[Continuation] General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber - Page 3

Carrot Flower King · 24th August 2022, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Tbh I'm happy to buy beer in half litres as well. I already buy spirits in multiples of 25ml and Mrs Don is used to choosing between 175 and 250ml of vino collapso

Yeah, I just have an atavistic liking for pint glasses in pubs.

Obviously pretty much all beer at home comes in half or third litre cans or bottles.

Wine, in my mind, has always been SI; Carrot Flower Queen, who is the main sprits drinker, doesn't care what size a meassure is, as she is a Geordie with Scots and Irish ancestry (just to check all the clichés and stereotypes)...

Lothian · 24th August 2022, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses."

Thanks just done similar

Vixen · 24th August 2022, 11:30 AM

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Disgusting stuff!

wobs · 24th August 2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

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Disgusting stuff!

Mrs Wobs reports it doesn't taste the same anymore. We have some left over in the pantry. She is sad it has changed.

The Don · 24th August 2022, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by wobs

Mrs Wobs reports it doesn't taste the same anymore. We have some left over in the pantry. She is sad it has changed.

Likely less salt and fewer transfats.

Put some salt and lard in it and it'll be back to the taste she enjoyed

Carrot Flower King · 24th August 2022, 12:41 PM

And, of course, BlowJob, who just had to stay in post to ensure the smooth running of gubbmint, but can't/won't make any actual real proper decisions, is totally able to jaunt off to Kyiv yet again for yet another photo op with Zelenko...

FFS!

Lothian · 25th August 2022, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by wobs

Mrs Wobs reports it doesn't taste the same anymore. We have some left over in the pantry. She is sad it has changed.

Tell her that a dish similar to the original can be made using a potato.

Blue Bubble · 25th August 2022, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by wobs

Consultation on choice of units of measurements ends on the 26th:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ings-and-sales

Originally Posted by zooterkin

What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses."

I did the same. Sheer and utter insanity. I absolutely despair

wobs · 25th August 2022, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Tell her that a dish similar to the original can be made using a potato.

Not the same, according to Mrs Wobs.

Lothian · 25th August 2022, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by wobs

Not the same, according to Mrs Wobs.

Close runner up

KDLarsen · 25th August 2022, 02:41 AM

Sounds like Sunak is getting desperate, he's now appealing to the anti-lockdown ERG/CRG crowd by saying lockdown went on for too long, and how we shouldn't have empowered scientists.

The Don · 25th August 2022, 02:45 AM

GCSE results are out. Seems like the North/South divide is widening.

So much for levelling up

The Don · 25th August 2022, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Sounds like Sunak is getting desperate, he's now appealing to the anti-lockdown ERG/CRG crowd by saying lockdown went on for too long, and how we shouldn't have empowered scientists.

Well there would have been fewer Tory members to vote against him if Covid had been allowed to spread unfettered.

Mojo · 25th August 2022, 02:46 AM

Sunak says it was a mistake to ‘empower scientists’ during Covid pandemic

Quote:

Rishi Sunak has claimed that it was a mistake to “empower scientists” during the coronavirus pandemic and that his opposition to closing schools was met with silence during one meeting.

The Conservative leadership candidate believes one of the major errors was allowing the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) to have so much influence on decision making such as closing nurseries, schools and colleges in March 2020.

We’re back to Gove’s “people have had enough of experts”.

No evidence that public have ‘had enough of experts’, study finds

Mojo · 25th August 2022, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Sounds like Sunak is getting desperate, he's now appealing to the anti-lockdown ERG/CRG crowd by saying lockdown went on for too long, and how we shouldn't have empowered scientists.

He’s hoping that the Tory membership will feel that they’re being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture.

Carrot Flower King · 25th August 2022, 03:24 AM

Oh goody, leave schools open...Y'know, the biggest germ factories outside hospitals, which have the excuse of being full of sick people...

I lost count of the times over 30 odd years of working with bairns how many times I picked up flu or a chest infection by being coughed or sneezed on by someone's little dear who should not have been anywhere near where I was.

That would have been sooooo helpful in containing the spread of the virus.

The Don · 25th August 2022, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Oh goody, leave schools open...Y'know, the biggest germ factories outside hospitals, which have the excuse of being full of sick people...

I lost count of the times over 30 odd years of working with bairns how many times I picked up flu or a chest infection by being coughed or sneezed on by someone's little dear who should not have been anywhere near where I was.

That would have been sooooo helpful in containing the spread of the virus.

The thing is that the ERG types didn't want to contain the spread of the virus, they wanted to minimise the economic impact, to them, of the virus.

They consider that it would have been better to let the virus run its course through the population, weeding out the old and sick and that would have been far, far better than what would have happened. It would also have had the added bonus of completely crippling the NHS making it ripe for ~~privatisation~~ reform.

Of course it's a complete fantasy and massively downplays how effective the lockdowns and other precautions were, how many people died despite all the precautions and how shocking the death toll would have been - but they live in a fantasy world anyway, one where Brexit wasn't a terrible idea.

zooterkin · 25th August 2022, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

We’re back to Gove’s “people have had enough of experts”.

No evidence that public have ‘had enough of experts’, study finds

Was that study run by experts?

Darat · 25th August 2022, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses."

And talk about forced questions:

Quote:

3a. If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items (i) in imperial units? (ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?
In imperial units
In imperial units alongside a metric equivalent
Please explain further if you wish

Darat · 25th August 2022, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

...snip...

Of course it's a complete fantasy and massively downplays how effective the lockdowns and other precautions were, how many people died despite all the precautions and how shocking the death toll would have been - but they live in a fantasy world anyway, one where Brexit wasn't a terrible idea.

It's that's weird viewpoint - because something was effective shows it was all unnecessary as it wasn't as bad as they said it could have been. Akin to the view that all the talk about consequences of the Y2K bug were proven wrong....

The Don · 25th August 2022, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

It's that's weird viewpoint - because something was effective shows it was all unnecessary as it wasn't as bad as they said it could have been. Akin to the view that all the talk about consequences of the Y2K bug were proven wrong....

Yes, exactly like that.

As someone who spent a lot of time finding (and fixing) Y2k bugs, it makes me smile when I'm told that my efforts weren't needed.

Likewise, as a professional Project/Programme Manager, Mrs Don is often told by clients that her efforts were unnecessary because "nothing went wrong on the project"

Lothian · 25th August 2022, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Yes, exactly like that.

As someone who spent a lot of time finding (and fixing) Y2k bugs, it makes me smile when I'm told that my efforts weren't needed.

Likewise, as a professional Project/Programme Manager, Mrs Don is often told by clients that her efforts were unnecessary because "nothing went wrong on the project"

It didn't make a plane fall from the sky or shut down a building but we had a Y2K related glitch that wasn't picked up for a while that cost a lot of money.

Lothian · 25th August 2022, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

It's that's weird viewpoint - because something was effective shows it was all unnecessary as it wasn't as bad as they said it could have been. Akin to the view that all the talk about consequences of the Y2K bug were proven wrong....

On the other hand my elephant deterrent wrist band continues to successfully protect me from pachyderm attacks.

zooterkin · 25th August 2022, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Yes, exactly like that.

As someone who spent a lot of time finding (and fixing) Y2k bugs, it makes me smile when I'm told that my efforts weren't needed.

Likewise, as a professional Project/Programme Manager, Mrs Don is often told by clients that her efforts were unnecessary because "nothing went wrong on the project"

Exactly; I worked in support (after being in development and fixing some y2k bugs), and you got more recognition for fixing a problem that should never have happened than you did for making sure problems never happened in the first place.

Darat · 25th August 2022, 04:50 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ears-contracts

....Major energy firms are refusing to supply small businesses out of concern that they could go bust, while some are demanding £10,000 up front, business owners and industry experts have told the Guardian....

Matches up to my own experience - a friend of mine that has a small industrial unit on a small trading estate near here and they are thinking that if energy cost go up much more they are going to have to close their business. They rent their unit from the TE's management company who also supply the electricity, it's not the cheapest electricity but it's a typical set up for a small trading estate. Electric costs have almost doubled since this time last year. And it isn't even the TE ripping them off - the TE announced back in April that from June they would no longer be adding a "surcharge" to the unit cost.

The Don · 25th August 2022, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ears-contracts

....Major energy firms are refusing to supply small businesses out of concern that they could go bust, while some are demanding £10,000 up front, business owners and industry experts have told the Guardian....

Matches up to my own experience - a friend of mine that has a small industrial unit on a small trading estate near here and they are thinking that if energy cost go up much more they are going to have to close their business. They rent their unit from the TE's management company who also supply the electricity, it's not the cheapest electricity but it's a typical set up for a small trading estate. Electric costs have almost doubled since this time last year. And it isn't even the TE ripping them off - the TE announced back in April that from June they would no longer be adding a "surcharge" to the unit cost.

Our village shop is closing at the end of next month

It was doing OK, just about breaking even, but electricity costs have seen it off.

wobs · 25th August 2022, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ears-contracts

Link on the page finds an opinion that Truss would have to call an election sooner rather than later:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister

[sarcasm]Because we haven't had enough of this. [/sarcasm]

Carrot Flower King · 25th August 2022, 08:19 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-great-britain

We are screwed, aren't we?

(PS I was one of the next to no-one round here who was in favour of those wind turbines over ----> there and even wanted more of them, 'cos the wind blows more than it doesn't.)

GlennB · 25th August 2022, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-great-britain

We are screwed, aren't we?

(PS I was one of the next to no-one round here who was in favour of those wind turbines over ----> there and even wanted more of them, 'cos the wind blows more than it doesn't.)

We're so screwed I'm surprised anybody wants to be Prime Minister.

Ethan Thane Athen · 25th August 2022, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-great-britain

We are screwed, aren't we?

(PS I was one of the next to no-one round here who was in favour of those wind turbines over ----> there and even wanted more of them, 'cos the wind blows more than it doesn't.)

I actually find wind turbines and solar farms aesthetically pleasing, let alone the renewable energy considerations. I can understand some noise concerns if a turbine were right next to your house but field of turbines on the next mountain? Not just no problem, actually looks way cool!

On a similar note, I remember reading an article on solar panels that had been developed that not only would work in rain but could draw extra power from it - now that would put Wales at the centre of green energy production! Powered by drizzle - never run out!

Back to the depressing stuff, saw an interview a while back with Tory party members who will be selecting our next PM and one quite happily said 'I'm of an age now where I couldn't give a toss about the sustainability of the planet, I just want to enjoy my life now'. On one level, you have to admire the honesty of someone basically admitting on camera 'Yes, I'm a complete ****'...on the other hand, **** me!

Carrot Flower King · 25th August 2022, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen

I actually find wind turbines and solar farms aesthetically pleasing, let alone the renewable energy considerations. I can understand some noise concerns if a turbine were right next to your house but field of turbines on the next mountain? Not just no problem, actually looks way cool!

On a similar note, I remember reading an article on solar panels that had been developed that not only would work in rain but could draw extra power from it - now that would put Wales at the centre of green energy production! Powered by drizzle - never run out!

Back to the depressing stuff, saw an interview a while back with Tory party members who will be selecting our next PM and one quite happily said 'I'm of an age now where I couldn't give a toss about the sustainability of the planet, I just want to enjoy my life now'. On one level, you have to admire the honesty of someone basically admitting on camera 'Yes, I'm a complete ****'...on the other hand, **** me!

I bet they thought that way since forever, and back in the 70s would have thought that the likes of teenage me, doing conservation work and being involved in various political campaigns of a proto-green nature, was some sort of dangerous lunatic.

Darat · 25th August 2022, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen

I actually find wind turbines and solar farms aesthetically pleasing, let alone the renewable energy considerations. I can understand some noise concerns if a turbine were right next to your house but field of turbines on the next mountain? Not just no problem, actually looks way cool!

On a similar note, I remember reading an article on solar panels that had been developed that not only would work in rain but could draw extra power from it - now that would put Wales at the centre of green energy production! Powered by drizzle - never run out!

Back to the depressing stuff, saw an interview a while back with Tory party members who will be selecting our next PM and one quite happily said 'I'm of an age now where I couldn't give a toss about the sustainability of the planet, I just want to enjoy my life now'. On one level, you have to admire the honesty of someone basically admitting on camera 'Yes, I'm a complete ****'...on the other hand, **** me!

Give it a hundred years and people will be campaigning to leave our heritage alone and don’t pull down the turbines.

P.J. Denyer · 25th August 2022, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

We're so screwed I'm surprised anybody wants to be Prime Minister.

I think they know they're going to be out of power for a while and want to take the chance to have been Prime Minister while the window is still open.

wobs · 25th August 2022, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Give it a hundred years and people will be campaigning to leave our heritage alone and don’t pull down the turbines.

Well I think some people were kind of sad that the Fylingdales golf balls were taken down after only a few decades.

dudalb · 25th August 2022, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses."

It amazes me that so many in Britian just do not want to accept the reality that the UK is part of Europe.

dudalb · 25th August 2022, 01:43 PM

At times I think the Brixeters simply don't get that Queen VIctoria is dead, and the British Empire no longer exists, which makes it impossbile to turn the clock back to 1900.

dudalb · 25th August 2022, 01:45 PM

So Truss looks like a shoo in winner.
TOries are really that hard up for leaders.

Mojo · 25th August 2022, 03:13 PM

Woman confronts Steve Barclay on NHS outside hospital

Quote:

”Well don’t you think 12 years is long enough?”

Carrot Flower King · 26th August 2022, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It amazes me that so many in Britian just do not want to accept the reality that the UK is part of Europe.

This, and your other comment, are very close to the truth: there is a strong strain of, especially, English exceptionalism, which overrides geography (ie where this archipelago actually is) and wants to do the same to history (ignoring inconvenient facts like the Empire was already screwed while Victoria was still alive and became progressively more so as the 20th century developed).

The Don · 26th August 2022, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It amazes me that so many in Britian just do not want to accept the reality that the UK is part of Europe.

The apocryphal headline "Fog in Channel - Europe cut off" neatly encapsulates this IMO.

24th August 2022, 10:24 AM	#81
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,726	Originally Posted by The Don Tbh I'm happy to buy beer in half litres as well. I already buy spirits in multiples of 25ml and Mrs Don is used to choosing between 175 and 250ml of vino collapso Yeah, I just have an atavistic liking for pint glasses in pubs. Obviously pretty much all beer at home comes in half or third litre cans or bottles. Wine, in my mind, has always been SI; Carrot Flower Queen, who is the main sprits drinker, doesn't care what size a meassure is, as she is a Geordie with Scots and Irish ancestry (just to check all the clichés and stereotypes)...
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25th August 2022, 01:10 AM	#88
Blue Bubble Sharper than a thorn Join Date: May 2005 Location: Duxford, Cambridgeshire, UK Posts: 5,447	Originally Posted by wobs Consultation on choice of units of measurements ends on the 26th: https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...ings-and-sales Originally Posted by zooterkin What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses." I did the same. Sheer and utter insanity. I absolutely despair
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25th August 2022, 01:23 AM	#89
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,963	Originally Posted by Lothian Tell her that a dish similar to the original can be made using a potato. Not the same, according to Mrs Wobs.
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25th August 2022, 02:41 AM	#91
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,879	Sounds like Sunak is getting desperate, he's now appealing to the anti-lockdown ERG/CRG crowd by saying lockdown went on for too long, and how we shouldn't have empowered scientists.
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25th August 2022, 02:46 AM	#94
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,079	Sunak says it was a mistake to ‘empower scientists’ during Covid pandemic Quote: Rishi Sunak has claimed that it was a mistake to “empower scientists” during the coronavirus pandemic and that his opposition to closing schools was met with silence during one meeting. The Conservative leadership candidate believes one of the major errors was allowing the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) to have so much influence on decision making such as closing nurseries, schools and colleges in March 2020. We’re back to Gove’s “people have had enough of experts”. No evidence that public have ‘had enough of experts’, study finds
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24th August 2022, 10:51 AM	#82
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,597	Originally Posted by zooterkin What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses." Thanks just done similar

24th August 2022, 12:14 PM	#85
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,612	Originally Posted by wobs Mrs Wobs reports it doesn't taste the same anymore. We have some left over in the pantry. She is sad it has changed. Likely less salt and fewer transfats. Put some salt and lard in it and it'll be back to the taste she enjoyed

24th August 2022, 12:41 PM	#86
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,726	And, of course, BlowJob, who just had to stay in post to ensure the smooth running of gubbmint, but can't/won't make any actual real proper decisions, is totally able to jaunt off to Kyiv yet again for yet another photo op with Zelenko... FFS!

25th August 2022, 12:56 AM	#87
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,597	Originally Posted by wobs Mrs Wobs reports it doesn't taste the same anymore. We have some left over in the pantry. She is sad it has changed. Tell her that a dish similar to the original can be made using a potato.

25th August 2022, 01:36 AM	#90
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,597	Originally Posted by wobs Not the same, according to Mrs Wobs. Close runner up

25th August 2022, 02:45 AM	#92
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,612	GCSE results are out. Seems like the North/South divide is widening. So much for levelling up

25th August 2022, 02:46 AM	#93
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,612	Originally Posted by KDLarsen Sounds like Sunak is getting desperate, he's now appealing to the anti-lockdown ERG/CRG crowd by saying lockdown went on for too long, and how we shouldn't have empowered scientists. Well there would have been fewer Tory members to vote against him if Covid had been allowed to spread unfettered.

25th August 2022, 02:57 AM	#95
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 37,079	Originally Posted by KDLarsen Sounds like Sunak is getting desperate, he's now appealing to the anti-lockdown ERG/CRG crowd by saying lockdown went on for too long, and how we shouldn't have empowered scientists. He’s hoping that the Tory membership will feel that they’re being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture.
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25th August 2022, 03:24 AM	#96
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,726	Oh goody, leave schools open...Y'know, the biggest germ factories outside hospitals, which have the excuse of being full of sick people... I lost count of the times over 30 odd years of working with bairns how many times I picked up flu or a chest infection by being coughed or sneezed on by someone's little dear who should not have been anywhere near where I was. That would have been sooooo helpful in containing the spread of the virus.

25th August 2022, 03:30 AM	#97
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,612	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Oh goody, leave schools open...Y'know, the biggest germ factories outside hospitals, which have the excuse of being full of sick people... I lost count of the times over 30 odd years of working with bairns how many times I picked up flu or a chest infection by being coughed or sneezed on by someone's little dear who should not have been anywhere near where I was. That would have been sooooo helpful in containing the spread of the virus. The thing is that the ERG types didn't want to contain the spread of the virus, they wanted to minimise the economic impact, to them, of the virus. They consider that it would have been better to let the virus run its course through the population, weeding out the old and sick and that would have been far, far better than what would have happened. It would also have had the added bonus of completely crippling the NHS making it ripe for ~~privatisation~~ reform. Of course it's a complete fantasy and massively downplays how effective the lockdowns and other precautions were, how many people died despite all the precautions and how shocking the death toll would have been - but they live in a fantasy world anyway, one where Brexit wasn't a terrible idea.

25th August 2022, 03:33 AM	#98
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25th August 2022, 03:57 AM	#99
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,588	Originally Posted by zooterkin What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses." And talk about forced questions: Quote: 3a. If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items (i) in imperial units? (ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent? In imperial units In imperial units alongside a metric equivalent Please explain further if you wish
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25th August 2022, 04:03 AM	#100
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,588	Originally Posted by The Don ...snip... Of course it's a complete fantasy and massively downplays how effective the lockdowns and other precautions were, how many people died despite all the precautions and how shocking the death toll would have been - but they live in a fantasy world anyway, one where Brexit wasn't a terrible idea. It's that's weird viewpoint - because something was effective shows it was all unnecessary as it wasn't as bad as they said it could have been. Akin to the view that all the talk about consequences of the Y2K bug were proven wrong....
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25th August 2022, 04:20 AM	#101
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,612	Originally Posted by Darat It's that's weird viewpoint - because something was effective shows it was all unnecessary as it wasn't as bad as they said it could have been. Akin to the view that all the talk about consequences of the Y2K bug were proven wrong.... Yes, exactly like that. As someone who spent a lot of time finding (and fixing) Y2k bugs, it makes me smile when I'm told that my efforts weren't needed. Likewise, as a professional Project/Programme Manager, Mrs Don is often told by clients that her efforts were unnecessary because "nothing went wrong on the project"

25th August 2022, 04:31 AM	#102
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,597	Originally Posted by The Don Yes, exactly like that. As someone who spent a lot of time finding (and fixing) Y2k bugs, it makes me smile when I'm told that my efforts weren't needed. Likewise, as a professional Project/Programme Manager, Mrs Don is often told by clients that her efforts were unnecessary because "nothing went wrong on the project" It didn't make a plane fall from the sky or shut down a building but we had a Y2K related glitch that wasn't picked up for a while that cost a lot of money.

25th August 2022, 04:34 AM	#103
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,597	Originally Posted by Darat It's that's weird viewpoint - because something was effective shows it was all unnecessary as it wasn't as bad as they said it could have been. Akin to the view that all the talk about consequences of the Y2K bug were proven wrong.... On the other hand my elephant deterrent wrist band continues to successfully protect me from pachyderm attacks.

25th August 2022, 04:40 AM	#104
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 55,816	Originally Posted by The Don Yes, exactly like that. As someone who spent a lot of time finding (and fixing) Y2k bugs, it makes me smile when I'm told that my efforts weren't needed. Likewise, as a professional Project/Programme Manager, Mrs Don is often told by clients that her efforts were unnecessary because "nothing went wrong on the project" Exactly; I worked in support (after being in development and fixing some y2k bugs), and you got more recognition for fixing a problem that should never have happened than you did for making sure problems never happened in the first place.
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25th August 2022, 04:50 AM	#105
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,588	https://www.theguardian.com/business...ears-contracts ....Major energy firms are refusing to supply small businesses out of concern that they could go bust, while some are demanding £10,000 up front, business owners and industry experts have told the Guardian.... Matches up to my own experience - a friend of mine that has a small industrial unit on a small trading estate near here and they are thinking that if energy cost go up much more they are going to have to close their business. They rent their unit from the TE's management company who also supply the electricity, it's not the cheapest electricity but it's a typical set up for a small trading estate. Electric costs have almost doubled since this time last year. And it isn't even the TE ripping them off - the TE announced back in April that from June they would no longer be adding a "surcharge" to the unit cost.
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25th August 2022, 05:23 AM	#106
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,612	Originally Posted by Darat https://www.theguardian.com/business...ears-contracts ....Major energy firms are refusing to supply small businesses out of concern that they could go bust, while some are demanding £10,000 up front, business owners and industry experts have told the Guardian.... Matches up to my own experience - a friend of mine that has a small industrial unit on a small trading estate near here and they are thinking that if energy cost go up much more they are going to have to close their business. They rent their unit from the TE's management company who also supply the electricity, it's not the cheapest electricity but it's a typical set up for a small trading estate. Electric costs have almost doubled since this time last year. And it isn't even the TE ripping them off - the TE announced back in April that from June they would no longer be adding a "surcharge" to the unit cost. Our village shop is closing at the end of next month It was doing OK, just about breaking even, but electricity costs have seen it off.

25th August 2022, 05:41 AM	#107
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,963	Originally Posted by Darat https://www.theguardian.com/business...ears-contracts Link on the page finds an opinion that Truss would have to call an election sooner rather than later: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister [sarcasm]Because we haven't had enough of this. [/sarcasm]
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25th August 2022, 08:19 AM	#108
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,726	https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-great-britain We are screwed, aren't we? (PS I was one of the next to no-one round here who was in favour of those wind turbines over ----> there and even wanted more of them, 'cos the wind blows more than it doesn't.)

25th August 2022, 09:06 AM	#109
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 29,715	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-great-britain We are screwed, aren't we? (PS I was one of the next to no-one round here who was in favour of those wind turbines over ----> there and even wanted more of them, 'cos the wind blows more than it doesn't.) We're so screwed I'm surprised anybody wants to be Prime Minister.
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25th August 2022, 09:16 AM	#110
Ethan Thane Athen Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,765	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-great-britain We are screwed, aren't we? (PS I was one of the next to no-one round here who was in favour of those wind turbines over ----> there and even wanted more of them, 'cos the wind blows more than it doesn't.) I actually find wind turbines and solar farms aesthetically pleasing, let alone the renewable energy considerations. I can understand some noise concerns if a turbine were right next to your house but field of turbines on the next mountain? Not just no problem, actually looks way cool! On a similar note, I remember reading an article on solar panels that had been developed that not only would work in rain but could draw extra power from it - now that would put Wales at the centre of green energy production! Powered by drizzle - never run out! Back to the depressing stuff, saw an interview a while back with Tory party members who will be selecting our next PM and one quite happily said 'I'm of an age now where I couldn't give a toss about the sustainability of the planet, I just want to enjoy my life now'. On one level, you have to admire the honesty of someone basically admitting on camera 'Yes, I'm a complete **'...on the other hand, ** me!

25th August 2022, 10:42 AM	#111
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,726	Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen I actually find wind turbines and solar farms aesthetically pleasing, let alone the renewable energy considerations. I can understand some noise concerns if a turbine were right next to your house but field of turbines on the next mountain? Not just no problem, actually looks way cool! On a similar note, I remember reading an article on solar panels that had been developed that not only would work in rain but could draw extra power from it - now that would put Wales at the centre of green energy production! Powered by drizzle - never run out! Back to the depressing stuff, saw an interview a while back with Tory party members who will be selecting our next PM and *one quite happily said 'I'm of an age now where I couldn't give a toss about the sustainability of the planet, I just want to enjoy my life now'.* On one level, you have to admire the honesty of someone basically admitting on camera 'Yes, I'm a complete **'...on the other hand, ** me! I bet they thought that way since forever, and back in the 70s would have thought that the likes of teenage me, doing conservation work and being involved in various political campaigns of a proto-green nature, was some sort of dangerous lunatic.

25th August 2022, 11:11 AM	#112
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,588	Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen I actually find wind turbines and solar farms aesthetically pleasing, let alone the renewable energy considerations. I can understand some noise concerns if a turbine were right next to your house but field of turbines on the next mountain? Not just no problem, actually looks way cool! On a similar note, I remember reading an article on solar panels that had been developed that not only would work in rain but could draw extra power from it - now that would put Wales at the centre of green energy production! Powered by drizzle - never run out! Back to the depressing stuff, saw an interview a while back with Tory party members who will be selecting our next PM and one quite happily said 'I'm of an age now where I couldn't give a toss about the sustainability of the planet, I just want to enjoy my life now'. On one level, you have to admire the honesty of someone basically admitting on camera 'Yes, I'm a complete **'...on the other hand, ** me! Give it a hundred years and people will be campaigning to leave our heritage alone and don’t pull down the turbines.
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25th August 2022, 12:20 PM	#113
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,142	Originally Posted by GlennB We're so screwed I'm surprised anybody wants to be Prime Minister. I think they know they're going to be out of power for a while and want to take the chance to have been Prime Minister while the window is still open.
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25th August 2022, 12:42 PM	#114
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,963	Originally Posted by Darat Give it a hundred years and people will be campaigning to leave our heritage alone and don’t pull down the turbines. Well I think some people were kind of sad that the Fylingdales golf balls were taken down after only a few decades.
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25th August 2022, 01:40 PM	#115
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by zooterkin What a ******* waste of time the whole idea is. I just completed that, and I'm not sure how I managed to avoid swearing. I did copy and paste the following in most of the answer boxes, along with specific answers in some cases. "There is no need for a choice, metric measures are nearly universally used, and most of the population understand them. Introducing something which only those over 55 have any memory of is wasteful and will cost British business billions of pounds in export losses." It amazes me that so many in Britian just do not want to accept the reality that the UK is part of Europe.
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25th August 2022, 01:43 PM	#116
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	At times I think the Brixeters simply don't get that Queen VIctoria is dead, and the British Empire no longer exists, which makes it impossbile to turn the clock back to 1900.
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25th August 2022, 01:45 PM	#117
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	So Truss looks like a shoo in winner. TOries are really that hard up for leaders.
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