IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags donald trump , Trump administration , Trump controversies

Closed Thread
Old 4th July 2017, 03:54 AM   #161
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
 
Pixel42's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 16,140
Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
"My country, right or wrong" is a questionable position to take.
I'm pretty sure that's not what's being said.

Just as the MP who represents my constituency is my MP whether I voted for him or not, whoever gets elected POTUS is the POTUS for every American whether they voted for him or not. I don't like my MP and would certainly never vote for him, but he is still currently my representative in Parliament.
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett
Pixel42 is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 04:03 AM   #162
SezMe
post-pre-born
 
SezMe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 25,183
Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Trump is many things, but dumb isn't among them. He knows exactly what his supporters care about and how to present it in a way it'll make them adore him even more.
Completely wrong. When he says or does things his base likes, it's NOT because he's thought through the politics of his base. It's him acting solely on impulse; he doesn't give a **** about what his supporters care about. He doesn't have a political analysis bone in his body. You give him WAY too much credit.

ETA: Darat stole my thunder.

Last edited by SezMe; 4th July 2017 at 04:04 AM.
SezMe is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 04:58 AM   #163
Craig B
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 22,841
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
"Government is as good as the people"

If people have various levels of good, you are making a statement that there is some objective good.
Do you mean "absolute"? The existence of various levels of a thing doesn't have anything to do with it being objective or not. All the levels might all be objective, but at most one of them, or perhaps none of them at all, would be absolute.
Craig B is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:15 AM   #164
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,657
Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
That's not what will kill him because his support is not about policy. I think only two things have the potential to make GOPers turn on him:

1) a military blunder. Americans killed for no reason. We get dragged back into the Middle East where nobody wants to go.

2) A USA terror attack. And Trump is as effective as you're-doing-a-heckova-job-Brownie was during Katrina.
1. Entirely possible, but a lot of Republicans thought attacking Syria was somehow a much better idea with Trump than they did with Obama. They might give him more leeway on future military adventures as well.

2. I actually think he'd use something like that to his advantage. I don't mean in a CT "let it happen" way, but if a major terrorist attack occurred I think he'd use it to justify the tighter immigration controls that lots of Republicans really want.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:24 AM   #165
sts60
Illuminator
 
sts60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,095
Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
"My country, right or wrong" is a questionable position to take.
Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
I'm pretty sure that's not what's being said.

Just as the MP who represents my constituency is my MP whether I voted for him or not, whoever gets elected POTUS is the POTUS for every American whether they voted for him or not. I don't like my MP and would certainly never vote for him, but he is still currently my representative in Parliament.
I agree with this interpretation.

When I say, "Nyet my President", it's an expression of disapproval. Trump is President. A treasonous, corrupt, inept, childish, hateful, antidemocratic, rotten President, but he is the President until he's removed from office. (Hopefully in the form of FBI agents hauling him, Pence, Bannon, Riebus, Miller, etc. away in handcuffs. With a large side order of Ryan and McConnell, too, please.)
sts60 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:24 AM   #166
Stacko
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,837
Donald Trump tweeting "Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?" about Kim Jong Un launching a missile has to be peak Trump.
Stacko is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:40 AM   #167
TofuFighter
Illuminator
 
TofuFighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,157
Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
That isn't how it works.
I don't support him either. I didn't vote for him.
But he's the POTUS we got, and I support the system, even if I don't always like the results.
He isn't the first one I don't like, and I doubt he'll be the last.
But until I support disregarding that system he's still "our" POTUS as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I'm ashamed of my country for electing him, but it's still my country.
Originally Posted by sts60 View Post
I agree with this interpretation.
When I say, "Nyet my President", it's an expression of disapproval. Trump is President. A treasonous, corrupt, inept, childish, hateful, antidemocratic, rotten President, but he is the President until he's removed from office. (Hopefully in the form of FBI agents hauling him, Pence, Bannon, Riebus, Miller, etc. away in handcuffs. With a large side order of Ryan and McConnell, too, please.)
I've included the original post so it's close enough in context.

It may be that both you and Pixel42 have interpreted Quadraginta correctly, and that i have not.
Obviously Trump is the Potus. Quad frames it as 'our' Potus.
"it's still my country and I support the system"

I could never have taken this position during the apartheid era in South Africa. You can probably think of other examples.

I just sometimes think that Americans, as an example, are too nationalistic, and the post i replied to rung that bell slightly for me.

Last edited by TofuFighter; 4th July 2017 at 05:43 AM.
TofuFighter is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:41 AM   #168
TofuFighter
Illuminator
 
TofuFighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,157
Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
'Trough' might be a more accurate term, but even you don't believe this is it.
TofuFighter is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:53 AM   #169
Delphic Oracle
Philosopher
 
Delphic Oracle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,415
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Running for nomination is an occupation for Republicans: it's not about winning, it's about getting free airtime and attracting the notice of Big Donors. Candidates regularly make good money campaigning even if they never get past 1% votes or so.
So there will be plenty of Republicans pretending to clamor for the nomination, even though none will have a chance if Trump is still around by then and decides to run.
Yup, it will be clown car candidates only if Trump is still north of 60% R support by then.

Better to get a free lock-in on that 60% in your district/state by having him land Air Force One at the local airport, drape his arm around your shoulder and mumble a few sentences about what a great guy you are. The alternative is Twitter tantrums and blackmail via planted stories that will ruin your career.

Unless you're a clown car candidate specially built to spin "any publicity is good publicity" style. Trump's tirades then become fodder for email donation blasts, the campaign spokesman can cast Trump as the entrenched insider trying to squash the plucky savior primary challenger, etc.
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Sure, but those are professional candidates, who never expect to win the nomination, much less the Presidency.

Puppycow was asking about "serious challengers" not serial candidates. I think that if you're a GOP member with serious ambition to become President then if Trump is running in 2020 and he still has 80% approval rating among GOP supporters then I don't think someone who has legitimate ambitions to be President should challenge him in the primaries.
Exactly. Small operations run by a board of people who happen to all run canvassing, media production, and other campaign logistics related companies that will be $50 million in debt after the elections.

Last edited by Delphic Oracle; 4th July 2017 at 05:58 AM.
Delphic Oracle is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 07:23 AM   #170
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
 
alfaniner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sorth Dakonsin
Posts: 29,368
Even The PDJT doesn't think he stands for all of America, but only his party. He keeps maintaining the distinction between "us" and "them". Look at how often he says "We won the election."
__________________
Science is self-correcting.
Woo is self-contradicting.
alfaniner is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 08:04 AM   #171
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 96,386
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Running for nomination is an occupation for Republicans: it's not about winning, it's about getting free airtime and attracting the notice of Big Donors. Candidates regularly make good money campaigning even if they never get past 1% votes or so.
So there will be plenty of Republicans pretending to clamor for the nomination, even though none will have a chance if Trump is still around by then and decides to run.
To finish this thought, said serial campaigners (Newt is king) then pay their own companies for campaign consulting and work.That includes paying oneself and one's family members big salaries. Add in book tours and pushing book sales along with your campaign travels and you can earn millions.

The question is, who are the suckers donating to these loser's campaigns?
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 08:20 AM   #172
Delphic Oracle
Philosopher
 
Delphic Oracle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,415
Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
To finish this thought, said serial campaigners (Newt is king) then pay their own companies for campaign consulting and work.That includes paying oneself and one's family members big salaries. Add in book tours and pushing book sales along with your campaign travels and you can earn millions.

The question is, who are the suckers donating to these loser's campaigns?
You can find them on their couches surfing Breitbart, making a donation to Newt while on hold buying something from HSN. They've temporarily flipped to an episode of Jerry Springer, though because there's something about the hand model currently showing off a charming turquoise bracelet that seems really bitchy.

Sent from my SM-J327P using Tapatalk
Delphic Oracle is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 08:32 AM   #173
Molinaro
Illuminator
 
Molinaro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,781
Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Even The PDJT doesn't think he stands for all of America, but only his party. He keeps maintaining the distinction between "us" and "them". Look at how often he says "We won the election."

Obama was called the divider. He was constantly accused of being the source of division in the US. And here we have Trump who has made dividing the country his #1 priority.

And yet, the most hypocritical group of people in the world, the GOP supporters, will of course have nothing to say about it.
__________________
100% Cannuck!
Molinaro is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 09:21 AM   #174
Minoosh
Penultimate Amazing
 
Minoosh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,511
Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
If these are the only considerations, you'd be right. But these aren't the only considerations, a serious contender could still hope to join him in the cabinet, earning experience for later. Trump airing dirty laundry today won't hurt so much 12 years later. Alternatively if the candidate is old, too old to wait that long, he could still mount a challenge because he has little to lose anyway. These aren't elves we're talking about, the candidates don't have 100 or more election cycles to make their attempt, you can hope for 5-6 attempts at best. If Trump eats one and then another two when GOP has no chance at winning, that's half your life chances worth gone with the wind through no fault but inaction on your part.
I don't understand your timeline. Twelve years later? What is that scenario? I can't picture it.
Minoosh is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 09:43 AM   #175
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 37,581
Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I don't understand your timeline. Twelve years later? What is that scenario? I can't picture it.
I think the idea is that

Trump wins in 2020 (when the dirty laundry is aired)

The Democratic Party candidate wins in 2024 and 2028 so the next GOP President off the rank is likely to come about in 2032 ?
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:22 AM   #176
KDLarsen
Philosopher
 
KDLarsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,083
Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Evidently the Alt-right didn't appreciate one of their own being outed as the creator of that video:
https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/881860850956599297
KDLarsen is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:28 AM   #177
Stacko
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,837
Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Evidently the Alt-right didn't appreciate one of their own being outed as the creator of that video:
https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/881860850956599297
What!? Why? It's not like it was a secret they're just a collection of racists, bigots and anti-Semites.
Stacko is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:35 AM   #178
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In a post-fact world
Posts: 96,875
Why, what does the tweet say?
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:38 AM   #179
Stacko
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,837
Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Why, what does the tweet say?
The person that outed the creator of Trump's CNN video has been the subject of a deluge harassment and death threats from the alt-reich.
Stacko is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:39 AM   #180
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,657
Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Evidently the Alt-right didn't appreciate one of their own being outed as the creator of that video:
https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/881860850956599297
That's really ugly. From what I've seen, the guys on the alt-right are proud of their brother for creating the video but upset that his history is being used against the God-Emperor.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:42 AM   #181
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In a post-fact world
Posts: 96,875
Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
The person that outed the creator of Trump's CNN video has been the subject of a deluge harassment and death threats from the alt-reich.
That is very weird. You'd think they'd have the courage of their convictions... if convictions they have.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 11:47 AM   #182
Stacko
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,837
Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
That is very weird. You'd think they'd have the courage of their convictions... if convictions they have.
I think they're more concerned about Trump being directly tied to the alt-reich community again since that hurts him with the large number of reluctant voters he had.
Stacko is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 12:47 PM   #183
quadraginta
Becoming Beth
 
quadraginta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of)
Posts: 27,292
Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
"My country, right or wrong" is a questionable position to take.

It depends on what is meant by that statement.

I don't approve of everything my country does, nor do I support everything my country does. Quite the opposite. I take positive and active measures to express my disapproval and to try to effect change.

But it is still my country. Just because it isn't perfect doesn't change that. Doing what I can to change or improve the things I see as mistakes is a reflection of that.

Is that the sort of thing you meant by that statement?
__________________
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."

"Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation."
quadraginta is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 12:52 PM   #184
skyeagle409
Master Poster
 
skyeagle409's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,488
.
Trump continues to damage US credibility and relations with our allies around the world and continues to try to inflict damaging policies against Americans, and now this:

Quote:
The world looks past Donald Trump

Trump's unpopularity abroad is forcing leaders to consider their own political positions, before getting too close to the American President -- even if they seek to preserve Washington's still vital global role as the guarantor of liberal market economics and democracy.

The Trump administration refutes the notion that it has downgraded American leadership, arguing that Trump's foreign trips, flurry of meetings and frequent calls with foreign presidents and prime ministers shows intense engagement.

But increasingly, top foreign policymakers from Germany to Iraq and Canada to Asia are contemplating a period when US leadership that many took for granted may be less evident in global affairs, after Trump turned his back on multilateral trade deals and downplayed multinational institutions and agreements.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politi...ump/index.html
skyeagle409 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:03 PM   #185
quadraginta
Becoming Beth
 
quadraginta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of)
Posts: 27,292
Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
I've included the original post so it's close enough in context.

It may be that both you and Pixel42 have interpreted Quadraginta correctly, and that i have not.
Obviously Trump is the Potus. Quad frames it as 'our' Potus.
"it's still my country and I support the system"

I could never have taken this position during the apartheid era in South Africa. You can probably think of other examples.

I just sometimes think that Americans, as an example, are too nationalistic, and the post i replied to rung that bell slightly for me.

Sounds to me like you have a hammer and are looking for nails.
__________________
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."

"Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation."
quadraginta is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:05 PM   #186
skyeagle409
Master Poster
 
skyeagle409's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,488
Six months in office and it is very clear that Trump is an incompetent moron who is totally unfit mentally to run the United States of America.

Quote:
Disaster: Rich People Are Turning Their Backs on Trump
Millionaires who voted for the president are experiencing buyer’s remorse.


CNBC reports that of the 750 people it polled who have “investible assets of more than $1 million or more,” 45 percent voted for Trump and 41 percent voted for Clinton. But a good number seem to be having buyer’s remorse: when asked their views on the Apprentice host-turned-commander-in-chief last month, 50 percent said that they are now anti-Trump, 21 percent have mixed feelings, and a mere 29 percent are pro-Trump. According to the respondents, the No. 1 risk to the economy over the next year is “government dysfunction,” which was one of the three issues those polled gave Trump low marks on, as well as health-care reform and the national debt.

Considering the 45th president seems to relish in dysfunction and chaos, especially among his own staff, and attempts thus far to “repeal and replace” Obamacare are blowing up in his face, it seems unlikely he’ll be able to win back the love of his fellow 1-percenters anytime soon.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...backs-on-trump
skyeagle409 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:07 PM   #187
quadraginta
Becoming Beth
 
quadraginta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of)
Posts: 27,292
Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Even The PDJT doesn't think he stands for all of America, but only his party. He keeps maintaining the distinction between "us" and "them". Look at how often he says "We won the election."

Over-analyzing and intentionally distorting common usages of speech to try and make a nit-picky point.

The very essence of pedantic, sophomoric argument.
__________________
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."

"Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation."
quadraginta is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:12 PM   #188
quadraginta
Becoming Beth
 
quadraginta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of)
Posts: 27,292
Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
That is very weird. You'd think they'd have the courage of their convictions... if convictions they have.

Convictions they got plenty of.

Courage? Not so much.
__________________
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."

"Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation."
quadraginta is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:13 PM   #189
Stacko
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,837
Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Evidently the Alt-right didn't appreciate one of their own being outed as the creator of that video:
https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/881860850956599297
Someone put it in a slightly better format for reading.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/881994184525320193
Stacko is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:38 PM   #190
seayakin
Graduate Poster
 
seayakin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,400
David Brooks has a good analysis of Trump hard core supporters

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/04/o...e-iphone-share

It doesn't provide actionable answers other than maybe not trying to convince them the Federal government can do any good for them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
"I kayak, therefore I am"
seayakin is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 01:54 PM   #191
The_Animus
Illuminator
 
The_Animus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,466
Can we have the season finale of "Trump" be an episode where he finally realizes if he doesn't do something drastic he will go down as the worst POTUS in history so he decides to do the biggest 180 spin of his career and pretend everything up to this point was all a clever plan to get the republican party to drop any pretense and show their true, and awful, colors. and having accomplished his true goal will now step down and retire as America's Most Bigly Hero.
The_Animus is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 02:00 PM   #192
Hlafordlaes
Disorder of Kilopi
 
Hlafordlaes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: State of Flux
Posts: 17,621
Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
Can we have the season finale of "Trump" be an episode where he finally realizes if he doesn't do something drastic he will go down as the worst POTUS in history so he decides to do the biggest 180 spin of his career and pretend everything up to this point was all a clever plan to get the republican party to drop any pretense and show their true, and awful, colors. and having accomplished his true goal will now step down and retire as America's Most Bigly Hero.
Well, bless you; almost shed a tear. Nice plot and ending.
__________________
"His real name is Count Douchenozzle von Stenchfahrter und Lichtendicks." - Da Joik
Hlafordlaes is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 02:02 PM   #193
Hlafordlaes
Disorder of Kilopi
 
Hlafordlaes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: State of Flux
Posts: 17,621
Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Over-analyzing and intentionally distorting common usages of speech to try and make a nit-picky point.

The very essence of pedantic, sophomoric argument.
Non-analytical. Pure color commentary.
__________________
"His real name is Count Douchenozzle von Stenchfahrter und Lichtendicks." - Da Joik
Hlafordlaes is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 02:18 PM   #194
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,657
Looks like Trump is delivering on immigration, even without the wall:

http://libertyunyielding.com/2017/07...-staying-home/

This is the kind of thing that keeps a lot of his base happy despite his failures.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 04:26 PM   #195
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
 
alfaniner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sorth Dakonsin
Posts: 29,368
Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Over-analyzing and intentionally distorting common usages of speech to try and make a nit-picky point.

The very essence of pedantic, sophomoric argument.
Mine, or his?

Mine makes sense. His doesn't. Disregarding over half of his constituents is much more than a "nit-picky point."
__________________
Science is self-correcting.
Woo is self-contradicting.
alfaniner is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 04:32 PM   #196
Stacko
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,837
The creator of the CNN video has apologized.
Stacko is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 04:40 PM   #197
BobTheCoward
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 22,789
Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
I don't accept because his apology is not credible.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 04:53 PM   #198
Fast Eddie B
Philosopher
 
Fast Eddie B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA
Posts: 7,870
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I don't accept because his apology is not credible.
What would make it credible to you?

Or is he so deplorable as to be beyond redemption?
Fast Eddie B is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 05:09 PM   #199
BobTheCoward
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 22,789
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
What would make it credible to you?

Or is he so deplorable as to be beyond redemption?
The issue is that he is a member of a group that think they are the smartest people out there and think they should purposely deceive and $#!+post as a broader strategy. People from there are not credible.

Edited by jsfisher:  ...snip... Removed content at odds with rules 0 and 12 of the Membership Agreement.

Last edited by jsfisher; 6th July 2017 at 06:50 PM.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Old 4th July 2017, 07:52 PM   #200
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,657
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I don't accept because his apology is not credible.
According to some of the alt-right lads, he's only doing this because of CNN having his particulars firmly in their grasp.

Quote:
CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.
Full article for context here.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Back to Top
Closed Thread

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:04 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.