Criminal Charges Against Trump - Page 11

JoeMorgue · 12th January 2021, 09:57 AM

Watching the legal quagmire of figuring out how exactly to imprison a former President would be hilarious.

We all get they aren't just going to throw Trump in gen-pop or having him picking up cans by the side of the road, as cathartic as that imagery would be.

Segnosaur · 12th January 2021, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Andrew Torrez of the Opening Arguments Podcast made a slam-dunk argument that Trump broke Georgia Election Law with his phone call.
If Kemp doesn't pardon Trump, a prosecutor would get to have Trump send to jail for no less than one year.

I guess the question is... would the prosecutors bother.

Despite the recent Democratic success, Georgia still has a large republican influence, and the Georgia Attorney General is a republican. I can see him declining to prosecute Trump for partisan reasons.

JoeMorgue · 12th January 2021, 10:03 AM

Yeah if we're gonna play cynical, political MoneyBall do it in California or New York, a state you know you are going to keep. Don't do it in a swing state.

Segnosaur · 12th January 2021, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Quote:

The Secret Service in protecting a former President (or anyone else) acts "Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security" (18 USC 3056(a)). If there is any question, they do what the Secretary of Homeland Security says. And, if it was even questioned, the Secretary will order the Secret Service to allow a lawful arrest.

And who decides when their isn't one of those. There isn't one "now", right? "now" in quotes because I don't know the details of when his resignation is effective.

I think there's always one. Even if the current secretary resigns, some underling becomes "acting" (or at least ends up with their current authority.)

Of course, it is pretty irrelevant... even if things are fast-tracked, Trump wouldn't be charged until after he is out of office, giving more than enough time for Biden to get a new Sec. of Homeland Security approved.

johnny karate · 12th January 2021, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Watching the legal quagmire of figuring out how exactly to imprison a former President would be hilarious.

We all get they aren't just going to throw Trump in gen-pop or having him picking up cans by the side of the road, as cathartic as that imagery would be.

The thing I always think about when I imagine Trump going to prison is what would happen with his hair. Would he still have access to the physics-defying mechanisms and witchcraft that keep whatever that thing on his head is supposed to be in place?

The Great Zaganza · 12th January 2021, 11:12 AM

Trump should absolutely keep is Secret Service Detail, but with one slight modification.

Any citizens can go up to Trump, and the Agents will hold his arms while you get to kick him in the balls ... once.

dudalb · 12th January 2021, 11:22 AM

He might well have addeed more charges of Incitement to Riot with his speech today.

RecoveringYuppy · 12th January 2021, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

And who decides when their isn't one of those. There isn't one "now", right? "now" in quotes because I don't know the details of when his resignation is effective.

Here's the name of his replacement:

"In the middle of a national security crisis, Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Pete Gaynor -- whose extensive experience in emergency management has been cited as a benefit -- assumes the role of acting secretary."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...hip/index.html

Resume · 12th January 2021, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

He might well have addeed more charges of Incitement to Riot with his speech today.

But . . . but what if we lose?

Trebuchet · 12th January 2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Trump should absolutely keep is Secret Service Detail, but with one slight modification.

Any citizens can go up to Trump, and the Agents will hold his arms while you get to kick him in the balls ... once.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

As for imprisonment, I'm guessing it would wind up as some sort of house arrest. Let him stay at Mar a Lago in a designated suite. No golf outings. No rallies. Let him pay for the security costs.

Mader Levap · 12th January 2021, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

But . . . but what if we lose?

Let him get away with it or... else!!!

Squeegee Beckenheim · 13th January 2021, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Assumes facts not in evidence.

As for imprisonment, I'm guessing it would wind up as some sort of house arrest. Let him stay at Mar a Lago in a designated suite. No golf outings. No rallies. Let him pay for the security costs.

I've seen it suggested that he would go in one of those wings where people who are old, frail, and/or disabled are kept because they are at risk from the rest of the population. Either that or solitary.

Norman Alexander · 13th January 2021, 05:06 AM

One of the smaller islands in the Rat archipelago of the Aleutians seems more appropriate. No bars, all to himself, all the seagulls he can eat.

alfaniner · 13th January 2021, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

One of the smaller islands in the Rat archipelago of the Aleutians seems more appropriate. No bars, all to himself, all the seagulls he can eat.

Plus, it's close to Russia.

Darat · 15th January 2021, 11:29 AM

The case for the misuse of funds has been expanded: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1787727.html

...... Washington DC attorney general Karl Racine said Mr Trump Jr had been notified of the request, which was sent after new evidence emerged in court filings earlier this week......

Segnosaur · 15th January 2021, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

The case for the misuse of funds has been expanded: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1787727.html

...... Washington DC attorney general Karl Racine said Mr Trump Jr had been notified of the request, which was sent after new evidence emerged in court filings earlier this week......

Note: The 'misuse of funds' was referring to the inauguration funds back in 2016/2017.

Basically they were holding events at Trump hotels, and charging higher-than-market rates. (Which would be a way to move political donations for the inauguration into Trump's pocket.)

DevilsAdvocate · 15th January 2021, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

I've seen it suggested that he would go in one of those wings where people who are old, frail, and/or disabled are kept because they are at risk from the rest of the population. Either that or solitary.

The Fletcher Memorial Home

Skeptic Ginger · 15th January 2021, 07:57 PM

4 days, 17 hours more for Trump to produce those pardons.

Segnosaur · 15th January 2021, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

4 days, 17 hours more for Trump to produce those pardons.

Less than 1/2 scaramuchi.

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Mader Levap · Yesterday, 07:39 AM

IMO there won't be any pardons, at least not for suckers that stormed Capitol.

Paul2 · Yesterday, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Less than 1/2 scaramuchi.

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Counting whole days, it's .363636363636... scaramuchis.

12th January 2021, 09:57 AM	#401
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,748	Watching the legal quagmire of figuring out how exactly to imprison a former President would be hilarious. We all get they aren't just going to throw Trump in gen-pop or having him picking up cans by the side of the road, as cathartic as that imagery would be.
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12th January 2021, 10:00 AM	#402
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 16,783	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Andrew Torrez of the Opening Arguments Podcast made a slam-dunk argument that Trump broke Georgia Election Law with his phone call. If Kemp doesn't pardon Trump, a prosecutor would get to have Trump send to jail for no less than one year. I guess the question is... would the prosecutors bother. Despite the recent Democratic success, Georgia still has a large republican influence, and the Georgia Attorney General is a republican. I can see him declining to prosecute Trump for partisan reasons.
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12th January 2021, 10:03 AM	#403
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,748	Yeah if we're gonna play cynical, political MoneyBall do it in California or New York, a state you know you are going to keep. Don't do it in a swing state.
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12th January 2021, 10:03 AM	#404
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 16,783	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Quote: The Secret Service in protecting a former President (or anyone else) acts "Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security" (18 USC 3056(a)). If there is any question, they do what the Secretary of Homeland Security says. And, if it was even questioned, the Secretary will order the Secret Service to allow a lawful arrest. And who decides when their isn't one of those. There isn't one "now", right? "now" in quotes because I don't know the details of when his resignation is effective. I think there's always one. Even if the current secretary resigns, some underling becomes "acting" (or at least ends up with their current authority.) Of course, it is pretty irrelevant... even if things are fast-tracked, Trump wouldn't be charged until after he is out of office, giving more than enough time for Biden to get a new Sec. of Homeland Security approved.
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12th January 2021, 11:12 AM	#406
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,276	Trump should absolutely keep is Secret Service Detail, but with one slight modification. Any citizens can go up to Trump, and the Agents will hold his arms while you get to kick him in the balls ... once.
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12th January 2021, 10:13 AM	#405
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,135	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Watching the legal quagmire of figuring out how exactly to imprison a former President would be hilarious. We all get they aren't just going to throw Trump in gen-pop or having him picking up cans by the side of the road, as cathartic as that imagery would be. The thing I always think about when I imagine Trump going to prison is what would happen with his hair. Would he still have access to the physics-defying mechanisms and witchcraft that keep whatever that thing on his head is supposed to be in place?

12th January 2021, 11:22 AM	#407
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,851	He might well have addeed more charges of Incitement to Riot with his speech today.
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12th January 2021, 11:36 AM	#408
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,297	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy And who decides when their isn't one of those. There isn't one "now", right? "now" in quotes because I don't know the details of when his resignation is effective. Here's the name of his replacement: "In the middle of a national security crisis, Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Pete Gaynor -- whose extensive experience in emergency management has been cited as a benefit -- assumes the role of acting secretary." https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...hip/index.html

12th January 2021, 11:40 AM	#409
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,617	Originally Posted by dudalb He might well have addeed more charges of Incitement to Riot with his speech today. But . . . but what if we lose?
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12th January 2021, 12:04 PM	#410
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,568	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Trump should absolutely keep is Secret Service Detail, but with one slight modification. Any citizens can go up to Trump, and the Agents will hold his arms while you get to kick him in the balls ... once. Assumes facts not in evidence. As for imprisonment, I'm guessing it would wind up as some sort of house arrest. Let him stay at Mar a Lago in a designated suite. No golf outings. No rallies. Let him pay for the security costs.
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12th January 2021, 02:24 PM	#411
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,486	Originally Posted by Resume But . . . but what if we lose? Let him get away with it or... else!!!
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13th January 2021, 04:20 AM	#412
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30,941	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Assumes facts not in evidence. As for imprisonment, I'm guessing it would wind up as some sort of house arrest. Let him stay at Mar a Lago in a designated suite. No golf outings. No rallies. Let him pay for the security costs. I've seen it suggested that he would go in one of those wings where people who are old, frail, and/or disabled are kept because they are at risk from the rest of the population. Either that or solitary.
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13th January 2021, 05:06 AM	#413
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,428	One of the smaller islands in the Rat archipelago of the Aleutians seems more appropriate. No bars, all to himself, all the seagulls he can eat.
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13th January 2021, 07:31 AM	#414
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 24,529	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander One of the smaller islands in the Rat archipelago of the Aleutians seems more appropriate. No bars, all to himself, all the seagulls he can eat. Plus, it's close to Russia.
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15th January 2021, 11:29 AM	#415
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 95,997	The case for the misuse of funds has been expanded: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1787727.html ...... Washington DC attorney general Karl Racine said Mr Trump Jr had been notified of the request, which was sent after new evidence emerged in court filings earlier this week......
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15th January 2021, 12:36 PM	#416
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 16,783	Originally Posted by Darat The case for the misuse of funds has been expanded: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1787727.html ...... Washington DC attorney general Karl Racine said Mr Trump Jr had been notified of the request, which was sent after new evidence emerged in court filings earlier this week...... Note: The 'misuse of funds' was referring to the inauguration funds back in 2016/2017. Basically they were holding events at Trump hotels, and charging higher-than-market rates. (Which would be a way to move political donations for the inauguration into Trump's pocket.)
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15th January 2021, 07:40 PM	#417
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,233	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim I've seen it suggested that he would go in one of those wings where people who are old, frail, and/or disabled are kept because they are at risk from the rest of the population. Either that or solitary. The Fletcher Memorial Home
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15th January 2021, 07:57 PM	#418
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,685	4 days, 17 hours more for Trump to produce those pardons.
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15th January 2021, 08:05 PM	#419
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 16,783	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger 4 days, 17 hours more for Trump to produce those pardons. Less than 1/2 scaramuchi. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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Yesterday, 07:39 AM	#420
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,486	IMO there won't be any pardons, at least not for suckers that stormed Capitol.
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Yesterday, 10:56 AM	#421
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,439	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Less than 1/2 scaramuchi. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk Counting whole days, it's .363636363636... scaramuchis.
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