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Old 13th November 2007, 05:34 AM   #201
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So, does the Cheney/Bush debacle at the Commission situation require comment?
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Old 13th November 2007, 06:08 AM   #202
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And he also says something along the lines of the passport surviving 9000 gallons of jet fuel exploding. As if all the jet fuel was used to soak the passport and then exploded. The cockpit has no jet fuel. The wings do. And thousands of papers were on the streets after the impacts. They didn't burn either.
Funny thing is I have done test to see how likely it is for a document to survive a jet fuel blast, the blast front expanding air ahead of the fire Shields the paper, 87% of the time, the passport should survive that is what should happen can not believe how Dumb the Loose change film makers actually are.
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Old 13th November 2007, 06:14 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Funny thing is I have done test to see how likely it is for a document to survive a jet fuel blast, the blast front expanding air ahead of the fire Shields the paper, 87% of the time, the passport should survive that is what should happen can not believe how Dumb the Loose change film makers actually are.
Your tests are the best Just confirms how not unlikely at all it was to find that passport in such a good condition.
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Old 13th November 2007, 07:07 AM   #204
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Interesting. If Jones is paying for LTW's living, and he goes bankrupt if LCFC fails, then if this does fail will the Truth Movement effectively collapse?
It's the load transfer beam of the Truth Movement.
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Old 13th November 2007, 07:35 AM   #205
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As an aside:

What's with the jazzy music behind the footage of other plane crashes?
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Old 13th November 2007, 07:50 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by TC329 View Post
So you're now actually denying AA11 remained on the radar after it's impact with the North Tower?

Really?

Please say yes.
I just ran across this gem from the first page.

TC, am I reading this right?

You want someone to "deny" AA11 remained on the radar after it's impact, correct?

Ok, I deny it. Duh.

Was another plane MISTAKEN for AA11? Perhaps. But, if you read through many of the accounts (including cheapshots) you'll find that someone probably was just passing "old" information along leading the controllers and others to think AA11 was still airborne.

How could it still be on the radar after it crashed? Are you a no planer?
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Old 13th November 2007, 08:04 AM   #207
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Just listened to Alex Jones' broadcast today. He went into the second hour before plugging LCFC, which again reinforced my impression that Jones and the LC kids are somewhat on the skids. He made a claim that he personally will have to declare bankruptcy if Loose Change isn't a success.
And you said that nothing good could come from this movie.

It is actually ironic that Mr anti-federal-reserve would have to rely on the modern credit system...
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Old 13th November 2007, 08:40 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus View Post
So, does the Cheney/Bush debacle at the Commission situation require comment?
I don't doubt that the reason for testifying together was so that there wouldn't be any minor, embarrassing contradictions between the two sets of testimony that could be seized on by either the partisans or the conspiracy theorists. Bush was in a position to demand this and he did. Liberals are in a position to criticize it and they did. Conspiracy theorists are in a position to find it mysterious and they did.
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I didn't mean errors of fact, I meant coding errors, lol

I haven't watched the whole thing, but so far it is synched okay and all.

One funny thing I just noticed that when Dylan talks about those who believe a 757 did not hit the Pentagon, he says they are "fueled" by lack of structural debris, etc., but they way he pronounces it, it comes out sounding like "fooled".
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Old 13th November 2007, 09:07 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus View Post
I thought by far the most compelling video he showed was of George Bush holding the news conference in which he wanted to have the testimonial behind closed doors and not under oath, with Dick Cheney (In order to get their evidence straight wink wink).

It was very edgy and mysterious, which indeed is the loose change way. And it proves to be effective propoganda. At least in my eyes.

I managed to hammer it into myself however that this proves absolutely nothing other than it is a bit fishy.

Any takers on this?
Well what they don't say is that the likes of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Madeline Albright, Richard A. Clarke, all of which testified under oath and in the public, with the exception of Al Gore.

Is Dylan going to say that all of these govenment officials lied under oath (except Al) to protect Dick and George? This is why it doesn't matter much to me that they weren't under oath, because so many in their cabinet were.
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Old 13th November 2007, 09:53 AM   #211
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Well. I guess i can just delete the 14 1/2 megabytes out of 631 I started to download last night on Azureus, Nothing to see here. Or maybe I should just continue to download and not view it just to share it. It would be like knifing dylans pockets.
In the time it took me to type this its already at 54 megabytes.
Just curious, why would you want to take away portions of the proceeds that will be going to benefit first responser's and their families?

Or are you willing to give that portion of the proceeds the FealGood Foundation out of your own pocket instead of paying for the film?

Or are you more interested in viewing the film for free rather than helping out first responders?
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Just curious, why would you want to take away portions of the proceeds that will be going to benefit first responser's and their families?

Or are you willing to give that portion of the proceeds the FealGood Foundation out of your own pocket instead of paying for the film?

Or are you more interested in viewing the film for free rather than helping out first responders?
That's a great idea - people could donate a few bucks to an appropriate charity when you download the video for free, rather than mess around with paid downloads etc. After all, Louder Than Words said they'll donate more than United 93 did to charity, right - so they need all the donations they can get (and of course Avery et al won't be taking any money for themselves, right?) if they're ever going to reach that $1.25m donation

Maybe someone should suggest this on the Loose Change forum? How about $7 donation if you download and watch the video for free, and $10 if you download the video for free and don't watch all of it...
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Old 13th November 2007, 10:03 AM   #213
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Just curious, why would you want to take away portions of the proceeds that will be going to benefit first responser's and their families?

If I purchased the FC download, only 70 cents would be going to the victims and first responders. I'd rather give that complete 7 dollars to them than have $6.30 go into Dylan's pockets.
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Old 13th November 2007, 10:08 AM   #214
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Just curious, why would you want to take away portions of the proceeds that will be going to benefit first responser's and their families?

Or are you willing to give that portion of the proceeds the FealGood Foundation out of your own pocket instead of paying for the film?

Or are you more interested in viewing the film for free rather than helping out first responders?

No monies will ever make it to the foundation. Alex Jones said just today that he will go bankrupt if this film don't take off. He lamented having to support four people over the course of two years.
You may also want to ask Louder Than Words LLC why they officially released a full length version on Google Video, In that respect They themselves are cheating the feal good foundation.


and since dylan is done making videos why dont he sell off his gigantic flat screens and editing equipment along with his ATVs? Donate Those proceeds.
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Just curious, why would you want to take away portions of the proceeds that will be going to benefit first responser's and their families?

Or are you willing to give that portion of the proceeds the FealGood Foundation out of your own pocket instead of paying for the film?

Or are you more interested in viewing the film for free rather than helping out first responders?
I'd rather give the first responders the 7.50 than help pay for Avery, Bermass, and Rowe's way through life.
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Alex Jones said just today that he will go bankrupt if this film don't take off. He lamented having to support four people over the course of two years.
I was thinking about that - how much of a hole can you get into from supporting four people with living expenses etc? I've done bits of work for 'good causes' for little or no money - and it's surprising how little you can spend if you cut back on non-essentials (and working excessive hours helps reduce spending opportunities, too ). I wonder how much money the four got through in 2 years...?
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If I purchased the FC download, only 70 cents would be going to the victims and first responders. I'd rather give that complete 7 dollars to them than have $6.30 go into Dylan's pockets.
No, he said they would donate 10% of the profits. After buying a new plasma tv, Alex Jones and DRg's fees and some more ATVs, how much profit do you think they will make off of this?
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I don't doubt that the reason for testifying together was so that there wouldn't be any minor, embarrassing contradictions between the two sets of testimony that could be seized on by either the partisans or the conspiracy theorists. Bush was in a position to demand this and he did. Liberals are in a position to criticize it and they did. Conspiracy theorists are in a position to find it mysterious and they did.
But Brainster, this is such a boring and mundane explanation.

Can you jazz it up a bit?

Actually, here is something extra, why no oath?

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Why'd Al Gore testify under the same exact conditions?

As I said, the rest of Dubya's cabinet testified in public and under oath, so what's it matter really?
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Thinking..

George Bush and Dick Cheney are willing to fib infront of the entire world for 6 years, but feel an oath is too far.

Is there perhaps any law that cannot be inforced if you testify whilst not under oath?
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The Commissioners also said that they were quite satisfied with their testimonies. Odds are they wanted this to make sure no stupid mistakes were made (i.e. Cheney making sure Dubya sounded intelligent to them). And what would Gore have to hide that he refused to go under Oath, even though President Clinton did?
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The Commissioners also said that they were quite satisfied with their testimonies. Odds are they wanted this to make sure no stupid mistakes were made (i.e. Cheney making sure Dubya sounded intelligent to them). And what would Gore have to hide that he refused to go under Oath, even though President Clinton did?
If we wanted to woo it out a bit, without our brains coming out, we could even speculate something like the Iran-Hezbollah-Al Qeada link was an issue they didn't want the public hearing a statement from the President on.

With this wild speculation aside, we can see how truthers are just like the creationists who believe a gap in the fossil record means God rather than Aliens etc etc.
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No, he said they would donate 10% of the profits. After buying a new plasma tv, Alex Jones and DRg's fees and some more ATVs, how much profit do you think they will make off of this?
you're right. With them claiming the final cut cost "six figures to make" and the fact that they didn't bring in 4 grand at the movie theater release, they got a LONG way to go before they start seeing a profit
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No, he said they would donate 10% of the profits. After buying a new plasma tv, Alex Jones and DRg's fees and some more ATVs, how much profit do you think they will make off of this?
And don't forget to take out the cost of four people living together for two years (WTF?!).

I guess that includes the amount of money Dylan and his friends think they could have made if they'd had real jobs for two years instead of bumming around editing videos.

Then there's all the equipment they bought which contributed in the slightest way to making the movie (like the plasmas).

Take out the costs of four-walling and I reckon the Fealgood Foundation owes LTW about $500,000.
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The movie we can't debunk...because Dylan barely says a [rule10] thing!
Presenting LOOSE CHANGE: FINAL CUT

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That's Kristina 'Kristy' Kissner.

Their general manager, bookkeeper, financial advisor and publicity director along with general offices duties, scheduling and phone support.

http://www.loosechange911.com/crew.shtml
Holy FSM... has anyone read this?

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A Business Economics and Finance Major and the State University College at Oneonta, Kristina began her involvement with Loose Change and Louder Than Words in 2004 when she was casted as "Kim the Waitress" in the original fictional production of Loose Change. Those scenes essentially turned into hour-long outtakes and Loose Change: The Movie was indefinitely postponed for obvious reasons.
I can't believe he boasts about this kinda stuff!
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A Business Economics and Finance Major and the State University College at Oneonta, Kristina began her involvement with Loose Change and Louder Than Words in 2004 when she was casted as "Kim the Waitress" in the original fictional production of Loose Change.
She obviously wasn't an English major. You would think she could have helped Dylan out with the econ stuff, $1 trillion of gold stolen and all.
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Around 1:24 Dylan says they stopped using asbestos fireproofing at the 64th floor of WTC2. Was it not the 34th floor of WTC1 with none in WTC2?

He also claims that asbestos removal would have cost over $1 billion.
Yup. That's three errors right there.
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I dont know if anyone mentioned it but the Google link on the first page wasnt the film. It was a bonus feature from the DVD.
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Originally Posted by Swing Dangler View Post
Just curious, why would you want to take away portions of the proceeds that will be going to benefit first responser's and their families?

Or are you willing to give that portion of the proceeds the FealGood Foundation out of your own pocket instead of paying for the film?

Or are you more interested in viewing the film for free rather than helping out first responders?
As a family member of a first responder (do you even know any?) I can tell you that not one single first responder we know would take a dime from any organization spreading the lie that 9/11 is an inside job.
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I dont know if anyone mentioned it but the Google link on the first page wasnt the film. It was a bonus feature from the DVD.
The link went to Google video of the first 75 minutes or so of the film, which was what was seeded to bit torrent. Most of us have seen the whole thing. I had heard that some of the stuff people were getting off Google Video was the bonus material, which probably means that it's just recyled stuff from their fifth anniversary vanity videos.

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I can't find the post, but did Alex Jones really say he would be bankrupt is Loose Change FC was not a sucess?? Anyone have a source??
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#Ziad Jarrah sent a fairwell letter to his girlfriend in Germany, with the words 'You will see the results, and everybody will be happy'. He also mentions that they will 'meet again', and ends it with 'goodbye'. He phoned her on the morning of 9/11 at 5am and told her he loved her three times.

If I was Dylan, I should ask, in an unbiased documentary, 'Why was he saying fairwell'? Why did he mention 'the results'? Why did he tell her he loved her three times at 5am?' The timing fits with morning prayer.
Another good one is "Why did Ziad forget his girlfriend's address?"

The only people who have ever seen that letter are the FBI. It has never been made public and Zaid's family calls it a fake.

Do you not know these things or do you selectively choose what you think is important?
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Old 13th November 2007, 08:50 PM   #235
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Originally Posted by Mr.Herbert View Post
I can't find the post, but did Alex Jones really say he would be bankrupt is Loose Change FC was not a sucess?? Anyone have a source??
He claimed that on yesterday's radio show. Let me make clear that I doubt very much that Alex is really going to go belly up even if Loose Change doesn't sell a single DVD. He's just saying that to get the faithful to buy the product.
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Old 13th November 2007, 10:02 PM   #236
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Originally Posted by TC329 View Post
Another good one is "Why did Ziad forget his girlfriend's address?"

The only people who have ever seen that letter are the FBI.
Then how do you know it exists?
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Old 13th November 2007, 11:07 PM   #237
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Originally Posted by Alt+F4 View Post
Then how do you know it exists?
You catch on quick, don't you?
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Old 14th November 2007, 02:21 AM   #238
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Don't you guys have Habeas Corpus back again, as declared nonexistent in the movie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_...on_Act_of_2007
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Old 14th November 2007, 03:33 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by TC329 View Post
You catch on quick, don't you?
Nice dodge.
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Old 14th November 2007, 04:54 AM   #240
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Originally Posted by TC329 View Post
You catch on quick, don't you?
Well, are you going to answer the question? How do you know it exists, if only the FBI has seen it?
Or are you now an FBI agent?
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