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18th April 2019, 08:05 AM | #241 |
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People always rationalize. Even Christians, who put their faith in front of the reason, do rationalize. They do believe because something happened to them. They will explain it in length. It's never 'I believe, because I believe'.
Same with these woo fighters. Sure there are some which are clearly doing it for profit and do not actually believe a word of it. But lots of them do actually believe. And they will use formulas and models. They will use all tools of the science .. except skepticism. Add Dunning-Kruger effect to the mix, and these people are bound to happen. Everybody is going through the phase of overestimating his knowledge. It's just a matter of how fast he will realize his error. |
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Exercises like this are rarely about establishing correct fact, and more often about establishing the speaker as a respectable, if not superior, purveyor of fact and insight. It usually comes down to a fantasy construct where the speaker is an authority and the audience are sheep. This is why you don't see him addressing the questions that dissolve the foundation of that construct. We, the sheeple, believe in NASA and space travel, but he who is more enlightened has seen through the sham.
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Indeed he's been asked several times whether he believes any space travel is authentic, and if not then how are certain things accomplished that appear to be the result of functional spacefaring. The inability to explain the evident consequents of an antecedent one means to refute is a failure of the refutation.
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Agreed, yet I know some who have. There was a UFO author in the UK many years ago who simultaneously claimed the Apollo missions were faked, but also that the astronauts found evidence of aliens on the Moon. He was entirely serious and didn't see why that should be considered a contradictory position.
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And the explanation is clearly wrong
Newton's 3rd law is universal. Or are you suggesting that hundreds of satellites (which have manoeuvring thrusters) don't work ? Or that we never landed on the moon ? (the Apollo missions made multiple mid-range manoeuvres using rockets). |
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This very much reminds me of:
See above. Thank you for repeating this. When I skimmed the thread above, I really thought that the rockets might have something to do with the 1812 Overture. TSIOL, TSIOL-kovsky. Got it. Not that other guy. I learned a new thing today. Stundie, is that you? Before parking meters went digital, it used to be common for someone to ask you for a "solid quarter" for the parking meter. Many of us noted that all quarters are indeed solid. |
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I'm sure you agree with me in doubting that you'll ever get a substantive response to your questions. He doesn't have them, and he knows he doesn't. The dynamics of disorganized public debate have given him a linguistic McGuffin to chew on now instead of defending his ignorant view of Newtonian physics. That way he can pretend to be actively engaged without being required to address the hard questions.
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You tell 'em, Gingervytes!
No, b'god, I'll tell 'em! I'm a handloader. If I load a rifle cartidge with a light bullet and fire it off, it kicks. And if I load a cartridge with a heavier bullet & the same amount of powder & then shoot, IT KICKS HARDER! Let's see how you answer that, skeptics. & if I shoot over ocean water, the bullet lands in it just like any other NASTA rocket. |
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The video and you are clearly wrong. Newtons law does not depend on the surrounding fluid/lack of fluid.
Consider a simple experiment. You have a container that has one and only one opening and you put some mass that has pressure. The pressure is greater than the fluid around the container and is contained in every direction by the container with the exception of the opening. The pressure F= ma will exert that force in all directions except the opening has no confinement. The resulting net force in the opposite direction of that opening will result in the container being accelerated in the opposite direction, regardless of what is around the container. As Jay sts60 have pointed out to you have failed to present a case that disproves Newton. Your video does not. |
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And it was explained in detail how it was wrong. One of his critics helpfully showed how the video wrongly portrayed certain scenarios as systems in which Newtonian conservation of momentum should be conserved, and misstated how conservation should be evinced in the cases where momentum applied. He claimed he had addressed the refutation, but cannot show us where; he merely restated the belief that the refutation disputed. Then he demanded a "demonstration." A claimant does not get to insist upon only one of several valid forms of rebuttal; it is perfectly valid to show that the claim is based on an incorrect premise.
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Then you are on the hook to answer all the questions that arise from claims that it does. If you have no alternative explanation, your hypothesis is less predictive than the conventional narrative.
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For a real world test, just squirt a garden hose under high pressure and feel the kickback.
But the OP is basically saying you can't do a push up against the air, I take it. You need resistance in the form of the ground, or in the case of a rocket, matter for the gas to push against. How to explain within that self imposed parameter that resistance is not needed? |
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