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Old 21st May 2020, 01:00 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You're right. I mixed up McCorvey's name with Schenck. Schenck is who I meant. That was a stupid mistake.
Fair enough.

But Schenck’s doesn’t require vetting. We already have him on camera clearly being who he is claiming to be. Furthermore, he is merely corroborating the primary source, that being McCorvey herself. We don’t have to take his word for anything. We already have hers.

Your source, on the other hand, is just a Facebook post. Like every other post on the Internet, we have no way of knowing if the person who authored that post is really who they claim to be. And if we do, you have yet to provide it.

And this alleged secondary source is directly contradicting the primary source. It takes a hell of lot more than just their word for that to be convincing.
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Old 21st May 2020, 11:02 PM   #42
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Old 21st May 2020, 11:48 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
As usual the commandment against bearing false witness turns out to be completely optional.
Funny that. Combined with adultery, bearing false witness are the most ignored 10 Commandments.

Or maybe that Golden Calf worship thing, that's right up there, false gods before the real God.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:26 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
I suggest just reading the link to discover the identity of the individuals and their attempts to deny the documentary. There is no reason for me to attempt to counter it, the link discredits itself. I will only bother to cite two of its arguments.

“Having only seen the Trailer of the “AKA Jane Roe” documentary, I looked up the guy who did the documentary (Nick Sweeney) and found that he is involved in some very odd stuff, like Transgender Robots and all things sexual revolution. I had no idea (even when he interviewed me)... Without knowing Christ, it would be impossible for Mr. Sweeney to understand the real Norma McCorvey and the transformation Jesus did in her life. Sweeney knew her for a few months - I knew her for more than three decades.”

And:

“I saw that he got Miss Norma on tape saying some pretty outrageous things. Again, I have not seen the full video, but that was just Norma being Norma. Those who knew her best, know this. She was, indeed, utterly unfiltered and a whole lot of fun. Yet, she could also be very fickle and hard-headed (just like me!) And she said many things that were simply not true at times, only to come back and set the record straight. This was simply part of her maturing walk with Jesus.”

In fact this “dispute” of the accuracy of the movie does not specifically deny any of the facts in the documentary so much as claim that surely Miss Norma must have been kidding! And attempt to dismiss the movie because the film maker is not Christian enough! If you read the link, even the statement by the Bentham brothers that they “didn’t pay Miss Norma a penny “is immediately followed by the admission that they and their followers “helped her back on her feet” by donations, etc. pretty transparent that money changed hands (in fact $100,000s of dollars according to the movie) but just not the personal cash of the Bentham brothers.

This rebuttal of the movie left me more convinced of the accuracy of the movie than I was before.

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Old 22nd May 2020, 10:35 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
You doubt Jesus?
As it turns out I am a Jewish atheist, so that’s kind of a double whammy on Jesus belief.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:29 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
I have to say this is a great way to start general digressions and yet has nothing to do with the OP. Truly a work of art and creating thread drift.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:04 PM   #47
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Okay, The Daily Mall claims to have an exclusive interview with Schenck in which he admits to the story told in the documentary:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-movement.html

Yes I know the reputation of the Daily Mall and I provided this link as much for entertainment as for veracity. Plus I assumed it would be posted here sooner or later by someone else if not by me.

I also assume that Schenck will eventually deny this news story if the Daily Mail is simply lying about it. Should prove interesting...
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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:14 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Goddamnit!

I demand a recount!

EDIT: Dude, that's a low bar!
Is this the time to point out that speed isn't always something to boast about?

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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:16 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Okay, The Daily Mall claims to have an exclusive interview with Schenck in which he admits to the story told in the documentary:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-movement.html

Yes I know the reputation of the Daily Mall and I provided this link as much for entertainment as for veracity. Plus I assumed it would be posted here sooner or later by someone else if not by me.

I also assume that Schenck will eventually deny this news story if the Daily Mail is simply lying about it. Should prove interesting...
He can try to deny it but my understanding is that they "have the receipts" as it were, and have identified at least $450k that has been given to her from these organizations.

The denial I heard attempted was that they didn't pay her, they just helped her get back on her feet. So generous of them...
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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:45 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
He can try to deny it but my understanding is that they "have the receipts" as it were, and have identified at least $450k that has been given to her from these organizations.

The denial I heard attempted was that they didn't pay her, they just helped her get back on her feet. So generous of them...
Yes, that's what I read too. Apparently it was just like providing some canned food to a person down on their luck: $450,000 of canned food.

It was really a classic non-denial. I didn't pay her (read: the money was not from my personal finances). We just helped her back on her feet (read: the money was from church accounts that I controlled, to the tune of nearly half a million dollars). Also left unsaid, of course, was that her part of the deal was to say whatever she was told to say by the anti-abortionists.

But I agree that the importance of the Supreme Court ruling is not rooted in one person pseudonym'ed Jane Roe. The documentary, IMO, is most important in terms of removing "Ms Norma" as a poster child for the anti-abortion groups and as an illustration of their lack of honesty as they manipulate others. "Pious" people who will do anything, support anyone, to achieve their goals. Either because they think God is behind them, or, for many, as a cynical means to exploit others to gain political support.

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Old 23rd May 2020, 09:29 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
That's if you trust the documentary. Its accuracy is being disputed. And she's not around to set the record straight in either case.
Of course it is. And there's lots of video of Ms. McCorvey details the anti-abortion nutters behaviour.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Here is one for those who want to know what they are clicking. A facebook post from some guy who admits he hasn't even seen this documentary disputing facts in that documentary.
How unsurprising, especially given the Benham brothers are xian anti-abortion nutcases.
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How unsurprising, especially given the Benham brothers are xian anti-abortion nutcases.
That is not quite fair.

They are also anti-homosexual nutcases too.

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