Bill Barr and his October Surprise - Page 35

JoeMorgue · 28th October 2020, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

This is a pitiful attempt to distract that a poster here attributed a position to me that I obviously never made. There are pages and pages of a discussion about the claims regarding the laptop.

You didn't make up the lie.
You shared it.
You spread it.
You perpetrated it.
And you attacked people who doubted it.

wareyin · 28th October 2020, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Now link to me defending the claim that there is child porn on the laptop. Since your last claim has been debunked.

Nope. The thread is here for all to read.

Honestly, I expected you would take the tack of huffily declaring it was just sexually inappropriate pictures, not porn! I didn't expect you to just deny it all.

So, guess I will ask: when you jumped in here to laugh at everyone doubting this story and report how Giuliani had dropped off the laptop with the Delaware PD for child porn, did you believe he was lying or telling the truth? When you argued that the FBI having this info for 10 months without doing anything didn't mean anything it could still be true, were you defending the claim and did you still believe the claim at that time? Do you still believe it?

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

You didn't make up the lie.
You shared it.
You spread it.
You perpetrated it.
And you attacked people who doubted it.

Link to me attacking someone who doubted there was child porn on the laptop, or defending the claim there was child porn on it. The post speaks for itself. "Giuliani goes there," the claim, "Don't shoot the messenger."

JoeMorgue · 28th October 2020, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Link to me attacking someone who doubted there was child porn on the laptop.

No. You'll just deny it like you deny everything. The thread is here for everyone to read, I'm not playing the "Show me where I said that!" game with you.

And you notice neither is anyone else.

We all know this game.

And I notice you didn't deny knowingly spreading falsehoods, you just latched onto the one statement you thought you could stall the discussion out with by giving people a fetch quest to complete. Very transparent.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by wareyin

Nope. The thread is here for all to read.

Honestly, I expected you would take the tack of huffily declaring it was just sexually inappropriate pictures, not porn! I didn't expect you to just deny it all.

So, guess I will ask: when you jumped in here to laugh at everyone doubting this story and report how Giuliani had dropped off the laptop with the Delaware PD for child porn, did you believe he was lying or telling the truth? When you argued that the FBI having this info for 10 months without doing anything didn't mean anything it could still be true, were you defending the claim and did you still believe the claim at that time? Do you still believe it?

I notice there is no link in there which shows me attacking someone doubting there is child porn on the laptop. And there is no link in there of me defending the claim of child porn on the laptop either. Back up your claim.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

No. You'll just deny it like you deny everything. The thread is here for everyone to read, I'm not playing the "Show me where I said that!" game with you.

And you notice neither is anyone else.

We all know this game.

And I notice you didn't deny knowingly spreading falsehoods, you just latched onto the one statement you thought you could stall the discussion out with by giving people a fetch quest to complete. Very transparent.

No, because you can't, because it never happened.

JoeMorgue · 28th October 2020, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

I notice there is no link in there which shows me attacking someone doubting there is child porn on the laptop. And there is no link in there of me defending the claim of child porn on the laptop either. Back up your claim.

Okay here's a link. It's in the thread called "Bill Barr and his October Surprise" on the International Skeptic Forums message board. You can find it with Google.

Stop trying to get out of being arguing into a corner by giving us fetch quests to complete that we both know you'll just deny when we complete anyway.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

No. You'll just deny it like you deny everything. The thread is here for everyone to read, I'm not playing the "Show me where I said that!" game with you.

And you notice neither is anyone else.

We all know this game.

And I notice you didn't deny knowingly spreading falsehoods, you just latched onto the one statement you thought you could stall the discussion out with by giving people a fetch quest to complete. Very transparent.

"Neither is anyone else" because it never happened. If it had, you would discredit me unequivocally. That you can't, only discredits you and others who made the claim.

JoeMorgue · 28th October 2020, 10:10 AM

So yeah this is a nothingburger. And it's not working. Trump wanted this to be his "Comey Letter" for this election and it frizzled out at best, backfired at worst.

Bogative · 28th October 2020, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Not that poster, who believes most mass shooters are black.

They are, according to the New York Times.

JoeMorgue · 28th October 2020, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

"Neither is anyone else" because it never happened. If it had, you would discredit me unequivocally. That you can't, only discredits you and others who made the claim.

I'm comfortable with anyone reading this thread and judging my credibility.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Okay here's a link. It's in the thread called "Bill Barr and his October Surprise" on the International Skeptic Forums message board. You can find it with Google.

Stop trying to get out of being arguing into a corner by giving us fetch quests to complete that we both know you'll just deny when we complete anyway.

Haha cop out. You can't cite, and you can't quote it, because it never happened. You aren't helping yourself by going down this road. You're losing credibility by the post.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I'm comfortable with anyone reading this thread and judging my credibility.

Same here, they all see that I never attacked anyone for doubting the claim of child porn on the laptop, and they can see I never supported the claim. They also see the ones here claiming the opposite and that you can't cite to support your claim.

Bogative · 28th October 2020, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Do you actually read that as an admission by Hunter of bad things rather than Hunter calling out someone making up BS about him? Weird.

The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. So, yeah, I think I will remain skeptical about Hunter's claims of someone making up BS for the time being.

Dr. Keith · 28th October 2020, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Bogative

The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. So, yeah, I think I will remain skeptical about Hunter's claims of someone making up BS for the time being.

That must have been very exciting for you.

I can't imagine there are very many pictures of drug addicts being stupid in this world. It is really amazing that "the gatewaypundit" was able to find one. Next they'll have a rare photo of a kitty being adorable.

All sarcasm aside, I will not vote for Hunter or the kitty.

TheL8Elvis · 28th October 2020, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bogative

The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. So, yeah, I think I will remain skeptical about Hunter's claims of someone making up BS for the time being.

Yup, so ... still not voting for hunter.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by wareyin

So, guess I will ask: when you jumped in here to laugh at everyone doubting this story and report how Giuliani had dropped off the laptop with the Delaware PD for child porn, did you believe he was lying or telling the truth? When you argued that the FBI having this info for 10 months without doing anything didn't mean anything it could still be true, were you defending the claim and did you still believe the claim at that time? Do you still believe it?

1. He did drop the laptop off

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/

2. How do you know the FBI isn't doing anything?

3. Do I still believe what?

I notice you still won't back up the claim that I attacked posters here for doubting or rejecting the claim of child porn on the laptop)hard drive), or of me supporting or believing the claim of child porn on the laptop. Also, because you have not backed up your claim(because you can't) shouldn't you retract the claim? Or are you comfortable being openly dishonest?

Minoosh · 28th October 2020, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bogative

The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor.

"Is claimed" by whom?

From Gateway Pundit:''

Quote:

In another text message from Hunter to a family friend, Hunter shares that his mother, Jill Biden,

Jill Biden is not Hunter's mother. Kind of a big honking error IMO.

I've lost track, how did these texts come to light?

Bogative · 28th October 2020, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Edit, and a quick google shows that the tapes were uploaded in China to a website owned by Guo Wengui and Steve Bannon. If the tape isn't a fake then I'm literally a monkey's uncle.

Tapes. By my count there are six videos where Hunter's face is clearly visible and one where only his body can be seen. However, the person in the video is wearing the same bracelets, ring and necklaces that Hunter has been on video and in photos wearing also. I guess you could claim fakery on that as well but it would be awful strange for the Russians to hire a body double to fake another porn video of Hunter because the first 6 weren't enough?

There are also dozens of photos now. You could claim that a handful of them are fake because the header data says they were taken in the District of Columbia, Maryland and Delaware. Everybody knows that Hunter lives in California so for some reason it's impossible for him to be anywhere other than California.

varwoche · 28th October 2020, 10:46 AM

I shall now point out the error in your thinking.

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Why would anyone trust Tucker when Fox says you can not trust Tucker?

U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."

The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

Minoosh · 28th October 2020, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

1. He did drop the laptop off

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/

That article, from last week and already discussed, does not say Hunter dropped the laptop off.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

That article, from last week and already discussed, does not say Hunter dropped the laptop off.

The context was Rudy dropping the laptop/drive/copy to the New Castle County PD.

Minoosh · 28th October 2020, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I can't imagine there are very many pictures of drug addicts being stupid in this world. It is really amazing that "the gatewaypundit" was able to find one.

I love how they blurred the photo with alarming red scratchy marks. Much scarier than simply pixilating.

I admire how Joe is staying on message.

Minoosh · 28th October 2020, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

The context was Rudy dropping the laptop/drive/copy to the New Castle County PD.

OK, my bad. But the lie alleged wasn't about whether Rudy dropped off the "laptop." It was about how he characterized the contents.

wareyin · 28th October 2020, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

1. He did drop the laptop off

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/

2. How do you know the FBI isn't doing anything?

3. Do I still believe what?

I notice you still won't back up the claim that I attacked posters here for doubting or rejecting the claim of child porn on the laptop)hard drive), or of me supporting or believing the claim of child porn on the laptop. Also, because you have not backed up your claim(because you can't) shouldn't you retract the claim? Or are you comfortable being openly dishonest?

I'm comfortable with not playing an endless game of fetch for you when your first attempt backfired in your face.

You do get that your JAQ 2. is you defending the claim, right? You're literally doing it in the very post where you demand I prove you're doing it.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by wareyin

I'm comfortable with not playing an endless game of fetch for you when your first attempt backfired in your face.

You do get that your JAQ 2. is you defending the claim, right? You're literally doing it in the very post where you demand I prove you're doing it.

Nothing backfired in my face, have you looked in a mirror? Your face is charred from making a claim you can't support. You can't seem to differentiate between me posting what someone else claims, and my claims. The cite provided for me accepting as true the claim that there is child porn on the laptop/drive/copy does no such thing, nor does it support me attacking anyone who doubts the claim.

The only reason it's endless is because you keep making claims you can't support because they aren't true. Citing me supporting the child porn claim or attacking one who doubts it would end it. You can't, and I'll keep reminding people of that.

"You're literally doing it in the very post where you demand I prove you're doing it."

Wrong, it's a comprehension problem on your part if you think that.

Cite me supporting the claim that there is child porn on the laptop/drive/copy, or cite me attacking someone doubting the claim of child porn on the laptop/drive/copy. Otherwise you will continue to look dishonest. Or, you know......you can retract the erroneous claim.

Bogative · 28th October 2020, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

"Is claimed" by whom?

Several people who have seen the hard drive.

Quote:

From Gateway Pundit:''

Jill Biden is not Hunter's mother. Kind of a big honking error IMO.

Well that's it, everything else is fake because the gatewaypundit said "mom" instead of "stepmom."
Also…

Quote:

In another touching memory, Biden wrote that one time, a fact-checker called his office in a state of confusion about a story that was soon to be published. The fact-checker knew that Neilia had passed away, but when she asked Beau and Hunter about their "stepmom," they replied, "Oh, no. We don't have a stepmom," as Joe recalled in Promises to Keep.

Biden heartfully concluded, "Beau and Hunter had long since made their choice: Jill was Mom."

Link

Quote:

I've lost track, how did these texts come to light?

From the computer hard drive of a well-known junkie who was dragged all around the world by his daddy on Air Force 2.

Foggy of the Fogbow · 28th October 2020, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

This is a pitiful attempt to distract that a poster here attributed a position to me that I obviously never made. There are pages and pages of a discussion about the claims regarding the laptop.

Sometimes, you know, people are able to stop saying "That's not my position! That was falsely attributed to me as my position that I obviously never made!"

And then, in a spasm of actual honesty, they can tell us what their position actually is. Like, y'know, do they believe the actual smear? Do they really believe that Hunter Biden travelled 3,000 miles from his home to give a few laptops to a blind Trump supporter? Do they understand that Giuliani stuck his hand down his pants because he didn't want to get an erection with his penis folded over (ouch, that can be really painful, I know that from personal experience).

Sometimes I wonder, if you're making a lot of noise that people falsely attributed a position you never made, maybe you could tell us what your actual position IS.

For example, my position is that they don't have any laptop computers at all that belonged to Hunter Biden, the whole thing is a dirty fraud that was intended to be an October Surprise, the fraud folded like a penis in cheap underwear, and the only real Trump supporters remaining support Trump because of his racism and cruelty. Prove me wrong.

JoeMorgue · 28th October 2020, 11:38 AM

People who have argued themselves into a corner always want to talk a lot about what their position isn't and never about what their position is.

I'll assume this will be more of the same until proven otherwise.

Babbylonian · 28th October 2020, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Bogative

Well that's it, everything else is fake because the gatewaypundit said "mom" instead of "stepmom."

It's nobody else's fault that you rely on a garbage source for your garbage information.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

People who have argued themselves into a corner always want to talk a lot about what their position isn't and never about what their position is.

I'll assume this will be more of the same until proven otherwise.

Conversely, some people wait to see all there is without rejecting or supporting. It's a developing story.

I've actually posted things which tend to support something shady with regard to the release. People have construed my position into support of everything re the laptop/drive/copy. They ignored what I handed them on a silver platter, and attacked me without considering the content of what I posted, if they even bothered to look at it.

kookbreaker · 28th October 2020, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

It's nobody else's fault that you rely on a garbage source for your garbage information.

Hey, Gateway Pundit only bought into Jacob Wohl's Mueller sex scandal, why would they be considered unreliable in the least? Don't shoot the messenger man....

Elagabalus · 28th October 2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Well yeah but that doesn't matter, or at least doesn't matter as much as it should.

This was a smear job, not an actual investigation. So no matter how much it gets disproven now the cult members will still believe it and at least some more mainstream voters now still have a mental connection between Biden and something shady.

I'm starting to think that one of those Russian broads who Hunter was hanging out with in LA probably slipped him a Michael Finn and took the photo with an incapacitated Hunter and the crack pipe.

dirtywick · 28th October 2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Conversely, some people wait to see all there is without rejecting or supporting. It's a developing story.

I've actually posted things which tend to support something shady with regard to the release. People have construed my position into support of everything re the laptop/drive/copy. They ignored what I handed them on a silver platter, and attacked me without considering the content of what I posted, if they even bothered to look at it.

Oh god, I wonder how people got that impression. Must be everyone else and not you at all.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

People who have argued themselves into a corner always want to talk a lot about what their position isn't and never about what their position is.

I'll assume this will be more of the same until proven otherwise.

Your position is I attacked those who doubt the claim of child porn on the laptop and that I believed the claim of child porn on the laptop. No evidence forthcoming on your claim, nor will there be because you made it up. How's that corner behind you? Not much room, you're jammed in there pretty tight. A retraction on your claim would go a long way to showing honesty on your part.

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

Oh god, I wonder how people got that impression. Must be everyone else and not you at all.

Not everyone, certain posters who outright lie about what I've said, yes.

kookbreaker · 28th October 2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Conversely, some people wait to see all there is without rejecting or supporting. It's a developing story.

I've actually posted things which tend to support something shady with regard to the release. People have construed my position into support of everything re the laptop/drive/copy. They ignored what I handed them on a silver platter, and attacked me without considering the content of what I posted, if they even bothered to look at it.

From your first posts in this thread:

"Also, Bannon, Giuliani, the guy from the video, and virus conspiracy chick in the mirror. Bannon is behind Giuliani. So while you are screaming Russia, it's more than likely China. Although, I haven't seen anything to say the laptop wasn't Hunter's, or that it was a hack. If anyone has evidence of that, I'd like to see it. The Campaign/Biden haven't alleged that.

People here are stuck on Russia/Ukraine/Burisma, the incriminating stuff is the China allegations.

Also, FoxNews supposedly contacted someone in the email chain regarding Chinese business FWIW. They supposedly authenticated the email."

******

"Because you've been told that the sky is falling and there are Russians under your bed, and you believe it?"

******

"Also, Peter Schweitzer has 26,000 emails given to him by Hunter Biden's business partner Bevan Cooney who is now in jail. So there's that."

******

"I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another."

Can't imagine how people got the idea you thought this was legit.

Babbylonian · 28th October 2020, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

Hey, Gateway Pundit only bought into Jacob Wohl's Mueller sex scandal, why would they be considered unreliable in the least? Don't shoot the messenger man....

I think you're being unfair. I doubt they ever actually bought into it. They just don't care whether or not anything they publish is true.

Elagabalus · 28th October 2020, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

That must have been very exciting for you.

I can't imagine there are very many pictures of drug addicts being stupid in this world. It is really amazing that "the gatewaypundit" was able to find one. Next they'll have a rare photo of a kitty being adorable.

All sarcasm aside, I will not vote for Hunter or the kitty.

Dog person, eh?

TahiniBinShawarma · 28th October 2020, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

From your first posts in this thread:

"Also, Bannon, Giuliani, the guy from the video, and virus conspiracy chick in the mirror. Bannon is behind Giuliani. So while you are screaming Russia, it's more than likely China. Although, I haven't seen anything to say the laptop wasn't Hunter's, or that it was a hack. If anyone has evidence of that, I'd like to see it. The Campaign/Biden haven't alleged that.

People here are stuck on Russia/Ukraine/Burisma, the incriminating stuff is the China allegations.

Also, FoxNews supposedly contacted someone in the email chain regarding Chinese business FWIW. They supposedly authenticated the email."

******

"Because you've been told that the sky is falling and there are Russians under your bed, and you believe it?"

******

"Also, Peter Schweitzer has 26,000 emails given to him by Hunter Biden's business partner Bevan Cooney who is now in jail. So there's that."

******

"I'm not sure why you would say that, given the emails supposedly have Hunter saying "Pop" makes him give half the money to him in one, and 10 million in Chinese money is for "the big man" in another."

Can't imagine how people got the idea you thought this was legit.

Me either, there is a clear difference in posting the actual claims, and saying you believe them

Sorry if you had a problem with me pointing out what the actual claims were.

28th October 2020, 09:59 AM	#1361
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma This is a pitiful attempt to distract that a poster here attributed a position to me that I obviously never made. There are pages and pages of a discussion about the claims regarding the laptop. You didn't make up the lie. You shared it. You spread it. You perpetrated it. And you attacked people who doubted it.
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28th October 2020, 10:04 AM	#1363
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue You didn't make up the lie. You shared it. You spread it. You perpetrated it. And you attacked people who doubted it. Link to me attacking someone who doubted there was child porn on the laptop, or defending the claim there was child porn on it. The post speaks for itself. "Giuliani goes there," the claim, "Don't shoot the messenger."
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28th October 2020, 10:05 AM	#1364
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Link to me attacking someone who doubted there was child porn on the laptop. No. You'll just deny it like you deny everything. The thread is here for everyone to read, I'm not playing the "Show me where I said that!" game with you. And you notice neither is anyone else. We all know this game. And I notice you didn't deny knowingly spreading falsehoods, you just latched onto the one statement you thought you could stall the discussion out with by giving people a fetch quest to complete. Very transparent.
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28th October 2020, 10:05 AM	#1365
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by wareyin Nope. The thread is here for all to read. Honestly, I expected you would take the tack of huffily declaring it was just sexually inappropriate pictures, not porn! I didn't expect you to just deny it all. So, guess I will ask: when you jumped in here to laugh at everyone doubting this story and report how Giuliani had dropped off the laptop with the Delaware PD for child porn, did you believe he was lying or telling the truth? When you argued that the FBI having this info for 10 months without doing anything didn't mean anything it could still be true, were you defending the claim and did you still believe the claim at that time? Do you still believe it? I notice there is no link in there which shows me attacking someone doubting there is child porn on the laptop. And there is no link in there of me defending the claim of child porn on the laptop either. Back up your claim.
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28th October 2020, 10:08 AM	#1366
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue No. You'll just deny it like you deny everything. The thread is here for everyone to read, I'm not playing the "Show me where I said that!" game with you. And you notice neither is anyone else. We all know this game. And I notice you didn't deny knowingly spreading falsehoods, you just latched onto the one statement you thought you could stall the discussion out with by giving people a fetch quest to complete. Very transparent. No, because you can't, because it never happened.
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28th October 2020, 10:00 AM	#1362
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 9,333	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Now link to me defending the claim that there is child porn on the laptop. Since your last claim has been debunked. Nope. The thread is here for all to read. Honestly, I expected you would take the tack of huffily declaring it was just sexually inappropriate pictures, not porn! I didn't expect you to just deny it all. So, guess I will ask: when you jumped in here to laugh at everyone doubting this story and report how Giuliani had dropped off the laptop with the Delaware PD for child porn, did you believe he was lying or telling the truth? When you argued that the FBI having this info for 10 months without doing anything didn't mean anything it could still be true, were you defending the claim and did you still believe the claim at that time? Do you still believe it?

28th October 2020, 10:08 AM	#1367
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma I notice there is no link in there which shows me attacking someone doubting there is child porn on the laptop. And there is no link in there of me defending the claim of child porn on the laptop either. Back up your claim. Okay here's a link. It's in the thread called "Bill Barr and his October Surprise" on the International Skeptic Forums message board. You can find it with Google. Stop trying to get out of being arguing into a corner by giving us fetch quests to complete that we both know you'll just deny when we complete anyway.
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28th October 2020, 10:10 AM	#1368
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue No. You'll just deny it like you deny everything. The thread is here for everyone to read, I'm not playing the "Show me where I said that!" game with you. And you notice neither is anyone else. We all know this game. And I notice you didn't deny knowingly spreading falsehoods, you just latched onto the one statement you thought you could stall the discussion out with by giving people a fetch quest to complete. Very transparent. "Neither is anyone else" because it never happened. If it had, you would discredit me unequivocally. That you can't, only discredits you and others who made the claim.
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28th October 2020, 10:10 AM	#1369
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	So yeah this is a nothingburger. And it's not working. Trump wanted this to be his "Comey Letter" for this election and it frizzled out at best, backfired at worst.
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28th October 2020, 10:10 AM	#1370
Bogative Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,144	Originally Posted by slyjoe Not that poster, who believes most mass shooters are black. They are, according to the New York Times.
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28th October 2020, 10:11 AM	#1371
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma "Neither is anyone else" because it never happened. If it had, you would discredit me unequivocally. That you can't, only discredits you and others who made the claim. I'm comfortable with anyone reading this thread and judging my credibility.
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28th October 2020, 10:12 AM	#1372
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Okay here's a link. It's in the thread called "Bill Barr and his October Surprise" on the International Skeptic Forums message board. You can find it with Google. Stop trying to get out of being arguing into a corner by giving us fetch quests to complete that we both know you'll just deny when we complete anyway. Haha cop out. You can't cite, and you can't quote it, because it never happened. You aren't helping yourself by going down this road. You're losing credibility by the post.
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28th October 2020, 10:13 AM	#1373
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I'm comfortable with anyone reading this thread and judging my credibility. Same here, they all see that I never attacked anyone for doubting the claim of child porn on the laptop, and they can see I never supported the claim. They also see the ones here claiming the opposite and that you can't cite to support your claim.
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28th October 2020, 10:22 AM	#1374
Bogative Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,144	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Do you actually read that as an admission by Hunter of bad things rather than Hunter calling out someone making up BS about him? Weird. The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. So, yeah, I think I will remain skeptical about Hunter's claims of someone making up BS for the time being.
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28th October 2020, 10:27 AM	#1375
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 24,934	Originally Posted by Bogative The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. So, yeah, I think I will remain skeptical about Hunter's claims of someone making up BS for the time being. That must have been very exciting for you. I can't imagine there are very many pictures of drug addicts being stupid in this world. It is really amazing that "the gatewaypundit" was able to find one. Next they'll have a rare photo of a kitty being adorable. All sarcasm aside, I will not vote for Hunter or the kitty.
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28th October 2020, 10:28 AM	#1376
TheL8Elvis Philosopher Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,276	Originally Posted by Bogative The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. So, yeah, I think I will remain skeptical about Hunter's claims of someone making up BS for the time being. Yup, so ... still not voting for hunter.
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28th October 2020, 10:38 AM	#1377
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by wareyin So, guess I will ask: when you jumped in here to laugh at everyone doubting this story and report how Giuliani had dropped off the laptop with the Delaware PD for child porn, did you believe he was lying or telling the truth? When you argued that the FBI having this info for 10 months without doing anything didn't mean anything it could still be true, were you defending the claim and did you still believe the claim at that time? Do you still believe it? 1. He did drop the laptop off https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/ 2. How do you know the FBI isn't doing anything? 3. Do I still believe what? I notice you still won't back up the claim that I attacked posters here for doubting or rejecting the claim of child porn on the laptop)hard drive), or of me supporting or believing the claim of child porn on the laptop. Also, because you have not backed up your claim(because you can't) shouldn't you retract the claim? Or are you comfortable being openly dishonest?
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28th October 2020, 10:43 AM	#1378
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,466	Originally Posted by Bogative The gatewaypundit posted pictures this morning of Hunter standing in a doorway while wearing nothing but a robe and the robe is wide open exposing his genitalia . In the room behind him is a person who has been blurred so as they are not recognizable and who is claimed to be a minor. "Is claimed" by whom? From Gateway Pundit:'' Quote: In another text message from Hunter to a family friend, Hunter shares that his mother, Jill Biden, Jill Biden is not Hunter's mother. Kind of a big honking error IMO. I've lost track, how did these texts come to light?

28th October 2020, 10:45 AM	#1379
Bogative Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,144	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Edit, and a quick google shows that the tapes were uploaded in China to a website owned by Guo Wengui and Steve Bannon. If the tape isn't a fake then I'm literally a monkey's uncle. Tapes. By my count there are six videos where Hunter's face is clearly visible and one where only his body can be seen. However, the person in the video is wearing the same bracelets, ring and necklaces that Hunter has been on video and in photos wearing also. I guess you could claim fakery on that as well but it would be awful strange for the Russians to hire a body double to fake another porn video of Hunter because the first 6 weren't enough? There are also dozens of photos now. You could claim that a handful of them are fake because the header data says they were taken in the District of Columbia, Maryland and Delaware. Everybody knows that Hunter lives in California so for some reason it's impossible for him to be anywhere other than California.
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28th October 2020, 10:46 AM	#1380
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,988	I shall now point out the error in your thinking. Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Why would anyone trust Tucker when Fox says you can not trust Tucker? U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes." The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
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28th October 2020, 10:48 AM	#1381
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,466	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma 1. He did drop the laptop off https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/ That article, from last week and already discussed, does not say Hunter dropped the laptop off.

28th October 2020, 10:50 AM	#1382
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Minoosh That article, from last week and already discussed, does not say Hunter dropped the laptop off. The context was Rudy dropping the laptop/drive/copy to the New Castle County PD.
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28th October 2020, 10:51 AM	#1383
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,466	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith I can't imagine there are very many pictures of drug addicts being stupid in this world. It is really amazing that "the gatewaypundit" was able to find one. I love how they blurred the photo with alarming red scratchy marks. Much scarier than simply pixilating. I admire how Joe is staying on message.

28th October 2020, 10:58 AM	#1384
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,466	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma The context was Rudy dropping the laptop/drive/copy to the New Castle County PD. OK, my bad. But the lie alleged wasn't about whether Rudy dropped off the "laptop." It was about how he characterized the contents.

28th October 2020, 11:05 AM	#1385
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 9,333	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma 1. He did drop the laptop off https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/6005040002/ 2. How do you know the FBI isn't doing anything? 3. Do I still believe what? I notice you still won't back up the claim that I attacked posters here for doubting or rejecting the claim of child porn on the laptop)hard drive), or of me supporting or believing the claim of child porn on the laptop. Also, because you have not backed up your claim(because you can't) shouldn't you retract the claim? Or are you comfortable being openly dishonest? I'm comfortable with not playing an endless game of fetch for you when your first attempt backfired in your face. You do get that your JAQ 2. is you defending the claim, right? You're literally doing it in the very post where you demand I prove you're doing it.

28th October 2020, 11:15 AM	#1386
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by wareyin I'm comfortable with not playing an endless game of fetch for you when your first attempt backfired in your face. You do get that your JAQ 2. is you defending the claim, right? You're literally doing it in the very post where you demand I prove you're doing it. Nothing backfired in my face, have you looked in a mirror? Your face is charred from making a claim you can't support. You can't seem to differentiate between me posting what someone else claims, and my claims. The cite provided for me accepting as true the claim that there is child porn on the laptop/drive/copy does no such thing, nor does it support me attacking anyone who doubts the claim. The only reason it's endless is because you keep making claims you can't support because they aren't true. Citing me supporting the child porn claim or attacking one who doubts it would end it. You can't, and I'll keep reminding people of that. "You're literally doing it in the very post where you demand I prove you're doing it." Wrong, it's a comprehension problem on your part if you think that. Cite me supporting the claim that there is child porn on the laptop/drive/copy, or cite me attacking someone doubting the claim of child porn on the laptop/drive/copy. Otherwise you will continue to look dishonest. Or, you know......you can retract the erroneous claim.
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28th October 2020, 11:19 AM	#1387
Bogative Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,144	Originally Posted by Minoosh "Is claimed" by whom? Several people who have seen the hard drive. Quote: From Gateway Pundit:'' Jill Biden is not Hunter's mother. Kind of a big honking error IMO. Well that's it, everything else is fake because the gatewaypundit said "mom" instead of "stepmom." Also… Quote: In another touching memory, Biden wrote that one time, a fact-checker called his office in a state of confusion about a story that was soon to be published. The fact-checker knew that Neilia had passed away, but when she asked Beau and Hunter about their "stepmom," they replied, "Oh, no. We don't have a stepmom," as Joe recalled in Promises to Keep. Biden heartfully concluded, "Beau and Hunter had long since made their choice: Jill was Mom." Link Quote: I've lost track, how did these texts come to light? From the computer hard drive of a well-known junkie who was dragged all around the world by his daddy on Air Force 2.
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28th October 2020, 11:36 AM	#1388
Foggy of the Fogbow Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 147	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma This is a pitiful attempt to distract that a poster here attributed a position to me that I obviously never made. There are pages and pages of a discussion about the claims regarding the laptop. Sometimes, you know, people are able to stop saying "That's not my position! That was falsely attributed to me as my position that I obviously never made!" And then, in a spasm of actual honesty, they can tell us what their position actually is. Like, y'know, do they believe the actual smear? Do they really believe that Hunter Biden travelled 3,000 miles from his home to give a few laptops to a blind Trump supporter? Do they understand that Giuliani stuck his hand down his pants because he didn't want to get an erection with his penis folded over (ouch, that can be really painful, I know that from personal experience). Sometimes I wonder, if you're making a lot of noise that people falsely attributed a position you never made, maybe you could tell us what your actual position IS. For example, my position is that they don't have any laptop computers at all that belonged to Hunter Biden, the whole thing is a dirty fraud that was intended to be an October Surprise, the fraud folded like a penis in cheap underwear, and the only real Trump supporters remaining support Trump because of his racism and cruelty. Prove me wrong.
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28th October 2020, 11:38 AM	#1389
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 39,418	People who have argued themselves into a corner always want to talk a lot about what their position isn't and never about what their position is. I'll assume this will be more of the same until proven otherwise.
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28th October 2020, 11:39 AM	#1390
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,867	Originally Posted by Bogative Well that's it, everything else is fake because the gatewaypundit said "mom" instead of "stepmom." It's nobody else's fault that you rely on a garbage source for your garbage information.

28th October 2020, 11:52 AM	#1391
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue People who have argued themselves into a corner always want to talk a lot about what their position isn't and never about what their position is. I'll assume this will be more of the same until proven otherwise. Conversely, some people wait to see all there is without rejecting or supporting. It's a developing story. I've actually posted things which tend to support something shady with regard to the release. People have construed my position into support of everything re the laptop/drive/copy. They ignored what I handed them on a silver platter, and attacked me without considering the content of what I posted, if they even bothered to look at it.
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28th October 2020, 11:52 AM	#1392
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,921	Originally Posted by Babbylonian It's nobody else's fault that you rely on a garbage source for your garbage information. Hey, Gateway Pundit only bought into Jacob Wohl's Mueller sex scandal, why would they be considered unreliable in the least? Don't shoot the messenger man....
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28th October 2020, 11:54 AM	#1393
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 7,051	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Well yeah but that doesn't matter, or at least doesn't matter as much as it should. This was a smear job, not an actual investigation. So no matter how much it gets disproven now the cult members will still believe it and at least some more mainstream voters now still have a mental connection between Biden and something shady. I'm starting to think that one of those Russian broads who Hunter was hanging out with in LA probably slipped him a Michael Finn and took the photo with an incapacitated Hunter and the crack pipe.
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28th October 2020, 11:54 AM	#1394
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,237	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Conversely, some people wait to see all there is without rejecting or supporting. It's a developing story. I've actually posted things which tend to support something shady with regard to the release. People have construed my position into support of everything re the laptop/drive/copy. They ignored what I handed them on a silver platter, and attacked me without considering the content of what I posted, if they even bothered to look at it. Oh god, I wonder how people got that impression. Must be everyone else and not you at all.
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28th October 2020, 11:55 AM	#1395
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue People who have argued themselves into a corner always want to talk a lot about what their position isn't and never about what their position is. I'll assume this will be more of the same until proven otherwise. Your position is I attacked those who doubt the claim of child porn on the laptop and that I believed the claim of child porn on the laptop. No evidence forthcoming on your claim, nor will there be because you made it up. How's that corner behind you? Not much room, you're jammed in there pretty tight. A retraction on your claim would go a long way to showing honesty on your part.
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