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Old 16th November 2022, 09:35 AM   #721
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
The claims made in The Independent seemed to align with those from the student paper. Not that I expect you to address any of them, but it might be fun for a change.
1st: The claims made by the Independent and the Gettysburgian are at odds with Stout's sources. Yet you can't understand the need to vet your sources.

2nd:State your claims, and I'll address them.

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Old 16th November 2022, 06:00 PM   #722
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The stories in both The Daily Mail and The Independant were pretty much the same with the big takeaway being there's racist sexist fascist cisphobic scum haunting the sewers of Gettysburg College.

Sure, whining about the source may work as a coping method when comforted with distressing information and serve as a way to push that information away, like you did with the vegetables on your plate when you were a child.

Plus the Daily Mail had pictures of drag queens and everybody loves pictures of drag queens, right?
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The benefit of an opposition press is they will report facts that the mainstream press ignores.
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
2nd:State your claims, and I'll address them.
Here you go:
Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Personally, I don't think the faculty or administration ought to have intervened in this instance unless there were already clear policies in place outlining what sorts of speech will not be tolerated, which does not appear to have been the case here.
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The general argument here seems to be that unless one is putting one self in danger and is risking violence or death when he/she backs a cause, it is all just "wokeness". Lucky you guys are not living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or even India. Terll me, are those people in Iran facing possibly death for refusing to cow down to religious fundamentalism (after all, how much trouble is putting on a hijab?) "woke"?
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Old 17th November 2022, 06:28 AM   #726
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Here you go:
That's a whole bunch of weasel words all mushed together. Do you have an actual claim?
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Old 17th November 2022, 06:33 AM   #727
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The benefit of an opposition press is they will report facts that the mainstream press ignores.
And the worldwide coverage of a tiny private college taking down a couple of posters a student put up to invite others to draw with them was a benefit for...who? The conservative who graduated from that college but no longer attends and didn't see the poster in question in person that got to be interviewed?

Have any of you ever been near a college before? Students put up and have posters taken down all the time, and have since students could easily make posters. This isn't news, and the pathetic attempts by the right wing media to make it a controversy (as well as the gullible marks who eat that up and then spread it more themselves) are...well, typical for the right wing media and their consumers.
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
That's a whole bunch of weasel words all mushed together.
If that's all you're seeing, there isn't anything more I can do to help. I've stated my position on the cancellation of the (racist & sexist) artistic workshop; we've yet to hear yours.
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Old 18th November 2022, 05:32 AM   #729
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When the source of the story is known for fabrication and misleading slants, addressing the source of the story is a good idea. Well, if you want to play a gullible rube on the net, then it's probably better for you to swallow the story whole without considering the source at all.
Indeed, especially given how often our resident "conservatives", "free speech advocates" and "anti-woke activists" have fallen for outright faked stories.

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Had you read your link and Stout's link, you would have swiftly come to the conclusion that the source of the story matters greatly to the accuracy of claims made. The fact that you're still feigning confusion about the source of a story mattering demonstrates that you have not actually read the links. As usual.
Nah, that'd be too much like work, rather than puerile point-scoring against "liberals".
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The stories in both The Daily Mail and The Independant [sic]were pretty much the same with the big takeaway being there's racist sexist fascist cisphobic scum haunting the sewers of Gettysburg College.
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Old 18th November 2022, 06:16 AM   #731
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
If that's all you're seeing, there isn't anything more I can do to help. I've stated my position on the cancellation of the (racist & sexist) artistic workshop; we've yet to hear yours.
Your position is that you don't think...unless...which doesn't appear...

That's not saying anything, that's mealymouthed weasel words.
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Old 20th November 2022, 01:56 PM   #732
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If that's all you're seeing, there isn't anything more I can do to help.
Well, you won't be able to help me either.
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Because USAian style economics and its supporting political theory is based on a sociopathic disdain for others.
Well, we have removed all doubts you just plain do not like Americans.
I have noted the a vast majority of people who use USAian do not like Americans very much.
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And the worldwide coverage of a tiny private college taking down a couple of posters a student put up to invite others to draw with them was a benefit for...who? The conservative who graduated from that college but no longer attends and didn't see the poster in question in person that got to be interviewed?

Have any of you ever been near a college before? Students put up and have posters taken down all the time, and have since students could easily make posters. This isn't news, and the pathetic attempts by the right wing media to make it a controversy (as well as the gullible marks who eat that up and then spread it more themselves) are...well, typical for the right wing media and their consumers.
I suggest that this was Gettysburg college had something to do with the attention.
The college was fought over in the battle of Gettysburg and was used by both sides as headquarters. It;s part of the standard tour of the battlefield, and some of the older buildings still have bullet holes from the battle.
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Old 20th November 2022, 05:23 PM   #735
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Well, we have removed all doubts you just plain do not like Americans.
I have noted the a vast majority of people who use USAian do not like Americans very much.
To be fair, I don't much like "America" but I am OK with most Americans I have met.
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Well, we have removed all doubts you just plain do not like Americans.
I have noted the a vast majority of people who use USAian do not like Americans very much.
We used to have a poster who got very angry whenever anyone used that term. As a result and out of respect for their wishes I stopped using it.

I guess that's "woke" now too.
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Well, we have removed all doubts you just plain do not like Americans.
I have noted the a vast majority of people who use USAian do not like Americans very much.
Eh, I'm an American and I use USAian. The post you quoted removed all doubts that they don't like our economic system, but our economic system =/= our country.

I've worked with enough people who got sick (cancer), couldn't continue to work due to that sickness, then lost their job and because of that their insurance/ability to pay for medical care to survive that sickness, that I agree a large part of our economy is sociopathic disdain for others.
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Eh, I'm an American and I use USAian. The post you quoted removed all doubts that they don't like our economic system, but our economic system =/= our country.

I've worked with enough people who got sick (cancer), couldn't continue to work due to that sickness, then lost their job and because of that their insurance/ability to pay for medical care to survive that sickness, that I agree a large part of our economy is sociopathic disdain for others.
Yup, that's my chief problem with America - or more with Republican influenced side of America

- The utter disregard for the oppressed and downtrodden
- The systemic racism
- The interest only in tax-cuts for rich donors at the expense of the poor
- The frenetic appointment right-wing judges to keep power when in opposition
- Guns

The you have scumbag senators like Rick Scott who wants all Healthcare and Social Welfare legislation to sunset five years after it is passed, so that when Democrats pass such legislation while they are in power, Republicans don't even have to argue to overturn it when they get power, they can just let it all lapse and thereby avoid having to deal with all those pesky obstacles like the courts and people's constitutional rights.
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OMG!...England!. Didn't you learn anything when that guy got reported for singing Kung Fu Fighting?

'Cultural insensitivity' is the Wishy Washy reason that charity Aladdin panto got the Chop Chop

I suppose these cast members should consider themselves lucky their rehearsals didn't get taken out by a SWAT team.
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OMG!...England!. Didn't you learn anything when that guy got reported for singing Kung Fu Fighting?

'Cultural insensitivity' is the Wishy Washy reason that charity Aladdin panto got the Chop Chop

I suppose these cast members should consider themselves lucky their rehearsals didn't get taken out by a SWAT team.
It will be Punch and Judy next...
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It will be Punch and Judy next...
Domestic violence in a children's puppet show? Yeah, people have raised eyebrows at that, but it's generally regarded as harmless fun, mostly since it is obviously a puppet show and doesn't pretend to be anything else. You can still see Punch and Judy shows in a lot of countries, and it still follows the same basic plot - Judy asks Punch to look after the baby, he fails at this duty, they get into a fight, a policeman comes, Punch murders the policeman, Punch murders pretty much everyone else. Harmless fun.
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Well, we have removed all doubts you just plain do not like Americans.
I have noted the a vast majority of people who use USAian do not like Americans very much.
Oh good grief, you really are reading [b]your[b] prejudices into my comment.
I made no mention of Americans, you read that into my comment on the US economic system.
Do you dispute that USAian capitalism cares nothing for human beings?
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Eh, I'm an American and I use USAian. The post you quoted removed all doubts that they don't like our economic system, but our economic system =/= our country.

I've worked with enough people who got sick (cancer), couldn't continue to work due to that sickness, then lost their job and because of that their insurance/ability to pay for medical care to survive that sickness, that I agree a large part of our economy is sociopathic disdain for others.
Eactly. So many people here seem to have developed telepathy....
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OMG!...England!. Didn't you learn anything when that guy got reported for singing Kung Fu Fighting?

'Cultural insensitivity' is the Wishy Washy reason that charity Aladdin panto got the Chop Chop

I suppose these cast members should consider themselves lucky their rehearsals didn't get taken out by a SWAT team.
I agree that it's a reach to accuse the panto of cultural insensitivity but it also appears to me that the refusal to "sanitise" the offending names by the cast and producers is piling spite upon spite that only hurts the charities involved and local panto fans.

One group may well be classed as woke, the other seem to be asleep.
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I agree that it's a reach to accuse the panto of cultural insensitivity but it also appears to me that the refusal to "sanitise" the offending names by the cast and producers is piling spite upon spite that only hurts the charities involved and local panto fans.

One group may well be classed as woke, the other seem to be asleep.
One would think it would be a simple thing to change the name of a couple of characters then carry on however I suspect there's more going on that the article reveals.

If I had to guess, the committee employed some sort of sensitivity reader who delivered a wholesale condemnation of the script (e.g., actors portraying characters outside their race) and rather than risk having the cast transported to Australia they decided the best course of action was to kowtow to the woke complainers and scrub the whole production.
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That's not saying anything, that's mealymouthed weasel words.
Once again, you've failed to state your own position.
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One would think it would be a simple thing to change the name of a couple of characters then carry on however I suspect there's more going on that the article reveals.

If I had to guess, the committee employed some sort of sensitivity reader who delivered a wholesale condemnation of the script (e.g., actors portraying characters outside their race) and rather than risk having the cast transported to Australia they decided the best course of action was to kowtow to the woke complainers and scrub the whole production.
Given that men play women, women play men and that panto will have one "Chinese" character played by a non native it would be a car crash of sensitivity issues.

Such pantos with these roles are a traditional staple in the UK at Xmas.
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Given that men play women, women play men and that panto will have one "Chinese" character played by a non native it would be a car crash of sensitivity issues.

Such pantos with these roles are a traditional staple in the UK at Xmas.
Under woke doctrine gender bending is AOK but the race thing could land the cast a visit from The Keystone Cops, which might just make for an interesting and hilarious ending to a pantomime in these censorship happy times.
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Today's episode of hilarity in wokeness once again comes out of England.

Jesus could have been transgender.

When he was hanging around on the cross getting stabbed by a Roman (who were all transgender due to the skirts they wore, probably) spear, the wound in his side looked like a vagina, complete with blood flowing down to his groin.
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Today's episode of hilarity in wokeness once again comes out of England.

Jesus could have been transgender.

When he was hanging around on the cross getting stabbed by a Roman (who were all transgender due to the skirts they wore, probably) spear, the wound in his side looked like a vagina, complete with blood flowing down to his groin.
The best part is, the claim is based on artistic representations from the Rennaissance period. I had to read the article twice, carefully, to confirm that the claimant really was trying to say that these paintings were accurate representations of Jesus, and constituted good evidence for what he really looked like and what his gender identity really might have been.

Really, it's the weird modern habit of attributing current fads and fashions to earlier periods. Like the knee-jerk assumption that every homosocial depiction from antiquity onwards must necessarily be homosexual.
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The best part is, the claim is based on artistic representations from the Rennaissance period. I had to read the article twice, carefully, to confirm that the claimant really was trying to say that these paintings were accurate representations of Jesus, and constituted good evidence for what he really looked like and what his gender identity really might have been.

Really, it's the weird modern habit of attributing current fads and fashions to earlier periods. Like the knee-jerk assumption that every homosocial depiction from antiquity onwards must necessarily be homosexual.
They tie up with the Shroud of Turin so seem very authentic to me!
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So a picture of a bleeding wound makes some observer think of a menstruating vulva. Does this tell you something about the picture, or the observer?
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Once again, you've failed to state your own position.
That's nice, but as this is your boogieman and yet you can't state a position, why should anyone else have to?
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
So a picture of a bleeding wound makes some observer think of a menstruating vulva. Does this tell you something about the picture, or the observer?
Seriously, how hard to you have to torque your interpretation of art to come up with this crap?
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Ron DiSantos's lawyers have defined "woke" in response to the lawsuit challening their "anti-woke" law. They say woke is, "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."

And it absolutely needs to be made illegal for government employees.
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I'd define it as "the ongoing process of uncritically discovering novel systemic injustices, and uncritically endorsing such discoveries proclaimed by others."
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'd define it as "the ongoing process of uncritically discovering novel systemic injustices, and uncritically endorsing such discoveries proclaimed by others."
So by your definition there, you would not be "woke" if you endorsed old, long-standing systemic injustices, nor if you did it critically?
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Ron DiSantos's lawyers have defined "woke" in response to the lawsuit challening their "anti-woke" law. They say woke is, "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."
Here is the source for that quote:

https://twitter.com/elfsternberg/sta...23334642012160
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So by your definition there, you would not be "woke" if you endorsed old, long-standing systemic injustices, nor if you did it critically?
Who said anything about endorsing injustices?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Who said anything about endorsing injustices?
Unless you have suddenly and unexpectedly succumbed to the error of run-on sentences you did:

"discovering novel systemic injustices, and uncritically endorsing such discoveries"

As I said, I presume that statement excludes endorsing injustices that are not novel, and critical evaluation.
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