Maybe Trump will not be such a terrible president. - Page 3

fuelair · 9th November 2016, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Caper

I also think there is a good chance he gets assassinated. I thought the same thing about Obama too.

In this case it won't bother me at all. There is more that would not bother me, but we will just let it lay there.

lionking · 9th November 2016, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Navigator

Such expression is reminiscent of truthers.
Time will tell.

I'm reminiscent of a truther because I point out truths about Trump?

Whatever. What parts of ignorant, sexist, racist and bully are not true?

Indeed, people who deny these characteristics of Trump are far closer to truthers than me.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Because it's deserved. There has never been a more ludicrous president than Trump. Are you really comparing him to Obama?

No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

In this case it won't bother me at all. There is more that would not bother me, but we will just let it lay there.

Wow. If someone had said it wouldn't bother them if Obama got assassinated, would you have considered that acceptable, regardless of how much they disliked the guy?

imodium · 9th November 2016, 05:52 PM

maybe trump will be a good president, depends on what you expect.

his policies to scrap medicare, build a wall, mass deportations, imprison his opponent and ban a religion is what his fans demanded.

the economic policy of lumping on around 5 trillion debt should be fun to watch for those of us outside.

fuelair · 9th November 2016, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by wombatwal

What is going to happen in the U.S.A. when Trump can't, Build the wall, Bring industry back, get jobs to the jobless, raise the minimum wage so that the people that voted for him can live, stop Muslims, stop Latinos, gaol Hiliary, clean out the sewer that is Washington DC (Trumps words as best I can remember), impose 45% import tax on Chinese goods, drop NATO, drop South Korea and Japan, Nuke Middle East or any other area he and his deplorables do not agree with.
I am sure there are many others.

Hopefully they will turn on him, march on and destroy much of downtown DC (except the Library of Congress; the Smithsonian and the very new National Museum of African American History & Culture) and be killed by the military after they have mostly accomplished their goal re: Trump's lies to them. They richly deserve that!!!!!!!

lionking · 9th November 2016, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions.

Are predictions not allowed?

Tell you what, if the Trump administration is all sweetness and light, come back and tell me how tasteless I have been. In the meantime I'm judging the man on his character and so-called policies. The US and the world will suffer, and I will keep on stating this.

Tell me what do you think of the upcoming trade war with China and repudiation of greenhouse gas abatement? Good policies?

I, along with countless others think no. What about you?

No, I will not give this idiot any slack. Vitriol it is.

fuelair · 9th November 2016, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama.

For a perfectly good reason.

Shadowdweller · 9th November 2016, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by BStrong

If anyone wants to burn me at the stake for voting third party have at it, but I could no more vote for Clinton or Trump than grow wings and fly.

Crucify! A lot of the 3rd party vote in this election would never have voted Clinton. And probably would not have made enough of a difference anyway. Nader gets flack for 2000 because much of his constituency WOULD have voted Gore, and because that race was much tighter.

Perhaps the question regarding the ACA is not what Trump is going to do (or try to do) to it. But what we're going to replace it with - and how - when it comes time to remove Trump and the damage the next two years are going to cause.

SpitfireIX · 9th November 2016, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

From a purely selfish PoV, with no consideration to the greater issue, I really wish they'd just leave it alone. ACA isn't exactly great, but I don't care. Let the dust settle please. It's been an immense amount of work in my field, and for me personally, figuring out how to do business in this new marketplace. It's been an immense amount of capital investment. Is it too much to ask that we quit screwing around with it for a few more years? Give it a chance to see if it's working or not before we go messing with it?

From a purely selfish PoV, my base premium is going up 35% next year; my actual monthly payment will go from $375 to $535, assuming my income doesn't change. Plus my deductible and copays are going up significantly. Further, the insurance I used to have was canceled because the plan wasn't Obamacare compliant. Finally, two years ago I was hospitalized, for the first time in more than 20 years, and my out-of-pocket expenses were about twice what they would have been if I'd had my old insurance.

Belz... · 9th November 2016, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

I must have misread your post. I thought you were expressing that you believed it should be repealed.

I was simply expressing the wishes of the party soon-to-be in power. The benefits of the ACA are irrelevant; all they want is to repeal it because reasons.

Belz... · 9th November 2016, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Says the guy with the single payer health care.

You have no idea how utterly ridiculous your medical system looks to anybody outside the US.

jaydeehess · 9th November 2016, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

He used to be a Democrat, the Republican establishment fought against him, and just because he draws the racist vote doesn't mean he will be a racist president.

He may turn out to be a centrist who can get things done.

Well, given there is nothing that can be done other than wait and see, it's good to have hope.

Hope and change,,,,, I've heard that somewhere before......

theprestige · 9th November 2016, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Immigration and Terrorism was most important so they voted for the guy who wants to build a useless wall, violate the constitution by imposing a religious standard for immigrants and thinks he knows more than the generals do?

They voted for him over the gal who didn't understand their concern and didn't even try to convince them that she would do a better job of addressing it.

Maybe they voted for him not because they thought he'd actually fix it, but because they were convinced she would only make it worse. This is probably only a little bit about Trump's actual platform, and a lot about flipping a giant middle finger at Hillary the Progressive Statesman.

I can't imagine a clearer message of Do Not Want than to choose Trump instead of whatever you imagine people should want. Has it not occurred to you that this strategy of telling people that they should shut up, sit down, and let the elites do all their deciding for them, is not such a great strategy?

Has it ever occurred to you that showing sincere empathy for the people you're supposedly trying to help might build more trust with them than constant vilification and disdain?

"But Trump doesn't have a sincere bone in his body!" you say. "Trump is utterly incapable of empathy!" you say. And sure. You're right, of course. But what you comically, willfully, tragically, pathetically fail to understand is that the people who voted for Trump think you're no different from him. You've worked very hard to alienate half the country. Don't act so surprised that half the country treats you like an alien invasion.

wareyin · 10th November 2016, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Maybe they voted for him not because they thought he'd actually fix it, but because they were convinced she would only make it worse. This is probably only a little bit about Trump's actual platform, and a lot about flipping a giant middle finger at Hillary the Progressive Statesman.

Judging by the Facebook memes, the fact that a minority of voters voted for Trump does look like it was all about flipping a giant middle finger not just at Clinton, but at the Republican establishment as well. I've seen a lot of posts claiming that when the establishment, R and D both, don't like you, it means you are for the people.

Originally Posted by theprestige

I can't imagine a clearer message of Do Not Want than to choose Trump instead of whatever you imagine people should want. Has it not occurred to you that this strategy of telling people that they should shut up, sit down, and let the elites do all their deciding for them, is not such a great strategy?

Indeed, letting people who know what they are doing make the decisions is a terrible strategy! The ignorance of those who are happy to watch the world burn is equal to the knowledge of those who can fix things. Of course, the rubes who think this are constantly spoon-fed this nonsense by the elites at FOX News (among others), but these elites are good because reasons.

Originally Posted by theprestige

Has it ever occurred to you that showing sincere empathy for the people you're supposedly trying to help might build more trust with them than constant vilification and disdain?

"But Trump doesn't have a sincere bone in his body!" you say. "Trump is utterly incapable of empathy!" you say. And sure. You're right, of course. But what you comically, willfully, tragically, pathetically fail to understand is that the people who voted for Trump think you're no different from him. You've worked very hard to alienate half the country. Don't act so surprised that half the country treats you like an alien invasion.

Golly, yeah, it sure wasn't people spreading bs memes about elites spreading "constant vilification and disdain" that made the people voting for Trump think elites are no better than Trump.

NoahFence · 10th November 2016, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions.

The doom and gloom predictions are based on what his stated policies are, not some twisted translation of them. These are based on what he's said.

It seems a fair amount of people voted for him based on them being fully aware that he has no intention of putting forth what he campaigned on?

Am I getting that right?

The Great Zaganza · 10th November 2016, 06:00 AM

What exactly will Trump try to accomplish?

Certainly nothing to solve the real problems of the country today.
More trickle-down won't safe the economy, and neither will reducing healthcare.

Oddly enough, the best things Trump will do is increase defence spending and build the wall, both of which will somewhat increase the economy, though in the most inefficient way possible.

Drewbot · 10th November 2016, 06:02 AM

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, I predict Trump will beat HRC on November 8.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by xjx388

No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration.

Who can say? Those are two of his main policies and he can't just eject them a lot of them sure he said so many things that he can just ignore the inconvient ones, but those are core policies. People are not going to forget them, even trump supporters.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Er, no. He really is a moron.

But a true master of BS.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions.

Those tend to be based on many of his campaign promises. Like how he will destroy news outlets that report facts and the the Trump Truth.

A man too unstable to be trusted by his allies with a twitter account is getting nuclear weapons.

Spindrift · 10th November 2016, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

But a true master of BS.

No, he's not even good at that.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

From a purely selfish PoV, my base premium is going up 35% next year; my actual monthly payment will go from $375 to $535, assuming my income doesn't change. Plus my deductible and copays are going up significantly. Further, the insurance I used to have was canceled because the plan wasn't Obamacare compliant. Finally, two years ago I was hospitalized, for the first time in more than 20 years, and my out-of-pocket expenses were about twice what they would have been if I'd had my old insurance.

What aspect of the old insurance was not compliant? Lifetime maximum?

marplots · 10th November 2016, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, I predict Trump will beat HRC on November 8.

Not a chance. Have you seen the polls?

Belz... · 10th November 2016, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

A man too unstable to be trusted by his allies with a twitter account is getting nuclear weapons.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

No, he's not even good at that.

How else could he be seen by so many as a great success dispite his failures and violations of laws and basic human decency?

Kestrel · 10th November 2016, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

What aspect of the old insurance was not compliant? Lifetime maximum?

The primary reason for existing policies not being ACA compliant was having an annual or lifetime maximum. Grandfathered policies could fall short of most ACA requirements as long as they dropped the payout limits.

CynicalSkeptic · 10th November 2016, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Caper

I also think there is a good chance he gets assassinated. I thought the same thing about Obama too.

Leaving Pence in charge which could be even worse.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Kestrel

The primary reason for existing policies not being ACA compliant was having an annual or lifetime maximum. Grandfathered policies could fall short of most ACA requirements as long as they dropped the payout limits.

Ah so the screwed if you get cancer kind of policies. I am sure those are going to make a comeback.

Belz... · 10th November 2016, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

Leaving Pence in charge which could be even worse.

From what I hear, Pence is Cruz lite, so yeah.

NoahFence · 10th November 2016, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Me neither. This is a total validation of every guy that ever assaulted / abused / harassed a woman (or girl), on every level of the spectrum, from bosses calling female employees “sweety”, to all out rape and domestic assault.

And a total validation of every bully that ever picked on any other kid, for anything, on the playground, college campus, or social media. Not to mention those bullies that went into law enforcement or the military, that ever abused their positions of power and armament against non-white suspects, prisoners, or civilians here or abroad.

And a total validation of everyone that ever discriminated against anyone for anything.

A total validation of every corporation taking maximum advantage of employees, taxpayers, etc. He even said himself directly in a debate, that if “we” don’t want business guys like him taking full advantage of employees and tax loopholes, then it’s up to us to change those laws that allow him to be deplorable. Zero personal responsibility or accountability, for doing the right, if not forced.

It’s a perfect summation of everything that could possibly be wrong with being human.

I don’t think I will ever understand how this could happen either.

Sharing an email from my wife. Probably not the best thing to do but it's exactly how I feel.

trustbutverify · 10th November 2016, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

That's the thing, right?

He's not going to build a wall or ban Muslims. He doesn't have the power to do that. Most of what he said campaigning is nonsensical, so we really have no idea what kind of president he will be.

The kind that courted the white supremacist crowd, while claiming he didn't really know what that was, even though his father was a member?

trustbutverify · 10th November 2016, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Navigator

I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool.

That in turn made them open to incorrect predictions...and they let their guard down.

Drop the sour grapes and get with the program.

Which program?

DennyT · 10th November 2016, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by BStrong

I'll take the sage words of Peter Townsend as my guide.

I'll give the man the benefit of the doubt as POTUS, but the man is a classless prick.

If anyone wants to burn me at the stake for voting third party have at it, but I could no more vote for Clinton or Trump than grow wings and fly.

He has empowered every obnoxious bully in the country. and now those cowardly bullies now have guns.

trustbutverify · 10th November 2016, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Navigator

Such expression is reminiscent of truthers.
Time will tell.

Trump is who I find reminiscent of truthers. To an amazingly high degree, actually.

NoahFence · 10th November 2016, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Trump is who I find reminiscent of truthers. To an amazingly high degree, actually.

Yea, that might have to do with people in his inner circle being truthers.

Belz... · 10th November 2016, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Trump is who I find reminiscent of truthers. To an amazingly high degree, actually.

Well, he is a conspiracy theorist, so yeah.

The Don · 10th November 2016, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Which program?

Ignore the fact that more people voted for Hillary than Trump and pretend that the GOP has a sweeping mandate to do whatever they want and not to complain at all.

Crossbow · 10th November 2016, 08:53 AM

I am sure that the Trump Administration will be very good for Donald J. Trump, and I am also sure that Donald J. Trump will be very bad for the USA.

trustbutverify · 10th November 2016, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Yea, that might have to do with people in his inner circle being truthers.

No question.

9th November 2016, 05:39 PM	#81
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Caper I also think there is a good chance he gets assassinated. I thought the same thing about Obama too. In this case it won't bother me at all. There is more that would not bother me, but we will just let it lay there.
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9th November 2016, 05:43 PM	#82
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,853	Originally Posted by Navigator Such expression is reminiscent of truthers. Time will tell. I'm reminiscent of a truther because I point out truths about Trump? Whatever. What parts of ignorant, sexist, racist and bully are not true? Indeed, people who deny these characteristics of Trump are far closer to truthers than me.
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9th November 2016, 05:43 PM	#83
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 13,752	Originally Posted by lionking Because it's deserved. There has never been a more ludicrous president than Trump. Are you really comparing him to Obama? No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions.
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9th November 2016, 05:44 PM	#84
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 13,752	Originally Posted by fuelair In this case it won't bother me at all. There is more that would not bother me, but we will just let it lay there. Wow. If someone had said it wouldn't bother them if Obama got assassinated, would you have considered that acceptable, regardless of how much they disliked the guy?
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9th November 2016, 05:53 PM	#86
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by wombatwal What is going to happen in the U.S.A. when Trump can't, Build the wall, Bring industry back, get jobs to the jobless, raise the minimum wage so that the people that voted for him can live, stop Muslims, stop Latinos, gaol Hiliary, clean out the sewer that is Washington DC (Trumps words as best I can remember), impose 45% import tax on Chinese goods, drop NATO, drop South Korea and Japan, Nuke Middle East or any other area he and his deplorables do not agree with. I am sure there are many others. Hopefully they will turn on him, march on and destroy much of downtown DC (except the Library of Congress; the Smithsonian and the very new National Museum of African American History & Culture) and be killed by the military after they have mostly accomplished their goal re: Trump's lies to them. They richly deserve that!!!!!!!
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9th November 2016, 05:52 PM	#85
imodium Thinker Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: england Posts: 190	maybe trump will be a good president, depends on what you expect. his policies to scrap medicare, build a wall, mass deportations, imprison his opponent and ban a religion is what his fans demanded. the economic policy of lumping on around 5 trillion debt should be fun to watch for those of us outside.

9th November 2016, 05:54 PM	#87
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,853	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions. Are predictions not allowed? Tell you what, if the Trump administration is all sweetness and light, come back and tell me how tasteless I have been. In the meantime I'm judging the man on his character and so-called policies. The US and the world will suffer, and I will keep on stating this. Tell me what do you think of the upcoming trade war with China and repudiation of greenhouse gas abatement? Good policies? I, along with countless others think no. What about you? No, I will not give this idiot any slack. Vitriol it is.
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9th November 2016, 05:56 PM	#88
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama. For a perfectly good reason.
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9th November 2016, 06:25 PM	#89
Shadowdweller Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,010	Originally Posted by BStrong If anyone wants to burn me at the stake for voting third party have at it, but I could no more vote for Clinton or Trump than grow wings and fly. Crucify! A lot of the 3rd party vote in this election would never have voted Clinton. And probably would not have made enough of a difference anyway. Nader gets flack for 2000 because much of his constituency WOULD have voted Gore, and because that race was much tighter. Perhaps the question regarding the ACA is not what Trump is going to do (or try to do) to it. But what we're going to replace it with - and how - when it comes time to remove Trump and the damage the next two years are going to cause.

9th November 2016, 06:38 PM	#90
SpitfireIX Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Location: Panama City Beach, Florida, USA Posts: 5,114	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat From a purely selfish PoV, with no consideration to the greater issue, I really wish they'd just leave it alone. ACA isn't exactly great, but I don't care. Let the dust settle please. It's been an immense amount of work in my field, and for me personally, figuring out how to do business in this new marketplace. It's been an immense amount of capital investment. Is it too much to ask that we quit screwing around with it for a few more years? Give it a chance to see if it's working or not before we go messing with it? From a purely selfish PoV, my base premium is going up 35% next year; my actual monthly payment will go from $375 to $535, assuming my income doesn't change. Plus my deductible and copays are going up significantly. Further, the insurance I used to have was canceled because the plan wasn't Obamacare compliant. Finally, two years ago I was hospitalized, for the first time in more than 20 years, and my out-of-pocket expenses were about twice what they would have been if I'd had my old insurance.
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9th November 2016, 06:51 PM	#91
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat I must have misread your post. I thought you were expressing that you believed it should be repealed. I was simply expressing the wishes of the party soon-to-be in power. The benefits of the ACA are irrelevant; all they want is to repeal it because reasons.
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9th November 2016, 06:52 PM	#92
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Says the guy with the single payer health care. You have no idea how utterly ridiculous your medical system looks to anybody outside the US.
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9th November 2016, 06:56 PM	#93
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles north of the border Posts: 20,843	Originally Posted by Mycroft He used to be a Democrat, the Republican establishment fought against him, and just because he draws the racist vote doesn't mean he will be a racist president. He may turn out to be a centrist who can get things done. Well, given there is nothing that can be done other than wait and see, it's good to have hope. Hope and change,,,,, I've heard that somewhere before......

9th November 2016, 10:03 PM	#94
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 48,579	Originally Posted by Spindrift Immigration and Terrorism was most important so they voted for the guy who wants to build a useless wall, violate the constitution by imposing a religious standard for immigrants and thinks he knows more than the generals do? They voted for him over the gal who didn't understand their concern and didn't even try to convince them that she would do a better job of addressing it. Maybe they voted for him not because they thought he'd actually fix it, but because they were convinced she would only make it worse. This is probably only a little bit about Trump's actual platform, and a lot about flipping a giant middle finger at Hillary the Progressive Statesman. I can't imagine a clearer message of Do Not Want than to choose Trump instead of whatever you imagine people should want. Has it not occurred to you that this strategy of telling people that they should shut up, sit down, and let the elites do all their deciding for them, is not such a great strategy? Has it ever occurred to you that showing sincere empathy for the people you're supposedly trying to help might build more trust with them than constant vilification and disdain? "But Trump doesn't have a sincere bone in his body!" you say. "Trump is utterly incapable of empathy!" you say. And sure. You're right, of course. But what you comically, willfully, tragically, pathetically fail to understand is that the people who voted for Trump think you're no different from him. You've worked very hard to alienate half the country. Don't act so surprised that half the country treats you like an alien invasion.

10th November 2016, 05:51 AM	#95
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,155	Originally Posted by theprestige Maybe they voted for him not because they thought he'd actually fix it, but because they were convinced she would only make it worse. This is probably only a little bit about Trump's actual platform, and a lot about flipping a giant middle finger at Hillary the Progressive Statesman. Judging by the Facebook memes, the fact that a minority of voters voted for Trump does look like it was all about flipping a giant middle finger not just at Clinton, but at the Republican establishment as well. I've seen a lot of posts claiming that when the establishment, R and D both, don't like you, it means you are for the people. Originally Posted by theprestige I can't imagine a clearer message of Do Not Want than to choose Trump instead of whatever you imagine people should want. Has it not occurred to you that this strategy of telling people that they should shut up, sit down, and let the elites do all their deciding for them, is not such a great strategy? Indeed, letting people who know what they are doing make the decisions is a terrible strategy! The ignorance of those who are happy to watch the world burn is equal to the knowledge of those who can fix things. Of course, the rubes who think this are constantly spoon-fed this nonsense by the elites at FOX News (among others), but these elites are good because reasons. Originally Posted by theprestige Has it ever occurred to you that showing sincere empathy for the people you're supposedly trying to help might build more trust with them than constant vilification and disdain? "But Trump doesn't have a sincere bone in his body!" you say. "Trump is utterly incapable of empathy!" you say. And sure. You're right, of course. But what you comically, willfully, tragically, pathetically fail to understand is that the people who voted for Trump think you're no different from him. You've worked very hard to alienate half the country. Don't act so surprised that half the country treats you like an alien invasion. Golly, yeah, it sure wasn't people spreading bs memes about elites spreading "constant vilification and disdain" that made the people voting for Trump think elites are no better than Trump.

10th November 2016, 05:54 AM	#96
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions. The doom and gloom predictions are based on what his stated policies are, not some twisted translation of them. These are based on what he's said. It seems a fair amount of people voted for him based on them being fully aware that he has no intention of putting forth what he campaigned on? Am I getting that right?

10th November 2016, 06:00 AM	#97
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,375	What exactly will Trump try to accomplish? Certainly nothing to solve the real problems of the country today. More trickle-down won't safe the economy, and neither will reducing healthcare. Oddly enough, the best things Trump will do is increase defence spending and build the wall, both of which will somewhat increase the economy, though in the most inefficient way possible.
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10th November 2016, 06:02 AM	#98
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,327	I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, I predict Trump will beat HRC on November 8.
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10th November 2016, 06:03 AM	#99
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by xjx388 No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration. Who can say? Those are two of his main policies and he can't just eject them a lot of them sure he said so many things that he can just ignore the inconvient ones, but those are core policies. People are not going to forget them, even trump supporters.
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10th November 2016, 06:05 AM	#100
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by lionking Er, no. He really is a moron. But a true master of BS.
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10th November 2016, 06:08 AM	#101
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat No, I'm comparing the amount of vitriol being spewed, and commenting subtly (or not so subtly) on the distastefulness of the doom & gloom predictions. Those tend to be based on many of his campaign promises. Like how he will destroy news outlets that report facts and the the Trump Truth. A man too unstable to be trusted by his allies with a twitter account is getting nuclear weapons.
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10th November 2016, 06:09 AM	#102
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle But a true master of BS. No, he's not even good at that.
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10th November 2016, 06:10 AM	#103
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by SpitfireIX From a purely selfish PoV, my base premium is going up 35% next year; my actual monthly payment will go from $375 to $535, assuming my income doesn't change. Plus my deductible and copays are going up significantly. Further, the insurance I used to have was canceled because the plan wasn't Obamacare compliant. Finally, two years ago I was hospitalized, for the first time in more than 20 years, and my out-of-pocket expenses were about twice what they would have been if I'd had my old insurance. What aspect of the old insurance was not compliant? Lifetime maximum?
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10th November 2016, 06:10 AM	#104
marplots Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 29,167	Originally Posted by Drewbot I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, I predict Trump will beat HRC on November 8. Not a chance. Have you seen the polls?

10th November 2016, 06:10 AM	#105
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle A man too unstable to be trusted by his allies with a twitter account is getting nuclear weapons.
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10th November 2016, 06:13 AM	#106
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by Spindrift No, he's not even good at that. How else could he be seen by so many as a great success dispite his failures and violations of laws and basic human decency?
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10th November 2016, 07:05 AM	#107
Kestrel Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,061	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle What aspect of the old insurance was not compliant? Lifetime maximum? The primary reason for existing policies not being ACA compliant was having an annual or lifetime maximum. Grandfathered policies could fall short of most ACA requirements as long as they dropped the payout limits.

10th November 2016, 07:58 AM	#108
CynicalSkeptic Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,608	Originally Posted by Caper I also think there is a good chance he gets assassinated. I thought the same thing about Obama too. Leaving Pence in charge which could be even worse.

10th November 2016, 08:05 AM	#109
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by Kestrel The primary reason for existing policies not being ACA compliant was having an annual or lifetime maximum. Grandfathered policies could fall short of most ACA requirements as long as they dropped the payout limits. Ah so the screwed if you get cancer kind of policies. I am sure those are going to make a comeback.
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10th November 2016, 08:07 AM	#110
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic Leaving Pence in charge which could be even worse. From what I hear, Pence is Cruz lite, so yeah.
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10th November 2016, 08:11 AM	#111
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Quote: Me neither. This is a total validation of every guy that ever assaulted / abused / harassed a woman (or girl), on every level of the spectrum, from bosses calling female employees “sweety”, to all out rape and domestic assault. And a total validation of every bully that ever picked on any other kid, for anything, on the playground, college campus, or social media. Not to mention those bullies that went into law enforcement or the military, that ever abused their positions of power and armament against non-white suspects, prisoners, or civilians here or abroad. And a total validation of everyone that ever discriminated against anyone for anything. A total validation of every corporation taking maximum advantage of employees, taxpayers, etc. He even said himself directly in a debate, that if “we” don’t want business guys like him taking full advantage of employees and tax loopholes, then it’s up to us to change those laws that allow him to be deplorable. Zero personal responsibility or accountability, for doing the right, if not forced. It’s a perfect summation of everything that could possibly be wrong with being human. I don’t think I will ever understand how this could happen either. Sharing an email from my wife. Probably not the best thing to do but it's exactly how I feel.

10th November 2016, 08:11 AM	#112
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,800	Originally Posted by Mycroft That's the thing, right? He's not going to build a wall or ban Muslims. He doesn't have the power to do that. Most of what he said campaigning is nonsensical, so we really have no idea what kind of president he will be. The kind that courted the white supremacist crowd, while claiming he didn't really know what that was, even though his father was a member?
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10th November 2016, 08:15 AM	#113
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,800	Originally Posted by Navigator I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool. That in turn made them open to incorrect predictions...and they let their guard down. Drop the sour grapes and get with the program. Which program?
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10th November 2016, 08:27 AM	#114
DennyT Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,213	Originally Posted by BStrong I'll take the sage words of Peter Townsend as my guide. I'll give the man the benefit of the doubt as POTUS, but the man is a classless prick. If anyone wants to burn me at the stake for voting third party have at it, but I could no more vote for Clinton or Trump than grow wings and fly. He has empowered every obnoxious bully in the country. and now those cowardly bullies now have guns.
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10th November 2016, 08:29 AM	#115
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,800	Originally Posted by Navigator Such expression is reminiscent of truthers. Time will tell. Trump is who I find reminiscent of truthers. To an amazingly high degree, actually.
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