[Continuation] Trump’s Coup - Part 2 - Page 3

Meadmaker · 7th January 2021, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

So ******* what? Do it and put those who vote no on record as traitors!

I learned a very long time ago that forcing people to go on record is a very good strategy, if you expect to win. If not, people will line up against you. I never did it on a national stage, but just in small time politics at clubs and offices. If people don't want to go on record, they will resent being forced to go on record.

What to do all depends on a lot of back stage conversations that are going on right now. If they can get him out early, I want him gone today, if it could be done. I just don't want his last act in office to be winning another fight with Pelosi.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 12:48 PM

Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon.

Meadmaker · 7th January 2021, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

He has to be held accountable for inciting the riot; the rioters, the insurrectionists, have to be held accountable for breaching the Capitol building. This must happen for the good of our nation, or we just hold up our hands, and shrug our shoulders to mob, and mobster rule.

This is it, right now, right here.

I agree, but he is only held accountable if he loses the vote. If he wins it, he wins. If you can get all the Democrats and 17 Republicans to sign on, go for it. Or if Pence plus half of the cabinet sign on to getting rid of him, all the better.

ponderingturtle · 7th January 2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Well Mitch has probably made himself into a perceived enemy of Trump as he argued against failing to accept Biden. And some GOP senators will probably not appreciate Trump putting them in harm's way.

They might be thinking it's time to dump him. And using the 25th, pretend his actions are a surprising development and he was perfectly fit for office before this..

I think they are too afraid of putting a trumpist target on their backs. Easier to wait out the clock on not have to go on record either way.

cosmicaug · 7th January 2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

"It's a revolution" she says. In a wounded tone which implies the authorities who maced her fail to grasp this. I mean, you're not supposed to oppose a revolution, are you? The revolution* is the goodies.

*Oh but not, like, communist revolutionaries, or anything icky like that, obvs. They are the baddies. No, just nice revolutionaries. Regular, commonsense people who only want to drag the vice president out of the building and string him up from a lamp post.

That is icky and so wrong! These folk are way classier than that. Need I remind you that they LARPed some actual gallows?
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JoeMorgue · 7th January 2021, 12:51 PM

New: The FBI is seeking public help tracking down people involved in riot at the Capital.
Me On Phone to FBI: Yeah his name is Donald Trump. Mid-70s, orange combover, bad fitting suit. He lives on Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, don't remember the exact address but it's the Big White House, can't miss it.

cosmicaug · 7th January 2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Pelosi demands the President be immediately removed under the 25th Amendment or else the House will impeach.

Why not both?

pgwenthold · 7th January 2021, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

In Elizebeth's case, she seems affronted and utterly surprised that she was maced, so I think AnonyMoose is accurate.

Where bravado crosses with stupidity.

And with guns.

White privilege

DevilsAdvocate · 7th January 2021, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon.

Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible.

DevilsAdvocate · 7th January 2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Why not both?

Only need one. The 25th is faster and easier. Going for that option first.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible.

Graham has no power whatsover in this except to jawbone.

pgwenthold · 7th January 2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

"It's a revolution" she says. In a wounded tone which implies the authorities who maced her fail to grasp this. I mean, you're not supposed to oppose a revolution, are you? The revolution* is the goodies.

*Oh but not, like, communist revolutionaries, or anything icky like that, obvs. They are the baddies. No, just nice revolutionaries. Regular, commonsense people who only want to drag the vice president out of the building and string him up from a lamp post.

Americans just love revolutions! We celebrate the 4th of July every year. Now that was a beautiful revolution. Great people. Great patriots. They had great hair. A lot of people don't realize they were just wigs. That's what they called their political party - wigs. Because they wore wigs. A lot if people don't know that.

cosmicaug · 7th January 2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

While I feel this is appropriate, I still think it's a stupid thing to do if they aren't sure of the votes to convict.

I hope they have the votes to convict, but I doubt it.

No. We should want this. The Republicans are about to start a faction, on the 20th of January, that will be gaslighting the country by saying that they were taking principled stands against Trump all along. If we have impeachment proceedings & the proceedings fail to convict, these future retroactive Trump dissidents will start out by having most of their names on the list of politicians voting against impeachment. This being on the public record is a good thing.

Resume · 7th January 2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I agree, but he is only held accountable if he loses the vote. If he wins it, he wins. If you can get all the Democrats and 17 Republicans to sign on, go for it. Or if Pence plus half of the cabinet sign on to getting rid of him, all the better.

We all lose if we do nothing. It's a simple as that. If impeachment fails, that failure is entirely the fault of Trump's enablers, who should be excoriated with the same tenacity and ferocity that these thugs used to create the conspiratorial distrust of the electoral process in the first place. They must be exposed to be just as complicit in all of this as Trump.

Jimmy Carter, long considered by many to be the worst President in modern history - though not to be outdone, Trump burped, "Hold my diet Coke" - said just today:

Originally Posted by James Earl Carter

Having observed elections in troubled democracies wordlwide, I know that we the people can unite to walk back from this precipice to peacefully uphold the laws of our nation, and we must.

We must.

lomiller · 7th January 2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Only need one. The 25th is faster and easier. Going for that option first.

Impeachment could also be used to prevent him from holding office again, while I don't think the 25th would block him from running if he's still alive to run in 2024.

Norman Alexander · 7th January 2021, 01:08 PM

Revoke Trump's passport. RIGHT NOW. He is an extreme flight risk.

JoeMorgue · 7th January 2021, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Revoke Trump's passport. RIGHT NOW. He is an extreme flight risk.

You really think his passport is a factor in that?

He's the President.

cosmicaug · 7th January 2021, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Republicans growing a spine? They don't believe in evolution so will refuse to do so.

Changing your tune the moment you are personally threatened (one's physical safety, in this case) is not the same thing as "growing a spine".

Norman Alexander · 7th January 2021, 01:11 PM

Also, Trump can be removed via the 25th and impeached, even after his term is over. They are not mutually exclusive.

acbytesla · 7th January 2021, 01:11 PM

I'm not confident that Trump's cabinet will invoke the 25th Amendment because the people on his cabinet who would be likely to vote for it keep resigning. Elaine Chao DOT Secretary and McConnell's wife just resigned. If there were the votes to invoke it, I doubt she would have resigned.

Norman Alexander · 7th January 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

You really think his passport is a factor in that?

He's the President.

Not when he gets to another country he isn't.

Nessie · 7th January 2021, 01:12 PM

Trump not that long ago ordered the forceable removal of peaceful protestors from outside a church, which included the police assault of a TV news crew. Other politicians stood by and did nothing about that. But when Trump incites an attack on them, finally the politicians get it and start to act.

The lesson is none of those politicians are really for the people, it is only really about them.

DevilsAdvocate · 7th January 2021, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Graham has no power whatsover in this except to jawbone.

He is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He can get things done, especially if he has the support of Congress and he will have that support.

slyjoe · 7th January 2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

He is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He can get things done, especially if he has the support of Congress and he will have that support.

He will not be the chairman for much longer.

Vixen · 7th January 2021, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Pelosi demands the President be immediately removed under the 25th Amendment or else the House will impeach.

Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk?

TJM · 7th January 2021, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Not when he gets to another country he isn't.

Vlad probably has a plane on standby in Havana.

Resume · 7th January 2021, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk?

I would be, and since he's already identified, I expect him to be in custody sometime today, his boots traded for jail clogs. Extra points for arraignment video of him shackled around the waist.

You can tell I haven't been thinking about this very much.

DevilsAdvocate · 7th January 2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

He will not be the chairman for much longer.

Well, he'll be the ranking member (tee hee). He can still get stuff done on this issue.

acbytesla · 7th January 2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

He is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He can get things done, especially if he has the support of Congress and he will have that support.

No, he's the ranking member. Or at least he will be when the new Senators from Georgia are sworn in.

Ninja'd by DA.

cosmicaug · 7th January 2021, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

already answered. An attempt to take control of the powers of Government by the insurrectionists, for example declaring that they were now the US congress and holding votes on which electors to accept.

I'm going to guess that you'd consider the 1981 Spanish coup attempt not a coup since the "guardia civiles" who came into the Spanish Congress of Deputies wasted their time shouting and shooting at the ceiling rather than legislating and carrying other government functions. Those guys passed zero laws and the actual exercise of government functions by parliamentarians was merely suspended, after all.

DevilsAdvocate · 7th January 2021, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk?

She is sulking about members of Congress sheltering just feet away from the mob and staff and family members and children hiding under desks while terrorists tried to break down the door.

cosmicaug · 7th January 2021, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

She is sulking about members of Congress sheltering just feet away from the mob and staff and family members and children hiding under desks while terrorists tried to break down the door.

When you put it that way it makes it sound kind of bad.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 01:39 PM

The idiot who wore his work badge has been fired by the Maryland Company who employed him.

TIme to revive a song written when pretty much the same thing happened in Charlottesville:

"If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands
If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands
You got spotted in a mob
Now you've lost your ******* job
If your're a Nazi and you know it clap your hands".

Pixel42 · 7th January 2021, 01:40 PM

Is it true that if Trump is impeached and convicted he won't get the usual pension and other ex President perks?

Resume · 7th January 2021, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The idiot who wore his work badge has been fired by the Maryland Company who employed him.

TIme to revive a song written when pretty much the same thing happened in Charlottesville:

"If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands
If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands
You got spotted in a mob
Now you've lost your ******* job
If your're a Nazi and you know it clap your hands".

Now, arrest him.

Skeptic Ginger · 7th January 2021, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

No, it's not. All it takes is it to be invoked and Congress being unwilling to address it. They can keep it being pushed to a vote in Congress for effectively 25 days. By which time Biden will be POTUS anyway.

In 25 days a truly incompetent POTUS can do a lot of damage. Anything less than immediate removal from office is useless.

So how is the 25th useful?

Meadmaker · 7th January 2021, 01:43 PM

I just read the 25th amendment. It's not the right way to go. It still requires a 2/3 vote of not just the Senate, but also the House. Because of the timing, it might be that he could be removed temporarily, and then the clock runs out during the "temporary" portion, although I'm not sure how to interpret the amendment to be sure.

The bigger reason not to do it is that isn't what the amendment is for. It was for cases where the President isn't dead, but has a medical problem that prevents him from carrying out his duties. I think insanity might qualify and be applicable to this case, but that's a tough sell. If he emerges from the cocoon and appears sane, the 25th isn't going to fly.

If you are going to do the right thing, impeachment is it.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Revoke Trump's passport. RIGHT NOW. He is an extreme flight risk.

Hell no. If he wants to flee the country, let him. Good riddence to Bad garbage.
Same attitude Lincoln had toward Jefferson Davis.

dudalb · 7th January 2021, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

Now, arrest him.

he is not a high priority, he was just a moronic follower, the people the FBI will go after are the ring leaders and higher ups...like the guy in Pelosi's office.

acbytesla · 7th January 2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

In 25 days a truly incompetent POTUS can do a lot of damage. Anything less than immediate removal from office is useless.

So how is the 25th useful?

Because during that entire time Pence would be POTUS and Trump would have no authority whatsoever.

7th January 2021, 12:47 PM	#81
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,778	Originally Posted by shemp So ******* what? Do it and put those who vote no on record as traitors! I learned a very long time ago that forcing people to go on record is a very good strategy, if you expect to win. If not, people will line up against you. I never did it on a national stage, but just in small time politics at clubs and offices. If people don't want to go on record, they will resent being forced to go on record. What to do all depends on a lot of back stage conversations that are going on right now. If they can get him out early, I want him gone today, if it could be done. I just don't want his last act in office to be winning another fight with Pelosi.
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7th January 2021, 12:48 PM	#82
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,933	Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon.
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7th January 2021, 12:49 PM	#83
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,778	Originally Posted by Resume He has to be held accountable for inciting the riot; the rioters, the insurrectionists, have to be held accountable for breaching the Capitol building. This must happen for the good of our nation, or we just hold up our hands, and shrug our shoulders to mob, and mobster rule. This is it, right now, right here. I agree, but he is only held accountable if he loses the vote. If he wins it, he wins. If you can get all the Democrats and 17 Republicans to sign on, go for it. Or if Pence plus half of the cabinet sign on to getting rid of him, all the better.
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7th January 2021, 12:50 PM	#84
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,155	Originally Posted by jimbob Well Mitch has probably made himself into a perceived enemy of Trump as he argued against failing to accept Biden. And some GOP senators will probably not appreciate Trump putting them in harm's way. They might be thinking it's time to dump him. And using the 25th, pretend his actions are a surprising development and he was perfectly fit for office before this.. I think they are too afraid of putting a trumpist target on their backs. Easier to wait out the clock on not have to go on record either way.
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7th January 2021, 12:50 PM	#85
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge "It's a revolution" she says. In a wounded tone which implies the authorities who maced her fail to grasp this. I mean, you're not supposed to oppose a revolution, are you? The revolution* is the goodies. Oh but not, like, communist revolutionaries, or anything icky like that, obvs. They are the baddies. No, just nice* revolutionaries. Regular, commonsense people who only want to drag the vice president out of the building and string him up from a lamp post. That is icky and so wrong! These folk are way classier than that. Need I remind you that they LARPed some actual gallows? 53WSESMT4NBIFKJXUNIQYZUM6Y.jpg
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7th January 2021, 12:51 PM	#86
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,897	New: The FBI is seeking public help tracking down people involved in riot at the Capital. Me On Phone to FBI: Yeah his name is Donald Trump. Mid-70s, orange combover, bad fitting suit. He lives on Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, don't remember the exact address but it's the Big White House, can't miss it.
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7th January 2021, 12:55 PM	#87
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Pelosi demands the President be immediately removed under the 25th Amendment or else the House will impeach. Why not both?
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7th January 2021, 12:56 PM	#88
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,056	Originally Posted by jimbob In Elizebeth's case, she seems affronted and utterly surprised that she was maced, so I think AnonyMoose is accurate. Where bravado crosses with stupidity. And with guns. White privilege
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7th January 2021, 12:57 PM	#89
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	Originally Posted by dudalb Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon. Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible.
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7th January 2021, 12:58 PM	#90
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	Originally Posted by cosmicaug Why not both? Only need one. The 25th is faster and easier. Going for that option first.
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7th January 2021, 01:01 PM	#91
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,933	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible. Graham has no power whatsover in this except to jawbone.
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7th January 2021, 01:03 PM	#93
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by Meadmaker While I feel this is appropriate, I still think it's a stupid thing to do if they aren't sure of the votes to convict. I hope they have the votes to convict, but I doubt it. No. We should want this. The Republicans are about to start a faction, on the 20th of January, that will be gaslighting the country by saying that they were taking principled stands against Trump all along. If we have impeachment proceedings & the proceedings fail to convict, these future retroactive Trump dissidents will start out by having most of their names on the list of politicians voting against impeachment. This being on the public record is a good thing.
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7th January 2021, 01:07 PM	#94
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,657	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I agree, but he is only held accountable if he loses the vote. If he wins it, he wins. If you can get all the Democrats and 17 Republicans to sign on, go for it. Or if Pence plus half of the cabinet sign on to getting rid of him, all the better. We all lose if we do nothing. It's a simple as that. If impeachment fails, that failure is entirely the fault of Trump's enablers, who should be excoriated with the same tenacity and ferocity that these thugs used to create the conspiratorial distrust of the electoral process in the first place. They must be exposed to be just as complicit in all of this as Trump. Jimmy Carter, long considered by many to be the worst President in modern history - though not to be outdone, Trump burped, "Hold my diet Coke" - said just today: Originally Posted by James Earl Carter Having observed elections in troubled democracies wordlwide, I know that we the people can unite to walk back from this precipice to peacefully uphold the laws of our nation, and we must. We must.
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7th January 2021, 01:07 PM	#95
lomiller Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,171	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Only need one. The 25th is faster and easier. Going for that option first. Impeachment could also be used to prevent him from holding office again, while I don't think the 25th would block him from running if he's still alive to run in 2024.
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7th January 2021, 01:08 PM	#96
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	Revoke Trump's passport. RIGHT NOW. He is an extreme flight risk.
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7th January 2021, 01:09 PM	#97
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,897	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Revoke Trump's passport. RIGHT NOW. He is an extreme flight risk. You really think his passport is a factor in that? He's the President.
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7th January 2021, 01:10 PM	#98
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Republicans growing a spine? They don't believe in evolution so will refuse to do so. Changing your tune the moment you are personally threatened (one's physical safety, in this case) is not the same thing as "growing a spine".
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7th January 2021, 01:11 PM	#99
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	Also, Trump can be removed via the 25th *and* impeached, even after his term is over. They are not mutually exclusive.
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7th January 2021, 01:11 PM	#100
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,942	I'm not confident that Trump's cabinet will invoke the 25th Amendment because the people on his cabinet who would be likely to vote for it keep resigning. Elaine Chao DOT Secretary and McConnell's wife just resigned. If there were the votes to invoke it, I doubt she would have resigned.
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7th January 2021, 01:11 PM	#101
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue You really think his passport is a factor in that? He's the President. Not when he gets to another country he isn't.
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7th January 2021, 01:12 PM	#102
Nessie Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 12,915	Trump not that long ago ordered the forceable removal of peaceful protestors from outside a church, which included the police assault of a TV news crew. Other politicians stood by and did nothing about that. But when Trump incites an attack on them, finally the politicians get it and start to act. The lesson is none of those politicians are really for the people, it is only really about them.
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7th January 2021, 01:14 PM	#103
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	Originally Posted by dudalb Graham has no power whatsover in this except to jawbone. He is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He can get things done, especially if he has the support of Congress and he will have that support.
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7th January 2021, 01:17 PM	#104
slyjoe Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 2,544	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate He is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He can get things done, especially if he has the support of Congress and he will have that support. He will not be the chairman for much longer.
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7th January 2021, 01:21 PM	#105
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,222	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Pelosi demands the President be immediately removed under the 25th Amendment or else the House will impeach. Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk?
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7th January 2021, 01:25 PM	#106
TJM Potsing Whiled Runk Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 21,596	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Not when he gets to another country he isn't. Vlad probably has a plane on standby in Havana.
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7th January 2021, 01:27 PM	#107
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,657	Originally Posted by Vixen Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk? I would be, and since he's already identified, I expect him to be in custody sometime today, his boots traded for jail clogs. Extra points for arraignment video of him shackled around the waist. You can tell I haven't been thinking about this very much.

7th January 2021, 01:29 PM	#108
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	Originally Posted by slyjoe He will not be the chairman for much longer. Well, he'll be the ranking member (tee hee). He can still get stuff done on this issue.
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7th January 2021, 01:33 PM	#109
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,942	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate He is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He can get things done, especially if he has the support of Congress and he will have that support. No, he's the ranking member. Or at least he will be when the new Senators from Georgia are sworn in. Ninja'd by DA.
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7th January 2021, 01:34 PM	#110
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf already answered. An attempt to take control of the powers of Government by the insurrectionists, for example declaring that they were now the US congress and holding votes on which electors to accept. I'm going to guess that you'd consider the 1981 Spanish coup attempt not a coup since the "guardia civiles" who came into the Spanish Congress of Deputies wasted their time shouting and shooting at the ceiling rather than legislating and carrying other government functions. Those guys passed zero laws and the actual exercise of government functions by parliamentarians was merely suspended, after all.
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7th January 2021, 01:35 PM	#111
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	Originally Posted by Vixen Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk? She is sulking about members of Congress sheltering just feet away from the mob and staff and family members and children hiding under desks while terrorists tried to break down the door.
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7th January 2021, 01:36 PM	#112
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate She is sulking about members of Congress sheltering just feet away from the mob and staff and family members and children hiding under desks while terrorists tried to break down the door. When you put it that way it makes it sound kind of bad.
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7th January 2021, 01:39 PM	#113
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,933	The idiot who wore his work badge has been fired by the Maryland Company who employed him. TIme to revive a song written when pretty much the same thing happened in Charlottesville: "If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands You got spotted in a mob Now you've lost your ******* job If your're a Nazi and you know it clap your hands".
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7th January 2021, 01:40 PM	#114
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 12,837	Is it true that if Trump is impeached and convicted he won't get the usual pension and other ex President perks?
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7th January 2021, 01:41 PM	#115
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,657	Originally Posted by dudalb The idiot who wore his work badge has been fired by the Maryland Company who employed him. TIme to revive a song written when pretty much the same thing happened in Charlottesville: "If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands You got spotted in a mob Now you've lost your ******* job If your're a Nazi and you know it clap your hands". Now, arrest him.

7th January 2021, 01:41 PM	#116
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,833	Originally Posted by acbytesla No, it's not. All it takes is it to be invoked and Congress being unwilling to address it. They can keep it being pushed to a vote in Congress for effectively 25 days. By which time Biden will be POTUS anyway. In 25 days a truly incompetent POTUS can do a lot of damage. Anything less than immediate removal from office is useless. So how is the 25th useful?