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Old 26th June 2019, 09:38 AM   #1
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That little camera thing at the top center?

A friend told me to put something over the little camera eye on my computer. I didn't pay any attention, since he is a rather paranoid. (And conspiracy theorist). So, I thought I would ask here.


Really? Why would they want to see me do not-a-damn-thing-interesting?
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Old 26th June 2019, 10:02 AM   #2
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It's not hard to hack them. Basically, someone might try to embarrass you with a recording of you whilst watching porn.
Not common, but possible.

There are software solutions, but a bit of tape uses up less RAM.
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Old 26th June 2019, 10:03 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by wasapi View Post
A friend told me to put something over the little camera eye on my computer. I didn't pay any attention, since he is a rather paranoid. (And conspiracy theorist). So, I thought I would ask here.


Really? Why would they want to see me do not-a-damn-thing-interesting?
You could get a webcam cover too. For the most part I don't think there's much to worry about as you said you do regular scans and don't run into many issues, but it's easily happened where people get in.

It's not so much that they see you doing something interesting as much as it can be used to gather information. If you pay bills at your laptop and someone can see through the cam they can get billing account numbers, etc. Most of the time, though, if they've gotten that far there are more things to worry about.
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Old 26th June 2019, 10:08 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by wasapi View Post
A friend told me to put something over the little camera eye on my computer. I didn't pay any attention, since he is a rather paranoid. (And conspiracy theorist). So, I thought I would ask here.
The FBI recommends it, and hell there's a running joke about the FBI being the one watching you on it, so it's hardly some paranoid fringe belief.

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Really? Why would they want to see me do not-a-damn-thing-interesting?
Problem is that have to watch you before they know you aren't doing anything worth watching.
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Old 26th June 2019, 10:12 AM   #5
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There's that famous picture of facebook's Mark Zuckerberg:



I guess he knows why he's doing it.
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Old 26th June 2019, 10:21 AM   #6
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Mark Zuckerberg
I like how his personal desk is right there with all the other workers. A real down-to-earth billionaire. Never above the common man. He probably taped up all the other computers before doing his own computer because of his selflessness.
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Old 26th June 2019, 01:57 PM   #7
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I taped up the ones on my phone. I have no camera on my desktop. If I had a tablet or laptop they'd get taped as well. If I need to use one easy enough to take the tape off and replace it after.
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Old 26th June 2019, 02:41 PM   #8
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I don't worry about it at all. If someone's managed to get some kind of covert remote software onto my computer, I have a hell of a lot more valuable material on the computer than what could be gleaned from my camera. Heck, if I knew they were watching, I'd put on a show.
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Old 26th June 2019, 04:10 PM   #9
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I taped up the ones on my phone. I have no camera on my desktop. If I had a tablet or laptop they'd get taped as well. If I need to use one easy enough to take the tape off and replace it after.
Be real careful with the ones on your phone, those tiny lenses are very easily scratched, and because they are very small, the slightest mark or scratch will affect your photos. If you get some of the adhesive from the tape on them, you will have a real problem removing it without damaging the lens.
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Old 26th June 2019, 06:09 PM   #10
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Be real careful with the ones on your phone, those tiny lenses are very easily scratched, and because they are very small, the slightest mark or scratch will affect your photos. If you get some of the adhesive from the tape on them, you will have a real problem removing it without damaging the lens.
Valid points and factors to consider. For the one on my phone on the screen side I care not about it at all. I am not into selfies and there is no other reason I can think of for it. I'd paint it over with nail polish but my wife doesn't have any black NP. The phone is in a case and the camera on that side is protected by the case with the tape not touching the lens.

Considering how much power they use, the quality of the images and how tiny they are the technology is quite impressive.
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Old 26th June 2019, 06:12 PM   #11
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We take most of our pictures on our phones, impractical to cover those.

I vaguely recalled having covered the one on the older laptop so reached over and yup, there's tape on it. Not on the new one.

Privacy is dead anyhow.
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Old 26th June 2019, 06:14 PM   #12
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Valid points and factors to consider. For the one on my phone on the screen side I care not about it at all. I am not into selfies and there is no other reason I can think of for it. I'd paint it over with nail polish but my wife doesn't have any black NP. The phone is in a case and the camera on that side is protected by the case with the tape not touching the lens.

Considering how much power they use, the quality of the images and how tiny they are the technology is quite impressive.
Sharpie.

And yes, impressive indeed. In the Tetons a couple of years ago, the lighting conditions were difficult. The DSLR pictures wound up being washed out. The phone ones were good.
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Old 27th June 2019, 01:54 AM   #13
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People accessing other people webcams, tv's with inbuilt cams and security cams is a big thing, there are whole websites with peoples feeds on them where they have either been hacked or just used the default passwords etc

So it does happen...

http://www.insecam.org/
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You could get a webcam cover too.
One of the most popular bits of trade show swag of the last couple of years. I must have thirty in my "miscellaneous crap" box.
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People accessing other people webcams, tv's with inbuilt cams and security cams is a big thing, there are whole websites with peoples feeds on them where they have either been hacked or just used the default passwords etc

So it does happen...

http://www.insecam.org/
Wait, what? Just anybody on a laptop could theoretically be on there??

I've never covered my camera, but now I'm definitely going to. Won't the adhesive ruin the lens?

I think I am going to be too scared to use the internet soon.
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Old 27th June 2019, 01:24 PM   #16
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Won't the adhesive ruin the lens?
Yeah you don't want to get adhesive on the lens. You could make a cover by cutting a piece of paper or card into like a one inch square and then taping that over the lens. The paper is on the lens but not the tape.
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Old 27th June 2019, 01:59 PM   #17
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Yeah you don't want to get adhesive on the lens. You could make a cover by cutting a piece of paper or card into like a one inch square and then taping that over the lens. The paper is on the lens but not the tape.
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Mine's covered with a post-it. The adhesive is generally harmless.
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Wait, what? Just anybody on a laptop could theoretically be on there??

I've never covered my camera, but now I'm definitely going to. Won't the adhesive ruin the lens?

I think I am going to be too scared to use the internet soon.
Give up, if not on the Net they have other ways...
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Wait, what? Just anybody on a laptop could theoretically be on there??

I've never covered my camera, but now I'm definitely going to. Won't the adhesive ruin the lens?

I think I am going to be too scared to use the internet soon.
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Yeah you don't want to get adhesive on the lens. You could make a cover by cutting a piece of paper or card into like a one inch square and then taping that over the lens. The paper is on the lens but not the tape.
When I covered one, I took black electrical tape about 1 inch long, then stuck another bit half that long on it, adhesive to adhesive. Then I stuck the big piece on the computer so the little one protects the lens. Not that I've ever had any need to use it anyhow.
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Old 27th June 2019, 07:06 PM   #21
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I just wear disguises when I'm using the computer or walking around the room that has my computer in it.

Plausible deniability and all that....
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Wait, what? Just anybody on a laptop could theoretically be on there??
Uh, probably not. That site links mostly to cameras that appear to be made available to the public by design and not by mistake. That doesn't mean, though, that all the cameras are in that category. Some are insecure Internet of Things camerasthat were installed by non-experts and are now hanging out directly on the internet instead of being behind a software or hardware firewall. Many of them

If your home computer is connected to a cable box or DSL modem that has more than one RJ45 (more accurately, 8P8C) connector on it for plugging in a computer, and/or has WiFi, changes are very good it has its own built-in firewall. In order to get to the camera on your computer, an intruder would have to bypass the firewall and then connect to a service on your computer that has the ability to control the camera.

Now another (and more common) way someone could get illicit access to your computer's camera is by installing malware on your system. The malware can control the camera and send data out though the firewall to a system that the malware distributor controls. That's why you need to run anti-virus software, never open email attachments that you weren't expecting, and be careful about visiting dodgy web sites.

As for me, I also run ad blockers. A very common way of getting malware on to a computer is by criminals guessing the user passwords to advertising portals. Once in the account, they can piggy-back their own malicious code on the JavaScript normally served up by the advertising company.
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I just wear disguises when I'm using the computer or walking around the room that has my computer in it.

Plausible deniability and all that....
Meh. I just run around my place naked. It doesn't harm the camera, but if anyone else saw an image from it they'd have a worse day than I would...
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As for me, I also run ad blockers. A very common way of getting malware on to a computer is by criminals guessing the user passwords to advertising portals. Once in the account, they can piggy-back their own malicious code on the JavaScript normally served up by the advertising company.

It also helps to install a hosts file that redirects references to many ad servers to the howling ether.
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It also helps to install a hosts file that redirects references to many ad servers to the howling ether.

+1



That's exactly what I do. If only more people would do this ...
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It also helps to install a hosts file that redirects references to many ad servers to the howling ether.
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+1

That's exactly what I do. If only more people would do this ...
I do that as well. And I also run the Pi-hole Ad Blocker on my home server, which filters out a huge number of URLs (at the moment, about 115,000) for every internet connected device that uses it.
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Two good friends of mine had their cameras used against them.

Both of them (months apart from each other and unrelated incidents) received popups that were supposedly from the FBI. They claimed that they were caught downloading pirated software and that if they paid a fine of several hundred dollars they would not be arrested.

The popup featured a photo of themselves taken from their own computer as "evidence". Freaked them out.

I knew that one of these guys was not very careful on the internet - like dumb. Just not a computer guy. The other I was a bit more surprised about, but he's a conspiracy theorist of sorts so who knows where his web travels lead him.

So ya it does happen.
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I do that as well. And I also run the Pi-hole Ad Blocker on my home server, which filters out a huge number of URLs (at the moment, about 115,000) for every internet connected device that uses it.

Bookmarked for later. Thanks!
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There's that famous picture of facebook's Mark Zuckerberg:

https://i.imgur.com/1ckdByG.jpg

I guess he knows why he's doing it.
What is taped over in the lower circle?
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Hole punch vestiges. Preferably from a piece of black construction paper.



If you're on a Mac you can disable it.



https://www.macobserver.com/tips/mac...le-webcam-mac/





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You can disable it in Windows without having to do anything on a terminal: https://www.itsupportguides.com/know...webcam-camera/

I think however the point is if someone gets the equivalent to admin permissions on your laptop they can circumvent such software options.
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What is taped over in the lower circle?
A mic maybe.
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You can disable it in Windows without having to do anything on a terminal: https://www.itsupportguides.com/know...webcam-camera/

I think however the point is if someone gets the equivalent to admin permissions on your laptop they can circumvent such software options.

Yep. Tape will not fail.
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I love the fact that everyone here thinks that black material is essential to blocking a lens.

Opaque is all that is necessary.

Typical of the shadeism attitudes I’ve come to expect on ISF.
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I just spread a thin layer of petroleum jelly on the lens. It results in a very soft, dreamy and romantic look.
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Old 29th June 2019, 11:29 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
I love the fact that everyone here thinks that black material is essential to blocking a lens.

Opaque is all that is necessary.

Typical of the shadeism attitudes I’ve come to expect on ISF.
Shadeism???
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Old 30th June 2019, 02:59 AM   #36
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Yeah, surprised me too.
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The Camera Kill Switch is now being advertised as a computer feature.

Not sure if that link is the latest ad I just saw on a TV commercial, but you get the idea.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 12:33 AM   #38
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Heck if I was worried about someone stealing my face, I wouldn't have used FaceApp.
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