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Old 25th July 2017, 10:28 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
Weak on civil rights, heartless on immigration, starting absurd war on marijuana, wants more private prisons but no police reform -- horrible choice for AG in the first place.
So really the perfect republican AG.
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Old 25th July 2017, 10:32 AM   #42
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How would Sessions know that he would have to recuse himself from a future investigation into wrongdoings by the Trump campaign?

There are two ways. Either he can see the future, or he knew there were wrongdoings by the campaign connected to him, or the reasonable appearance thereof.
All you have to do is look what happened, it's still not fair to Trump. Sessions ought to do the honorable thing and resign. Have you ever seen an appointed position such as this take such a beating and not resign?
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Old 25th July 2017, 10:32 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I've heard Ted Cruz. To which my first response would be, why would he do it? I mean, how could he pledge loyalty and all that? And then I remember, these guys have no shame at all, and will gladly sell out their wife and father to gain power.

I think you're missing an important element into this type of personality. While it's a human trait, the Republicans and conservatives in the US right now self-select towards it, so there are a higher percentage there than in the general population, in addition to it being more common in politicians that make it to that level anyway.

They're arrogant.

You need to have a certain level to get that far in the first place. Why would these people keep taking positions from a brazen and chronic liar who demands loyalty to himself but displays basically none to the point of being eager to throw even loyal lackeys under the bus for the dumbest reasons? They blame the people thrown under the bus. It won't happen to them because they're better at it or more valuable than those other guys. This is reflected in their overall ideology. They value 'self-reliance' and 'personal responsibility' and 'strength' (in scare quotes for the fact they don't actually identify these traits very well). Something bad happens to you? Try harder, to better, and get out of the way you loser. Even people who should know better think that, for example, if society breaks down they're going to do well even though if you had the knowledge to actually stand a decent chance at making it through you'd be well aware that no one is actually safe in situations like that. They're 'special' and the rules don't apply to them.

That is nowhere near the only consideration, but it is an important one to keep in mind when trying to model their behavior.
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Old 25th July 2017, 10:33 AM   #44
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All you have to do is look what happened, it's still not fair to Trump. Sessions ought to do the honorable thing and resign. Have you ever seen an appointed position such as this take such a beating and not resign?
How is it not fair to Trump?
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
I think you're missing an important element into this type of personality. While it's a human trait, the Republicans and conservatives in the US right now self-select towards it, so there are a higher percentage there than in the general population, in addition to it being more common in politicians that make it to that level anyway.

They're arrogant.

You need to have a certain level to get that far in the first place. Why would these people keep taking positions from a brazen and chronic liar who demands loyalty to himself but displays basically none to the point of being eager to throw even loyal lackeys under the bus for the dumbest reasons? They blame the people thrown under the bus. It won't happen to them because they're better at it or more valuable than those other guys. This is reflected in their overall ideology. They value 'self-reliance' and 'personal responsibility' and 'strength' (in scare quotes for the fact they don't actually identify these traits very well). Something bad happens to you? Try harder, to better, and get out of the way you loser. Even people who should know better think that, for example, if society breaks down they're going to do well even though if you had the knowledge to actually stand a decent chance at making it through you'd be well aware that no one is actually safe in situations like that. They're 'special' and the rules don't apply to them.

That is nowhere near the only consideration, but it is an important one to keep in mind when trying to model their behavior.
Lol
You could say the exact same thing about Hillary and the democrat.
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Old 25th July 2017, 10:35 AM   #46
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Schumer called out Trump's recess appointment plan.
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How is it not fair to Trump?
That he doesn't have an AG that isn't compromised.
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You've missed the update. He also isn't investigating Hillary Clinton.
I read that. That too would be an ethical problem.
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Schumer called out Trump's recess appointment plan.


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Schumer. There is an angry **********!
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Lol
You could say the exact same thing about Hillary and the democrat.
If you reread, you'll note that I did say that.

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That he doesn't have an AG that isn't compromised.
Trump picked him. That's not unfair to Trump.
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That he doesn't have an AG that isn't compromised.
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If you reread, you'll note that I did say that.
Yes, and I'm also saying it

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Trump picked him. That's not unfair to Trump.
That's the whole point, He was picked not knowing. That's why resigning is the honorable thing to do.
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Might It be good that Sessions let Trump know he was going to recuse himself?
NO. AND WHY? Was the President anticipating there being reasons that he would be investigated? The AG may be nominated by POTUS, but his allegiance is to the law and the nation.
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All you have to do is look what happened, it's still not fair to Trump. Sessions ought to do the honourable thing and resign. Have you ever seen an appointed position such as this take such a beating and not resign?
Oh bull. Are you really going to eat this crap sandwich the President is serving up? Not fair to the President? What is he, a child? The honorable thing is for the AG to do his job.
Just ignore the rantings of the lunatic in the White House and uphold the law.
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I can't imagine Sessions openly attacking Trump. However, I can imagine Sessions quietly working with Republicans in Congress to protect his own reputation and political future if Trump were to fire him.

This probably belongs in the conspiracy section but I can also imagine that if Trump fires Sessions and then shuts down the Mueller investigation that Republicans mount an independent Senate investigation with Sessions as the head.

In any case, Trump continues to show his foolishness by working towards making enemies of everyone who won't be a complete and total sycophant.
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Yes, and I'm also saying it

That's the whole point, He was picked not knowing. That's why resigning is the honorable thing to do.
Trump knew he'd recused himself this whole time. He could have fired him at any point before this and been cheered by Democrats for it. But only now, when it turns out he was lying to your face for months about Russian collusion being fake news and you swallowed every word of it, only now does Sessions's recusal matter, because it's apparently an actual recusal and not a false promise, leaving Trump with no way to dispose of Mueller should he get too close.
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I see Sessions as joining a long line of Republican leaders who pretend to support Trump publicly to gain or retain political power, but who internally are seething with anger and resentment due to how Trump has treated them. Frankly I cannot think of many who Trump has not insulted, threatened, or belittled. And as always happens in these situations, these "supporters" are only waiting for the chance for revenge. Just wait until they scent "blood" and perceive Trump as weakened enough to undermine or openly attack. It will be gruesome.
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Now he just has to find someone that is loyal to him, so loyal that they avoided any interactions with his campaign. That should be easy.
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Now he just has to find someone that is loyal to him, so loyal that they avoided any interactions with his campaign. That should be easy.
Plus that person has to be unquestionably loyal to Trump despite knowing that it will not be reciprocal and Trump will publically humiliate them, and/or dump them, whenever he wants. And they will be immediately placed in the no win situation of either blocking the special prosecutor's probe or angering Trump. Yep- it should be easy!
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I see Sessions as joining a long line of Republican leaders who pretend to support Trump publicly to gain or retain political power, but who internally are seething with anger and resentment due to how Trump has treated them. Frankly I cannot think of many who Trump has not insulted, threatened, or belittled. And as always happens in these situations, these "supporters" are only waiting for the chance for revenge. Just wait until they scent "blood" and perceive Trump as weakened enough to undermine or openly attack. It will be gruesome.
I agree completely. I think the only true loyalty he has is maybe Ivanka. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she would feed him to the sharks if it would save her.

The $64 dollar question, at what point to Republicans bolt from him?
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I see Sessions as joining a long line of Republican leaders who pretend to support Trump publicly to gain or retain political power, but who internally are seething with anger and resentment due to how Trump has treated them. Frankly I cannot think of many who Trump has not insulted, threatened, or belittled. And as always happens in these situations, these "supporters" are only waiting for the chance for revenge. Just wait until they scent "blood" and perceive Trump as weakened enough to undermine or openly attack. It will be gruesome.
That's a pretty accurate assessment. It will be like the scene at the end of Casino in the desert with Pesci. Trump is reckless in his attacks and insults. No President in history has mistreated the people around him as poorly as Trump has. They will be happy to bury him alive in his underwear in an open pit after taking their whacks with a baseball bat.
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It will be hilarious when Sessions is forced out for perhaps the only right thing he's done. The fact that he's one of the very few truly qualified individuals at the highest levels of the executive branch increases the lulz. Fire him, hellbeast! Like every other joke in this situation, it will be on you.
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So really the perfect republican AG.
From your mouth .....................
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That's a pretty accurate assessment. It will be like the scene at the end of Casino in the desert with Pesci. Trump is reckless in his attacks and insults. No President in history has mistreated the people around him as poorly as Trump has. They will be happy to bury him alive in his underwear in an open pit after taking their whacks with a baseball bat.
I'll vote for that for trumpf!!! Twice at least!!!!!!!!!
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I hope so, too, right after DJT fires him, which can't happen too soon. Weak on civil rights, heartless on immigration, starting absurd war on marijuana, wants more private prisons but no police reform -- horrible choice for AG in the first place.
Don't be silly. Sessions is hostile to civil rights, not weak on them.

Is this what it's like to watch one's two least favorite teams at the Super Bowl? I'm not invested enough into any sport to quite know.
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I agree completely. I think the only true loyalty he has is maybe Ivanka. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she would feed him to the sharks if it would save her.

The $64 dollar question, at what point to Republicans bolt from him?
Why not (the shark's thing) - she certainly has no interest in incesting with him and she is way smarter. Which is why she bears special interest from the security people.
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It will be hilarious when Sessions is forced out for perhaps the only right thing he's done. The fact that he's one of the very few truly qualified individuals at the highest levels of the executive branch increases the lulz. Fire him, hellbeast! Like every other joke in this situation, it will be on you.
I hate Sessions with a passion of a thousand hot suns. I think he is a racist pig. But you are right. He is actually qualified to do his job and Trump is berating him for doing the right thing. I can't imagine the craziness that will occur if Trump fires Sessions and then Mueller.

When Nixon fired AG Elliot Richardson, Deputy AG and William Ruckelshaus and the Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox during the Saturday Night Massacre it came out of the blue. Trump is building up to it.

This would be classic obstruction of justice.
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I found this quite absorbing :

The Three Sessions Succession Scenarios

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Scenario III: The Recess Appointment Elephant in the Room

Of course, if the individual President Trump desires to serve as Sessions’ successor is Senate confirmable, then nothing would stop President Trump from simply nominating the successor and naming someone else as the short-term Acting Attorney General under the Vacancies Reform Act. But on the assumption that the confirmation of a new Attorney General would be conditioned by the Senate upon some promise of non-interference in the Russia investigation, it stands to reason that this option, while legally straightforward, may be off the table politically.

But now we come to the elephant in the room: President Trump’s power to “recess-appoint” Sessions’s successor. Article II, Section 2, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution empowers the President “to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.” And as the Supreme Court concluded three years ago in the Noel Canning case, “the Recess of the Senate” can include just about any formal recess that lasts 10 or more days, whether it’s an “inter-session” or “intra-session” recess. (Noel Canning also holds that the vacancy at issue need not arise during the recess, although both of these holdings were over the nominal dissents of four of the more conservative Justices.)

So if the Senate recesses for 10 days or more in August (which currently appears at least a decent likelihood), President Trump could simply recess appoint whoever he wants to serve as Attorney General until the end of the next Senate session (i.e., January 3, 2019). And that person would have the same authority as a Senate-confirmed Attorney General—which would likely include authority over the Special Counsel and the Russia investigation.
Short-term, but Trump is a short-term character. He lives entirely in himself and in the moment. So if this were a shell-game that's the shell I'd pick, shell 3.
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NO. AND WHY? Was the President anticipating there being reasons that he would be investigated? The AG may be nominated by POTUS, but his allegiance is to the law and the nation.
And this recusel has hurt that allegiance to the law.
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Oh bull. Are you really going to eat this crap sandwich the President is serving up? Not fair to the President? What is he, a child? The honorable thing is for the AG to do his job.
Just ignore the rantings of the lunatic in the White House and uphold the law.
Is it possible to put yourself in the presidents shoes? Would you want your top law enforcement officer having to recuse himself from a mis-deed?
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I can't imagine Sessions openly attacking Trump. However, I can imagine Sessions quietly working with Republicans in Congress to protect his own reputation and political future if Trump were to fire him.
Well sure, because that's an honorable position to take!
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Trump knew he'd recused himself this whole time. He could have fired him at any point before this and been cheered by Democrats for it. But only now, when it turns out he was lying to your face for months about Russian collusion being fake news and you swallowed every word of it, only now does Sessions's recusal matter, because it's apparently an actual recusal and not a false promise, leaving Trump with no way to dispose of Mueller should he get too close.
Agreed! Amazing how the Comey thing went the same way.
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And this recusel has hurt that allegiance to the law.
In his confirmation hearing, Sessions would only say that he would seek legal counsel about conflict of interests if anything about the campaign came up. He did, and he followed their advice. Shame on Trump if he thought cultish loyalty would save him from an investigation.
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In his confirmation hearing, Sessions would only say that he would seek legal counsel about conflict of interests if anything about the campaign came up. He did, and he followed their advice. Shame on Trump if he thought cultish loyalty would save him from an investigation.
It's not about cultish loyalty, it's about being able to do the job unencumbered.
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It's not about cultish loyalty, it's about being able to do the job unencumbered.
It's about doing the job of protecting The Donald unencumbered by ethics.
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And this recusel has hurt that allegiance to the law.
Why? Because you don't like the target of the investigation? I thought so.
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Is it possible to put yourself in the presidents shoes? Would you want your top law enforcement officer having to recuse himself from a mis-deed?
I don't get that. The President is appointing the number one law enforcement officer in the nation. Not a crony that will do his bidding.

Sessions did his job in recusing himself as the DAG did when he appropriately appointed a Special Prosecutor. Trump will have to ride it out. If he didn't do anything, he has no reason to fire anyone.
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Old 25th July 2017, 02:17 PM   #78
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Why? Because you don't like the target of the investigation? I thought so.
Lol shakes head

Actually I think Sessions could have offered much more than Rosenstein. Also I'd like to see many more investigations started with hillary and the previous admin. And Sessions seems to be more like a timid republican.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I hate Sessions with a passion of a thousand hot suns. I think he is a racist pig. But you are right. He is actually qualified to do his job and Trump is berating him for doing the right thing. I can't imagine the craziness that will occur if Trump fires Sessions and then Mueller.
He's definitely the worst. It's not all racism, though. Sessions hates everyone's civil rights; there can be no other reason to push civil asset forfeiture, which has repeatedly proven to be a source of injustice.
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When Nixon fired AG Elliot Richardson, Deputy AG and William Ruckelshaus and the Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox during the Saturday Night Massacre it came out of the blue. Trump is building up to it.

This would be classic obstruction of justice.
The only explanation I can think of is that the beast thinks that the extended build-up to firing Sessions will somehow make the decision seem perfectly reasonable. This is impossible of course, since the current occupant of the Oval Office has made it abundantly clear that it wants Sessions gone because it wants an end to the investigation of its campaign. Even if it smartened up and offered "better" reasons, the obstruction is out of the bag.
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Sessions did his job in recusing himself as the DAG did when he appropriately appointed a Special Prosecutor. Trump will have to ride it out. If he didn't do anything, he has no reason to fire anyone.
That's actually quite awful. There hasn't been a crime, our government is now looking for a crime, I'm truly surprised you're fine with that kind of government overreach. Rosenstein made a huge mistake not giving this investigation parameters. They will find something and it won't have anything to do with this Russian Collusion. Which is why Trump should fire Sessions and Rosenstein so he can put an AG in that will fire Mueller. Its a sham, its a soft coup that is happening now and Trump needs to get some balls and meet them on the political battle field. He's pussy footed around with this long enough. He needs to burn things down at this point, it's outrageous what is going on and it's his own damn fault!

This is what happens when you let the corrupt left get away with whatever they want.
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