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25th November 2012, 06:43 PM | #121 |
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Of course not. That was merely an example of the type of thinking you run into, especially amongst the newly-enthralled.
It seems to me that there is the old situation going on in this thread of talking past each other about different things. "Philosophy" used to encompass general learning. "There are more things in your philosophy..." Before scientists were called scientists the usual term was "natural philosopher". If you use the term to indicate general principals of sound thinking and reasoning and logic... That's one thing. However, you can also use the term to speak of a particular philosopher's particular notions....Which are often very obtuse indeed and considering the degree to which such people agree with each other... Often somewhat suspect. |
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That's exactly the problem. "Philosophy" covers everything from Hume to Deleuze, and from Peter Singer to Andrea Dworkin.
Some of it is dumb, obscurantist, unreadable, pointless, useless, offensive or all of the above. Some of it is intelligent, clear, relevant, useful or uplifting, or all of the above. Hating philosophy is like hating books, or movies, or Americans, or Europeans. It's hating an enormously diverse set of things, and doing so merely demonstrates one's own vast ignorance about the topic. |
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And if the level of rationality on this forum only comes for a tiny, eensy, miniscule 0.1% of the population, then is it really reasonable to think that the 99.9% can possibly be as rational, that woo can be reduced to only a small-minority position (>90% or 95% non-belief)?
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Perhaps one good way of finding out what it is that counts as philosophy would be to browse the reading list of a BA Philosophy course from a reputable university. Then read some of the titles on the list, or even just one, and make up your mind about how useful or worthwhile it would be to read more.
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The claim that evidence ought to have value in deducing the truth of a proposition is a philosophical one... assigning (a higher) value to what has verified concerning the proposition. It is an act expressive of belief in a norm. |
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One would think knowledge is a value in itself. This is subjective, of course, as it tends to be with values.
Not everything is. But why would it bother you that a lot of things are? It's not a competition. We just have this type of investigating and exploring of the nature that isn't strictly/exclusively based on empirical data (that's more often than not simply because of the nature of the subject), and we have decided to call it philosophy. |
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I think you poisoned the well didn't you? It wasn't just value you asked for, but value of a particular type toward a particular objective. I would readily admit that philosophy has little or no value if you wish to make a bundt cake.
If you mean value in a more general sense, here's a list of practical value for the degree:http://healthcareethicscanada.blogsp...us-people.html (from 2008)
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You come late to the party, I asked for evidence of value several days ago, since then it has been claimed that it has been presented.
You are restricting the meaning to 'what's in it for me'. I was merely wanting to see anything that might benefit our body of knowledge. All we have seen so far is that science is philosophy. As the only work that appears to be of value in my broad terms is Dennett's work, which is clearly science, I conclude that philosophy is a minor and trivial part of science. |
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Here's an example of a good intersection: Philosophical Foundations of Neuroscience ( http://www.amazon.com/Philosophical-.../dp/140510838X ), written by a philosopher and a neuroscientist. A critique can be found here: http://u15357647.onlinehome-server.c...ources/179.pdf
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Knowing about knowing about knowing about knowledge is frightfully important too.
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