwent police.

In one of the most serious domestic incidents, Sarah was having a bath while he cooked dinner. But he became angry saying she allowed the food to go cold. “He was shouting at me,” she said. “He’d been cutting potatoes for dinner and he was still holding the knife. He held me up against the wall and he had the knife at my shoulder.”

<snip>

In another case, ex-Gwent officer Rachel, who The Sunday Times contacted with the help of another officer, said that women who spoke out against senior officers were “dismissed to keep them quiet”.

“It left me suicidal,” she said. “I was pretty much bankrupt, I was left homeless and sofa-surfing with my child. I lost my car, I lost everything. It’s like an old school boys’ club. They keep everything in-house. It’s just quite toxic, and it’s a small force, so they manage to hide things really well.”

<snip> [follows reams of domestic abuse behaviour by Jones. Jones committed suicide]

Jones’s family have made arrangements to hand over his phone to Wiltshire Police and have asked them to investigate the messages found between Jones and the serving and retired officers, as well as how the family were treated by Gwent following his death.

<snip> For Sharon and her three daughters, their view of the police has changed for ever. They say the contents of Jones’s phone have made them afraid of the police. Sharon is concerned about the many more women around the UK being abused in a relationship by a police officer. “Where do these women go to be heard?” she asked.
Follows usual disclaimers from police saying they treat such incidents seriously.

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Old 13th November 2022, 02:38 PM   #566
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Not paywalled article on the BBC about the subject:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63616908
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Gwent Police is being investigated after "abhorrent" messages between serving and retired officers emerged, Chief Constable Pam Kelly confirmed.

It comes after the Sunday Times reported on a culture of misogyny, corruption and racism in the force.

Ms Kelly said the content "paints a picture of a toxic culture" but did not "represent the majority of our force".

All MPs within the the force area will meet with Ms Kelly and the Police and Crime Commissioner on Monday.
At this point they should probably launch probes into all the UK police forces, because I'm pretty sure if nothing has come out about them its only because they've been better at hiding it.
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Old 16th November 2022, 04:24 AM   #567
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Old 16th November 2022, 04:46 AM   #568
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Not paywalled article on the BBC about the subject:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63616908


At this point they should probably launch probes into all the UK police forces, because I'm pretty sure if nothing has come out about them its only because they've been better at hiding it.
The thing is we have known about this "officially" since the Macpherson report (albeit that "only" dealt with the racism and incompetent leadership aspects). We have had a generation worth of new officers since then and it is very apparent that nothing changed at the core of the police force, the bad apples have been spoiling any good apples added into the barrel.

We need a radical approach to the inherent issues in our police forces, we need the disciplinary processes to be drastically overhauled, we need recruitment overhauled. To put it simply we need new police forces that start with no bad apples and when the "one bad apple" does pop up it is dealt with immediately so it can't spoil the good apples.
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And another stellar display of policing:

Solihull murders: Police 'failed and let down' women says ex-watchdog

If our PM is so concerned for his daughter and the threat of crime maybe he should start with doing something about the inept/misogynistic Police forces that constantly let women (and others) down?
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Old 25th November 2022, 09:29 AM   #570
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A cop who worked with the police officer who murdered Sarah Everard has now been charged with

27 counts of rape
9 sexual assaults
5 assaults by penetration
3 counts of coercive behaviour
3 counts of false imprisonment
2 counts of attempt rape
1 attempt assault by penetration
1 count of sexual activity without consent
1 indecent assault
1 firearms possession with intent to cause fear

https://twitter.com/Fhamiltontimes/s...30806895026176
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Old 25th November 2022, 10:41 AM   #571
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Just one more bad apple….

I am sure there are once again “lessons to be learned”, sadly I suspect that lesson will be that they should always delete their WhatsApp messages after a shift.
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Old 27th November 2022, 05:17 AM   #572
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The Sunday Times has followed up the Ricky Jones case (the South Wales cop who domestically abused his wife and kids, and was found to have shared horrendous amounts of WhatsApp messages that breached decency). Now his former firearms trainer, Alyson Cox has added her 2p worth:

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She applied for a permanent role as a civilian instructor in August 2020, but was turned down for one of four posts. She was told the four men who applied were better candidates, despite her 30 years of experience as a firearms officer and instructor.

“I believe I was passed-over for a position because I was a woman and not part of the club — this was despite being extremely well-qualified for the role,” Cox said.

“Looking at the content on Jones’s phone, I think it has got worse since I joined,” she said. “I think it has gone backwards. When I was a police officer, [with] some of the things you deal with there is a dark sense of humour because you have to process what you have seen.

“But I don’t ever recall using anything offensive or racist. I used to travel around in a van — the one woman firearms officer with six or seven big blokes, all with guns, going out to jobs. I happened to be a very good shot, so nobody could say anything about my ability with a firearm.”

<snip>

Jones’s mobile phone shows serving and retired officers swapping WhatsApp messages calling Asian people “slopes”, homophobic language such as “PC closet” and “poofs”, and discussing “sex pest” male police officers who target junior female colleagues.

<snip>

Josie (not her real name) was assaulted during a team social event by her sergeant, whom we are calling Officer H.

She had previously been propositioned by another senior officer during her training, who asked her to perform oral sex on a mattress in the back of a police van. She reported this incident to Officer H but it was taken no further. He subsequently assaulted her.

After reporting Officer H’s alleged assault, Josie found herself under investigation for 19 allegations relating to her conduct, three of which were found to be proved against her at a disciplinary hearing. Last week she described those allegations as “spurious”.

As part of its inquiry into Josie, Gwent police sent a questionnaire to her colleagues asking for their views on her capability. Questions included: “Have you had any concerns about [Josie’s] professional integrity?,” “Are you aware of other members of your team having any issues with [Josie]?”, and “Has [Josie] ever told you anything that you know not to be true?”

Gwent police said the questionnaire was standard practice for such an inquiry. But Josie described it as a “fishing exercise”. Officer H’s conduct hearing never took place.

<snip>

Gwent police told her the allegation was passed to Scotland Yard because the alleged incident took place in London. She was told by Gwent police that no further action would be taken. She has since discovered that the Metropolitan Police have no record of the allegation.
SUNDAY TIMES

Follows usual disclaimers from police saying they take all of this stuff very seriously.
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Old 27th November 2022, 05:23 AM   #573
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There is also an exposť about institutionalised racism and sexism in the London Fire Brigade (no point in starting a separate thread as it is closely linked to the above as a one off) and now senior staff in the NHS are also demanding investigations.

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From Monday, scores of “stomach-turning” allegations will be handed over to an independent body, and historical cases going back five years combed over again.

After we revealed the contents of the 88-page report, the lawyer who conducted the investigation of the brigade was contacted by staff from across the public sector sharing their experiences and asking for help. Stories shared as part of the review included a black firefighter discovering a noose left above his locker and women finding urine in their helmets and semen on tunics.

Nazir Afzal, a former chief prosecutor in the Rochdale grooming case, said he had received messages from women and ethnic-minority staff at the BBC, the NHS and many police forces.
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Here we go again - https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022...d-outside-home

Note that one of the officers involved was also involved in a racist on-line chat group and was dismissed by the Met, but the Met still claims that stopping 2 black lads outside their own home, one in a car presumably registered to that address, had nothing to do with skin colour and racist officers.

These unfortunate coincidences are just everywhere...
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And this is where politicians do need to get involved. We should not let a senior police officer get away with this type of mealy mouth lie and we should not let the police get away with being able to make deals without accepting liability.
The Met deputy assistant commissioner, Bas Javid, said: “One of the three officers involved was dismissed over an unrelated matter in June 2022. His statement could no longer be relied upon. Following this, we took the decision to settle the claim without admission of liability. Based on the accounts of the two other officers, we did not accept the men were stopped and searched because of the colour of their skin.”
"was dismissed over an unrelated matter" This complaint was about treatment due to race, that one of the police officers was so racist that he was sacked is of course not "unrelated" to the complaint.

"Based on the accounts of the two other officers", we did not accept the men were stopped and searched because of the colour of their skin"

Yet the police have given no reason why they were treated as they were. We know the police lied about the initial reasons - seeing drug paraphernalia - since there was no such items. We know that at least one of the officers involved was a rabid racist, how they get away with accepting no liability is wrong. And now if they tried to discipline the other two officers the officers will be able to point out that the Met said there was no liability i.e. the officers did nothing wrong. This is one of the reasons why bad apples aren't removed, because the police force itself is not held accountable.
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Oh dear, who will guard the guards. https://news.sky.com/story/police-wa...ation-12761213
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Oh dear, who will guard the guards. https://news.sky.com/story/police-wa...ation-12761213
The head of the IOPC Michael Lockwood, whose past is a career in local government, not the police, states that he is resigning due to personal reasons. The next day the Home Secretary reveals that is a lie and that he is resigning as alternative to suspension due to a misconduct allegation.

Now we know that those at the top of the IOPC are corrupt as they will try to hide misconduct.
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The head of the IOPC Michael Lockwood, whose past is a career in local government, not the police, states that he is resigning due to personal reasons. The next day the Home Secretary reveals that is a lie and that he is resigning as alternative to suspension due to a misconduct allegation.

Now we know that those at the top of the IOPC are corrupt as they will try to hide misconduct.
Seems this 63-year-old man, Lockwood, is suspected of having an inappropriate relationship with a child aged 14 or 15.


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The head of the police watchdog who resigned after a historical allegation is accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a child aged 14 or 15.

The claim against Michael Lockwood, 63, director-general of the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), is understood to be sexual in nature, regarding alleged behaviour when he was in his 20s and living in Humberside.

A police source said that he had been under investigation for months but the IOPC, whose job it is to examine police misconduct, was informed only last week. It is understood a file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service, which will now make a decision on whether to charge him.
Sunday Times

The head of the I.O.P.C.

There is something darkly ironic about this.
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