Continuation General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Throwing out EU-based laws is really stupid IMV as the laws were perfectly sound and voted through democratically by, er....the government.

Most of the ones that were implemented as UK legislation will have been Statutory Instruments made under section 2(2) of the European Communities Act 1972 so won’t generally have needed a vote. And EU regulations generally had direct effect without needing national implementation.

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Posted By:jimbob

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Darat

Problem for them is what I commented on a decade ago, there isn't any fat to get rid of, we've been cutting out muscles to make "efficency " savings for the last 12 years , indeed I've said before we've been cutting bones out.

And the pandering to the simplistic idea that the only costs are those that are immediately visible - so the impact of adding bureaucracy and administration (despite their complaints about bureaucracy) are completely ignored.

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Worm

Yep, Truss walking back the regional pay thing, claiming she's been 'misrepresented', when all people are doing is quoting her own press release.

....
Whiplash levels of U-turn there.

If others misrepresented her, the remedy is to correct the record and make clear exactly what her policy is. It is not to ditch a brilliant idea that would turn around the fortunes of the UK. Unless.......

[jimbob]

Check out the size of this contract

https://www.contractsfinder.service....rchResults&p=1

ETA, It's the potential work that could be generated by a consortium of councils so is actually OK

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Lothian

If others misrepresented her, the remedy is to correct the record and make clear exactly what her policy is. It is not to ditch a brilliant idea that would turn around the fortunes of the UK. Unless.......

SO UK politicians are just like US politicians...every time a policy proposol blows up in their face, they have been "misundertood" or "taken out of context".

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Most of the ones that were implemented as UK legislation will have been Statutory Instruments made under section 2(2) of the European Communities Act 1972 so won’t generally have needed a vote. And EU regulations generally had direct effect without needing national implementation.

Let's be clear. Truss is referring specifically to the UK Acts of Parliament albeit predicated on EU law, itself heavily influenced by the UK (I believe Boris Johnson's grandparent actually wrote some of these up as a Brussels bod), namely the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, as if they have been imposed on us unwillingly. She wants to get rid of workers rights and those bleedin' elf and safety acts which unreasonably prevents teachers from taking kids deep sea rafting for white sharks and character building'em. Truss is following the ERG script led by JRM. They are not talking about EU standards about the dimensions of nuts and bolts, except maybe doing away with pesky metrics and then there are those awful food standards stopping our brave entrepreneurs (a French word we need to get rid of by the way) from using sunset orange in Smarties. Let's get rid of all this EU crap and bring back common sense!

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by jimbob

And the pandering to the simplistic idea that the only costs are those that are immediately visible - so the impact of adding bureaucracy and administration (despite their complaints about bureaucracy) are completely ignored.

Quite: start Carrot Flower Queen running on how to set up, run, repair, modify with every daft change some manager or politician invents for no reason, keep up with tax and NI changes and...and...and...any large scale computerised payroll system, like the NHS one, all while using IT technology which is several years out of date, won't be replaced, just bodged, which will not keep up withh the memory and speed demands made on it when it is pushed into doing more and more and what the costs and consequences of that are...How long have you got?

Especially when the politicians and their stooges at Quarry House ****** up their best chance at simplifying and streamlining, thus making it cheaper to run, NHS payroll and HR by botching the implementation of Agenda for Change nearly 20 years ago.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO UK politicians are just like US politicians...every time a policy proposol blows up in their face, they have been "misundertood" or "taken out of context".

No - it's US politicians that are like UK politicians.

[Carrot Flower King]

Meanwhile, we have a strong entry in today's "Who is the Stupidest Tory?" competition from Brandon Lewis, who is a serial winner of this competition, with this gem - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ers-says-lewis

Seriously, Brandon, where was that £8.8 billion per year saving coming from without reductions in pay?

My Hanlon's Razor is getting pretty knackered cutting through all this nonsense, to the point that I am wondering which is stupidity and what is malice, bearing in mind that the 2 are not mutually exclusive...

[Filippo Lippi]

Adam Bienkov tweets

Quote:

Biggest interest rate rise for 25 years, energy bills through the roof, and the Bank of England say we're heading for a deep recession within months.

Meanwhile the PM has disappeared on holiday while his successors talk about 'woke' diversity training and gender neutral toilets.

It's a good job we let Johnson go up in that ******* Typhoon

[Darat]

Just read a good funny from Have I Got News -

New series of Big Brother receives 50 million applications after producers confirm that the house will have food and central heating.

[The Don]

Inflation is spiralling out of control.

The economy is likely to slip into recession later this year.

People are getting poorer.

The NHS is prostrate.

Strikes are affecting the majority of people.

And yet somehow none of this is the government's fault. The economic woes are all down to the governor of the Bank of England and the rest is down to unions and The Labour Party.

Meanwhile, the triple lock means that the blue rinse brigade will be relatively OK.

[SteveAitch]

Originally Posted by The Don

Meanwhile, the triple lock means that the blue rinse brigade will be relatively OK.

Assuming it survives, which is not certain.

Oh, and I don't have a blue rinse - this is my natural hair colour!

[jimbob]

https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/sta...2Z3mQ_a51PkIEg

Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: In a leaked video, Rishi Sunak boasted to Conservative Party members that he was prepared to take public money out of “deprived urban areas” to help wealthy towns.

@REWearmouth
reports:
https://t.co/uZMpjKm6rG

Not a fluffing of his lines but saying that he altered the funding formula "inherited from Labour" that put a load of funding "into deprived urban areas" which he was boasting about undoing

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by jimbob

https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/sta...2Z3mQ_a51PkIEg



Not a fluffing of his lines but saying that he altered the funding formula "inherited from Labour" that put a load of funding "into deprived urban areas" which he was boasting about undoing

I can see a Labour election campaign in the Red Wall

[The Don]

Originally Posted by jimbob

I can see a Labour election campaign in the Red Wall

Which will fail because the electorate there will be happy that there are now 10 food banks when under Labour there wasn't a single one.

[Nessie]

Sunak boasts to Tories in Tumbridge Wells how he has reversed Labour's policy "that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas" so that wealthy areas could get at the funding as well. So much for levelling up.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...ed-urban-areas

There is a paywall, so it is not clear when Sunak said that, but you can see the video of him saying it.

[Filippo Lippi]

Originally Posted by jimbob

https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/sta...2Z3mQ_a51PkIEg



Not a fluffing of his lines but saying that he altered the funding formula "inherited from Labour" that put a load of funding "into deprived urban areas" which he was boasting about undoing

Originally Posted by Nessie

Sunak boasts to Tories in Tumbridge Wells how he has reversed Labour's policy "that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas" so that wealthy areas could get at the funding as well. So much for levelling up.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...ed-urban-areas

There is a paywall, so it is not clear when Sunak said that, but you can see the video of him saying it.

He's Lawful Evil, not Stupid Evil like Truss

[Carrot Flower King]

Aaaaah, nevermind, there is always a useful idiot like Richard Holden (C, NW Durham - which includes such prosperous towns as Consett and Willington...) toclaim that Sunak is right...

Holden, another one of those who has never had a job outside of working for a political party...Oh, sorry he worked as a waiter for a short time...

[Carrot Flower King]

Oh, look - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tygate-inquiry - Tory party wants to cover its arse and stop even a half-hearted Commons investigation...

What ever happened to the party of Laura Norder? Poor Laura...

[Carrot Flower King]

And yet another amazing thing the Lib Dems have discovered once they are no longer part of a government - https://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-say-lib-dems

Gosh, Tim, how did you and your colleagues not spot this stuff when you were swanning around in your ministerial cars, collecting your ministerial salaries and expenses? Or has this all just magically happened since 2015 and you lot were out on your ears?

Anyone else remember us all being told that the private sector would be able to borrow money on the open financial markets in a way not available to publicly owned water companies and so fix all these sorts of problems like instantly? And how long ago was it we were told that? And how much did all your Orange Book types go along with the Tory sell offs?

**** off, Farron!

[Mojo]

I’ve just seen Boris on the telly, talking about “the spirit of service to other people”.

[The Don]

OFFs.

Today's Daily Express headline is "In Liz We Trust".

We're all ******

[Darat]

Originally Posted by The Don

OFFs.

Today's Daily Express headline is "In Liz We Trust".

We're all ******

I also trust Truss....

To screw everything up, to completely crash the UK economy, to....

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

And yet another amazing thing the Lib Dems have discovered once they are no longer part of a government - https://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-say-lib-dems

Gosh, Tim, how did you and your colleagues not spot this stuff when you were swanning around in your ministerial cars, collecting your ministerial salaries and expenses? Or has this all just magically happened since 2015 and you lot were out on your ears?

Anyone else remember us all being told that the private sector would be able to borrow money on the open financial markets in a way not available to publicly owned water companies and so fix all these sorts of problems like instantly? And how long ago was it we were told that? And how much did all your Orange Book types go along with the Tory sell offs?

**** off, Farron!

It's like all the stuff Jeremy Hunt has found out about NHS England and what needs to be done that he had no access to and couldn't possible have known in the 6 years he was the Health minister.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Darat

It's like all the stuff Jeremy Hunt has found out about NHS England and what needs to be done that he had no access to and couldn't possible have known in the 6 years he was the Health minister.

I have, indeed, mentioned Hunt's hypocrisy on these matters several times, as it was on his watch that my job, along with many other nurses, was "disappeared" and that internal trust memos to senior staff, self-included, were warning of 20% cuts to clinical budgets (no copies of these internal documents still exist that I know of, and I wasn't going to compromise myself any more than I already was by copying or forwarding to an external address), not to mention him being responsible for cutting numbers of medical and nursing trainees...Cuts which have been coming back to bite us recently, just as he was warned they would.

But somehow, he couldn't know about all that at the time...

Nor the encouraging of the whole "Bring me solutions, not problems!" culture, which encourages blame and silence down the hierarchy.

Really makes you wonder what government ministers actually do, what with the numbers of them who clearly had no idea what was happening in their own departments or in government as a whole.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Mojo

I’ve just seen Boris on the telly, talking about “the spirit of service to other people”.

No, you mis-heard: he was asking the waiting staff to serve spirits to other people.

Carrot Flower Queen wants to know if he has any Old Pulteney 21 year old hidden away, as they've stopped making it and she rather likes it...

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

No, you mis-heard: he was asking the waiting staff to serve spirits to other people.

Carrot Flower Queen wants to know if he has any Old Pulteney 21 year old hidden away, as they've stopped making it and she rather likes it...

You reckon Johnson would pass up any rather fine spirits to anyone else?

[Wildy]

Originally Posted by The Don

OFFs.

Today's Daily Express headline is "In Liz We Trust".

We're all ******

Originally Posted by Darat

I also trust Truss....

To screw everything up, to completely crash the UK economy, to....

Oh. I thought they were talking about direct rule from Her Majesty.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by jimbob

You reckon Johnson would pass up any rather fine spirits to anyone else?

I reckon he has no palate at all and something like that Old Pulteney would be wasted on him. Mind, CFQ reckons it's wasted on anyone but her.

[Mojo]

This week’s David Squires cartoon has Truss promising to not only bring back the classified football results, but also to “establish a league table system to identify the best and worst performing teams”.

[a_unique_person]

Now we see Boris cunning plan. Patterns to resign, put the alternatives on display, then come back to snatch victory when people realise it can only get worse.

[Filippo Lippi]

Boris Johnson is on holiday. Again. Second time in a fortnight. Someone has lied on Twitter claiming that footage has been that footage has been shown on Italian TV of him walking around a Greek supermarket and someone shouts "get back to work you fat ponce."

Hasn't stopped the phrase becoming a hashtag and going viral.

[Nessie]

I don't get the MPs on holiday moans. It is well known and well proven that people perform better at work when they are rested and get good days off and holidays.

Businesses and governments do not collapse when the head goes away, indeed, many places work better when the boss is not around (don't tell the boss!).

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Nessie

I don't get the MPs on holiday moans. It is well known and well proven that people perform better at work when they are rested and get good days off and holidays.

Businesses and governments do not collapse when the head goes away, indeed, many places work better when the boss is not around (don't tell the boss!).

True, but when millions of people are finding it very difficult simply making ends meet then it's less than ideal to see the leader of the government swanning around - likely at the expense of a donor.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Boris Johnson is on holiday. Again. Second time in a fortnight. Someone has lied on Twitter claiming that footage has been that footage has been shown on Italian TV of him walking around a Greek supermarket and someone shouts "get back to work you fat ponce."

Hasn't stopped the phrase becoming a hashtag and going viral.

Looks like it's another RS Archer invention

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Nessie

I don't get the MPs on holiday moans. It is well known and well proven that people perform better at work when they are rested and get good days off and holidays.

Businesses and governments do not collapse when the head goes away, indeed, many places work better when the boss is not around (don't tell the boss!).

When people take 2 weeks off they do come back refreshed. Boris has, as far as I can tell, not done any work for 108 weeks

[Filippo Lippi]

Adam Bienkov on Twitter

Quote:

Boris Johnson's spokesman says the PM will not have any engagements this week, despite Brandon Lewis suggesting he will work remotely.

Asked why he has taken two holidays in a row, rather than waiting until September, he replies that: "I don't have anything for you on that."

How Churchillian

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Nessie

I don't get the MPs on holiday moans. It is well known and well proven that people perform better at work when they are rested and get good days off and holidays.

Businesses and governments do not collapse when the head goes away, indeed, many places work better when the boss is not around (don't tell the boss!).

If only BlowJob hadn't blethered on about how he needed to stay in post and keep everything running smoothly...

[Francesca R]

Originally Posted by Nessie

I don't get the MPs on holiday moans. It is well known and well proven that people perform better at work when they are rested and get good days off and holidays.

A zombie/lame duck PM should probably just GTFO, no?