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Old 20th May 2017, 07:46 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Hungry81 View Post
The problem obviously is not enough guns are out there keeping everyone safe. C'mon law abiding patriotic citizens of the USA, keep buying guns and fighting for relaxed gun laws until some poor widdle powice feel safe enough that they don't have to shoot unarmed people.

The issue under discussion here is the cops' increasing propensity to shoot anyone they think might be armed, and the cop groupies' insistence that such fear provides the basis of a legal carte blanche to do it in almost every possible scenario.

Making gun ownership and possession even more ubiquitous than it already is doesn't sound like the best way to alleviate that fear.

The logical progression would be for the cops to just shoot everyone they stop out of an abundance of caution.

Who could hold them at fault for that?

(As long as they don't shoot too many white people, of course.)
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Old 20th May 2017, 08:41 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Who could hold them at fault for that?

(As long as they don't shoot too many white people, of course.)
You don't get any points for hitting the white part of the target:
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Old 20th May 2017, 10:38 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
The issue under discussion here is the cops' increasing propensity to shoot anyone they think might be armed, and the cop groupies' insistence that such fear provides the basis of a legal carte blanche to do it in almost every possible scenario.

Making gun ownership and possession even more ubiquitous than it already is doesn't sound like the best way to alleviate that fear.

The logical progression would be for the cops to just shoot everyone they stop out of an abundance of caution.

Who could hold them at fault for that?

(As long as they don't shoot too many white people, of course.)
So what your saying is, an abundance of guns with lax or impotent controls in which said guns can easily be carried around legally or illegally in public environs can generate uncertainty, fear and distrust in basic everyday situations, to such an extent that police feel it necessary to use their own weapons for percieved protection in situations that don't actually require them to?


Nah.. guns make people safer. A good guy with a gun beats a bad guy without a gun. Ergo the guy who was shot was a bad guy. Thats what I've been told

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Old 21st May 2017, 03:10 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
The issue under discussion here is the cops' increasing propensity to shoot anyone they think might be armed, and the cop groupies' insistence that such fear provides the basis of a legal carte blanche to do it in almost every possible scenario.
I really doubt there is any increase at all - just more video of what was already happening.

Anecdotes don't equal evidence, I've yet to see any numbers suggesting that the number of people being shot by police has increased.
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Old 24th May 2017, 02:49 PM   #165
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Anecdotes don't equal evidence, I've yet to see any numbers suggesting that the number of people being shot by police has increased.
Isn't that partly because the data was never collected?
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Old 25th May 2017, 03:07 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Isn't that partly because the data was never collected?
Of course, if we collected it we might prove how bad our police forces are, and that would be worse than simply being ignorant of how bad our police forces are.
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Old 25th May 2017, 12:15 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Of course, if we collected it we might prove how bad our police forces are, and that would be worse than simply being ignorant of how bad our police forces are.

In 1994 Congress passed a bill which (among other things);
"...mandated that the attorney general collect data on the use of excessive force by police and publish an annual report from the data.[14]"
It was roundly ignored by police departments across the country. and as it included no provisions for actually enforcing the law;
"In part due to the lack of participation from state and local agencies, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stopped keeping count in March 2014.[16]"
Two years ago;

"Senators Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Cory Booker (D-NJ) announced plans to introduce legislation that would require all states to report to the Justice Department any time a police officer is involved in a shooting or any other use of force that results in death, the Washington Post reports. The bill goes further than the Death In Custody Reporting Act, which was approved by Congress last year. Each state would be required to provide details including age, gender, race and whether the person was armed for any police shooting."
This was spurred by a series of Guardian articles which determined that the number of deaths caused by police officers which our government was able to tally was consistently roughly half of those which actually occurred.

Needless to say, with a Republican majority in Congress that effort seems to have received very little support.

As you point out, it would seem that those in control in Congress would rather it not be known just how many people our police kill.
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