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Old 1st February 2019, 11:37 PM   #601
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
The kids these days use Bluetooth earbuds or those apple thingies. Phone remains safely in pocket. Come on.
Good pick up. I’m wearing ear pods now and have been answering calls with them, but I didn’t think to make your obvious point.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 12:44 AM   #602
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So many suspect things in this story.

I'm guessing there was a confrontation, and someone, possibly 2 people said some things the actor didn't like possibly in an aggressive manner. I wouldn't even be overly surprised if a shove happened. Then wanting to get a bit of revenge the actor reports the incident as a violent attack, knowing there would be likely some footage of them together.

At this point he is realizing that while that footage of the arguement may or may not exist there isn't enough non accounted for time for his story to make sense as anything more than a brief verbal or mildly physical (shoving at worst) encounter and is being as unhelpful as possible in the hopes the police will give up.

Not a perfect theory but it makes more sense than. ..
Someone being so shook up they forget to take off a noose but remembers their sandwich.

Someone getting covered in bleach, but the sandwich remaining unscathed.

The attackers not destroying the sandwich.

The attackers not using the noose.

The attackers not noticing the victim was in mid phone call.

Among the many more questionable elements of the story.
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You can tell the story is real because it sounds so fake.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
I didn't say racists don't exist. Racists most certainly do exist. There are over 7 billion of them, in fact.

What I'm saying is that the type of racists described in this hoax, in the area it's claimed to have happened in, do not exist.

This event did not happen.
I take it in your assiduous attempts to avoid mudbloods and minorities, you haven't actually spent a whole lot of time with the homeless.

Many of the homeless, unfortunately, are predatory. The only groups they can pick on without drawing massively unwanted attention or their fellow homeless. If you don't think there are an equal number of hateful homophobic racists homeless to that in the general population, you're (yet again) sadly mistaken in your assessment of America. And the number one reason that LGBT people stay out of the shelters is the predatory violence, not just by callous staff but by their fellow homeless!

Meadmaker was offering a hypothetical equal to the many offered here by people who are dying to believe that this is all made up. I'm particularly fond of the magic-scooters-that-don't-exist and that have thus morphed into pedal bikes, but others have their favorites. Is Meadmaker's hypothetical any less possible than the "bar fight" proposed by one poster? The lover's tiff proposed by another. The infamous vanishing scooters?
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Jeez, if only a professional group of, say, the police could investigate this event and come to a conclusion.

Never mind, this will never happen and we have to rely on an Internet forum which includes self-confessed racists and “skeptical” fellow travellers to get to the bottom of this. I can now sleep safely at night.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 03:33 AM   #606
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
If that's a valid leak then



However, at this stage no additional absurdity increases the unlikelihood of the scenario.

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No, I would expect it to have been a planned attack, like many attacks on celebrities are.
I've already dealt with that. According to his own testimony the two ninja Trump supporters were surprised to see him and recognise him from the show. If they had been tracking him why on earth would they need to check his identity?

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Jeez, if only a professional group of, say, the police could investigate this event and come to a conclusion.
Happily they will do (see my earlier quote). According to the cops, there are so many cameras in that area that if the attack did happen, they are guaranteed to find the culprits. It follows that if they do not find the culprits, the attack certainly did not happen. Do you want to make a bet?
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Old 2nd February 2019, 04:05 AM   #607
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If that's a valid leak then



However, at this stage no additional absurdity increases the unlikelihood of the scenario.



I've already dealt with that. According to his own testimony the two ninja Trump supporters were surprised to see him and recognise him from the show. If they had been tracking him why on earth would they need to check his identity?



Happily they will do (see my earlier quote). According to the cops, there are so many cameras in that area that if the attack did happen, they are guaranteed to find the culprits. It follows that if they do not find the culprits, the attack certainly did not happen. Do you want to make a bet?
Yes i will make a bet that you are full of it.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 04:09 AM   #608
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Yes i will make a bet that you are full of it.
That's not much of a bet, but it will do.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I take it in your assiduous attempts to avoid mudbloods and minorities, you haven't actually spent a whole lot of time with the homeless.

Many of the homeless, unfortunately, are predatory. The only groups they can pick on without drawing massively unwanted attention or their fellow homeless. If you don't think there are an equal number of hateful homophobic racists homeless to that in the general population, you're (yet again) sadly mistaken in your assessment of America. And the number one reason that LGBT people stay out of the shelters is the predatory violence, not just by callous staff but by their fellow homeless!

Meadmaker was offering a hypothetical equal to the many offered here by people who are dying to believe that this is all made up. I'm particularly fond of the magic-scooters-that-don't-exist and that have thus morphed into pedal bikes, but others have their favorites. Is Meadmaker's hypothetical any less possible than the "bar fight" proposed by one poster? The lover's tiff proposed by another. The infamous vanishing scooters?
If you're homeless, at 2 am, in 5 degree weather, and you are going through the trouble of assaulting a sandwich packing celebrity, isn't it reasonable safe to assume you'd be hungry? I always thought hunger and homelessness went pretty much hand in hand, so I'd also assume, if you are going though the trouble of knocking him down, yelling this is MAGA country, dousing him with your last cup of bleach, and leaving behind your best belt, that you might just go ahead and relieve your victim of their Subway fresh sandwich in the process. Pure speculation on my part, as I've never been outright homeless in sub freezing temperatures, mind you. But it seems like something even a crazy homeless person or two would do, given the opportunity.
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One crucial piece of evidence has not been reported in all this.
What kind of sandwich was it?

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Especially taking into account he was on the phone with his manager when the attack happened.
I am skeptical that even this is true. His manager would have good reason to cover for him if he knows the real story.
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One crucial piece of evidence has not been reported in all this.
What kind of sandwich was it?
Come on you guys. I thought surely someone was gonna say "baloney"
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One crucial piece of evidence has not been reported in all this.
What kind of sandwich was it?
Given that he beat off his attackers, I am guessing a couple of six inchers with plenty of hot mayo.
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The more I think about this, the more I'm leaning toward his story being true. There's a lot of suspect things about it, but there are a lot of suspect things about any scenario. Here's the scenario I've concocted as a hypothesis.

The attackers knew exactly who he was, and knew he was a successful, black, homo. I've never seen "Empire" and didn't even recognize it as the name of a show, but apparently he plays a gay character, so would it be possible that it could be described as a "liberal" show? So he's a successful, black, liberal, homo. He's exactly the sort of person that they really hate.

The goal of the attack was pure ethnic/homophobic intimidation. They weren't trying to kill him or even cause injury. Just threaten, maybe slap around a bit. Throw a noose on him, yell some taunts, and get the hell out of there before getting caught.

The live or work in the area, so they are familiar with his habits. My first guess would be people who work late hours in either food service or sanitation, people who are used to using bleach to clean up filth, and who would have some of it right at hand as an extra symbolic gesture.

The bitterly cold night really throws a lot of things into question for me, but maybe even that played into the attackers' plans. On such a night, two guys in full facemasks wouldn't look out of place. It is conceivable that, working in the area, they even knew of a concealed spot that wasn't covered by surveillance cameras.

So, it's kind of a planned attack, but more of a fantasized one than actual planned. They talk about, "Back in the good old days, we would know exactly what to do with a ****** like that.", said while fashioning a noose, because cool people know how to tie noose. Then, the opportunity arises to actual turn the fantasy into reality. They jump him, tie their noose, and run like hell.

From the victim's perspective, he gets his sandwich, is talking on the phone to his friend/manager, when he gets blindsided and knocked to the ground. His phone is knocked out of his hand. Two crazy guys yelling Trump slogans are putting a noose around his neck and he's afraid. They run away. He's left dazed and angry. He has to spend a couple of minutes finding his phone.


Call the cops? Maybe he hates cops. Maybe he's drugged up. His injuries aren't so bad that he needs immediate attention. The attackers are long gone because he spent a few minutes looking for his phone (and he of course picked up his sandwich) There are all sorts of reasons he might not feel like making the immediate call. And why leave the noose? Hmmm.....it isn't tight. It wasn't actually a weapon. He's planning on calling the cops and doesn't want to disturb it? He wants to tell someone and show them what was done? (I'm reminded of Jackie Kennedy not washing off the blood so she can show the world what "they've" done.)


So, that's my leading theory right now.


An alternative theory is that it was pure politics and publicity. That also fits the evidence, sort of.


Well, sorting it all out is what detectives do for a living, so hopefully they will catch a perpetrator, whether the crime was assault or whether it was filing a false police report.
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If you're homeless, at 2 am, in 5 degree weather, and you are going through the trouble of assaulting a sandwich packing celebrity, isn't it reasonable safe to assume you'd be hungry?
To be fair, the homeless guy was so eager to get back to his TV under the railway bridge and watch 'Empire' that he totally forgot to pick up the sandwich. Doh!
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The more I think about this, the more I'm leaning toward his story being true. There's a lot of suspect things about it, but there are a lot of suspect things about any scenario. Here's the scenario I've concocted as a hypothesis.

The attackers knew exactly who he was, and knew he was a successful, black, homo. I've never seen "Empire" and didn't even recognize it as the name of a show, but apparently he plays a gay character, so would it be possible that it could be described as a "liberal" show? So he's a successful, black, liberal, homo. He's exactly the sort of person that they really hate.

The goal of the attack was pure ethnic/homophobic intimidation. They weren't trying to kill him or even cause injury. Just threaten, maybe slap around a bit. Throw a noose on him, yell some taunts, and get the hell out of there before getting caught.

The live or work in the area, so they are familiar with his habits. My first guess would be people who work late hours in either food service or sanitation, people who are used to using bleach to clean up filth, and who would have some of it right at hand as an extra symbolic gesture.

The bitterly cold night really throws a lot of things into question for me, but maybe even that played into the attackers' plans. On such a night, two guys in full facemasks wouldn't look out of place. It is conceivable that, working in the area, they even knew of a concealed spot that wasn't covered by surveillance cameras.

So, it's kind of a planned attack, but more of a fantasized one than actual planned. They talk about, "Back in the good old days, we would know exactly what to do with a ****** like that.", said while fashioning a noose, because cool people know how to tie noose. Then, the opportunity arises to actual turn the fantasy into reality. They jump him, tie their noose, and run like hell.

From the victim's perspective, he gets his sandwich, is talking on the phone to his friend/manager, when he gets blindsided and knocked to the ground. His phone is knocked out of his hand. Two crazy guys yelling Trump slogans are putting a noose around his neck and he's afraid. They run away. He's left dazed and angry. He has to spend a couple of minutes finding his phone.


Call the cops? Maybe he hates cops. Maybe he's drugged up. His injuries aren't so bad that he needs immediate attention. The attackers are long gone because he spent a few minutes looking for his phone (and he of course picked up his sandwich) There are all sorts of reasons he might not feel like making the immediate call. And why leave the noose? Hmmm.....it isn't tight. It wasn't actually a weapon. He's planning on calling the cops and doesn't want to disturb it? He wants to tell someone and show them what was done? (I'm reminded of Jackie Kennedy not washing off the blood so she can show the world what "they've" done.)


So, that's my leading theory right now.


An alternative theory is that it was pure politics and publicity. That also fits the evidence, sort of.


Well, sorting it all out is what detectives do for a living, so hopefully they will catch a perpetrator, whether the crime was assault or whether it was filing a false police report.
I read your post and I hear a parson so afraid of sounding bigoted they can't stand behind the statement that the evidence doesn't fit the story. Instead concocting a very unique racially motivated attack to explain some of many inconsistencies.
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Good pick up. I’m wearing ear pods now and have been answering calls with them, but I didn’t think to make your obvious point.
I'm still having a hard time adjusting. They all look like crazy people talking to themselves to me. Side note, but why do so many people want to be in animated telephone conversations in public? Really, the bus, sidewalk and grocery store does not want to hear about your drama.
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I read your post and I hear a parson so afraid of sounding bigoted they can't stand behind the statement that the evidence doesn't fit the story. Instead concocting a very unique racially motivated attack to explain some of many inconsistencies.
I don't have a solid opinion either way but I do appreciate Meadmaker's attempt to formulate a possible scenario that covers most of the reported details of the incident. I'm reminded of the concept that defense attorneys must always do the same for their clients.

I'd say Meadmaker's attempt to apply logic to the situation is in the true spirit of skepticism. It seems like he's not putting it forward as the truth, only as a way the various claims could fit together to be true.
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The kids these days use Bluetooth earbuds or those apple thingies. Phone remains safely in pocket. Come on.
I haven't seen a BT earpiece in a long while. They used to be popular, though.
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None of the scenarios I can come up with make any sense to me.

For all the reasons others have posted, the idea that he is telling the truth is at best suspect. It could be. It has been said that there are some homeless dudes around. Imagine (it's not much of a stretch) that a couple of them are racists. They learn that the guy they see sometimes is an uppity ****** queer guy. (Counting on autocensor) They decide to beat him up and show him who's boss. That isn't too much of a stretch. But in the middle of a very cold night, and they just happen to conduct the attack in an area that isn't covered by cameras? And the sandwich....? Seems weird.


But.....it's fake? What? A publicity stunt? That seems weird.



I keep trying to come up with something that happened, and he needed a cover story. In the middle of some kinky sex game, and requires medical attention, so they make up a story about MAGA hat wearers? Unless the kinky sex games required a sandwich, it doesn't seem good, and although he was treated, it doesn't sound like his wounds were all that sever that he absolutely had to go to the hospital.


I even wondered if maybe a suicide attempt. But.....sandwich?


No. I can't come up with anything. Nothing fits. What's the frequency, Kenneth? By default, I'll assume he's telling the truth, and figure that there are professonals following up on this to reveal what really happened.
Smollett isn't normally there, I think, so the homeless probably rarely see him.

He only arrived that night.

It seems like the single digit (F) temps probably kept the homeless off the streets.

I still don't think he really needed medical attention.

But yeah, the whole thing is an odd puzzle.
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Smollett isn't normally there, I think, so the homeless probably rarely see him.

He only arrived that night.

It seems like the single digit (F) temps probably kept the homeless off the streets.

I still don't think he really needed medical attention.

But yeah, the whole thing is an odd puzzle.
From what I've read Empire is suppose to be in New York but is filmed in Chicago. So I think Smollet is in Chicago on a predictable timeline.
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horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

I don’t see any reason at all to blame homeless people for this but someone mentioned that they were unlikely to be around in this area. That’s not true - one, that’s where the best money is from panhandling and two, the “lower” streets are warm for sleeping. Besides escaping the wind rain and snow, high rise building exhaust air vents warm certain areas down there and you’ll see clusters of homeless around them.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/News/empir...ry?id=60799500

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“Jussie is so honored to perform for his fans, friends and family on Saturday night. However, please forgive us. For security reasons, we cannot accommodate any meet & greets. Your meet & greet upgrade can either be refunded or donated to the Black AIDS Institute in your name,” said the email provided to ABC News.
The Black AIDS Institute. You read that right. An establishment dedicated to combating the scourge of AIDS... in black people only.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Smollett isn't normally there, I think, so the homeless probably rarely see him.

He only arrived that night.

It seems like the single digit (F) temps probably kept the homeless off the streets.

I still don't think he really needed medical attention.

But yeah, the whole thing is an odd puzzle.
Hmmm.....that throws a monkey wrench into my theory, either the brief "homeless attack" version to which you were responding directly, or the longer, more thought out version. I assumed in that one it was by people familiar with his habits.

If they recognized him, everything else still fits, but only at a real stretch. They would decide spontaneously on the bleach and noose attack? That would be very weird.

Whatever happened, something is weird. It's weird to fake hate attacks. It's weird to attack random people on the street, but both have happened at one time or another.

When all is said and done, I got nothing. Detectives, do your duty.



But if this had been an Agatha Christie novel, that whole bleach thing would have been a great insight, and the key to solving the case. If only he had been walking home from the pub with some fish and chips instead of leaving a Subway.
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The Black AIDS Institute. You read that right. An establishment dedicated to combating the scourge of AIDS... in black people only.
Only a master contortionist could take offence at this. Do you have the same problem with Children’s Hospitals?

Bigotry shines through.
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Hmmm.....that throws a monkey wrench into my theory, either the brief "homeless attack" version to which you were responding directly, or the longer, more thought out version. I assumed in that one it was by people familiar with his habits...
There's also Twitter, facetime etc. He might keep in touch with his followers by giving them something called updates as to his whereabouts, gigs etc.
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Only a master contortionist could take offence at this. Do you have the same problem with Children’s Hospitals?
No. Children are not the same as adults and have different needs. Are you saying blacks are not the same as whites?

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Bigotry shines through.
It certainly looks that way.
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No. Children are not the same as adults and have different needs. Are you saying blacks are not the same as whites?
They definitely do not always have access to the same resources or socioeconomic priority, which is the reason focused initiatives like this have long been necessary.
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They definitely do not always have access to the same resources or socioeconomic priority, which is the reason focused initiatives like this have long been necessary.
I doubt the majority of whites with HIV and AIDS are particularly privileged either.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 02:11 PM   #629
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/News/empir...ry?id=60799500



The Black AIDS Institute. You read that right. An establishment dedicated to combating the scourge of AIDS... in black people only.
In a world with plenty of partisan SJW crap that merits legitimate scorn... This isn't one of them. Please reconsider resorting to this kind dick rhetoric.
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In a world with plenty of partisan SJW crap that merits legitimate scorn... This isn't one of them. Please reconsider resorting to this kind dick rhetoric.
That must be why the organisation refers to itself as 'unapologetic' on its website; because there's nothing to be apologetic about. That Smollett specifically chose this as a charity to which the fans he blew off could contribute their money says something about his politics - Yeah, give to this charity... that helps only black people overcome illness. You may be too PC to consider this BS, I am not.
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I read your post and I hear a parson so afraid of sounding bigoted they can't stand behind the statement that the evidence doesn't fit the story. Instead concocting a very unique racially motivated attack to explain some of many inconsistencies.
I read it and thought to myself "this is a person who has either watched way, way too much television in their life or is constitutionally incapable of ever saying anything negative about a PoC - or both"

Some people have to provide themselves about 18 feet thick of protective padding before they even delicately tip their toe in the pool of expressing doubt about a PoC.

I was accused earlier in this thread of pretty much having a policy of defaulting to not believing black people. Truth be told, that's fairly accurate and I think it's pretty well justified by reality and it serves me well.

It is obviously susceptible to nuance and specific situational considerations. Under some circumstances, and with certain black people, I would trust their word fairly well - but the circumstances in this case push me far in the other direction.

This case stinks - badly.

I would think this board would have a higher-than-average awareness of how many hate crime hoaxes there are and default to more skepticism of this case - given how absurd it is and how the evidence is already shaping up.
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I don't see why the attackers need to be homeless.

Try this on for size.

Two local yobs decide that they are going to use the almost deserted streets as an opportunity to "get" a random black person, like the good old days.

So they arm themselves with some kind of cleaning product, and a cord, and go out looking for a likely victim. (Someone smaller than themselves, black and ideally distracted.)

The recognise the victim on his way to the Subway, and decide he's the ideal target (black, liberal, gay, smaller than themselves etc.)

They then keep watch and "blindside" the victim, knocking him to the ground when he is on his way back home, before excitedly delivering their messages, (i.e. the cleaning product, the cord, and the babbled slogans).

I would have thought the messages are quite clear:

1. Cleaning product to wash the black off (or the "stank").
2. Cord to remind the person of racial violence in the past.
3. Slogans along the lines of (MAGA country is anywhere that right-thinking Americans are) i.e. don't you dare feel safe.

I'm really disappointed that a number of posters here do not have sufficient empathy to imagine a person's state of mind after being on the receiving end of something like that.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 03:59 PM   #633
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Looks all that happened was that he got in a little tiff with Bow Wow.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 04:21 PM   #634
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That must be why the organisation refers to itself as 'unapologetic' on its website; because there's nothing to be apologetic about.
That's exactly why. As often as society insists that black people apologize simply for being black, the answer is now "No, pound sand." We no longer have to grovel for every white person who walks by simply to avoid torture or death, so we don't.

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That Smollett specifically chose this as a charity to which the fans he blew off could contribute their money says something about his politics - Yeah, give to this charity... that helps only black people overcome illness. You may be too PC to consider this BS, I am not.
Considering that a rather large percentage of Empire fans are black, and the rest probably don't mind a charity for black people (since, you know, they watch Empire), I don't see the issue.

These arguments get so incredibly old:

"Black people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps, the way white immigrants did."

"Well, white immigrants received massive government aid, but fine."

"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"

Don't like having organizations to aid black people only? Then get the government to invest in black communities the same way they've done for white communities. Until then, stop whining.

Or do whine. But we won't change, and it only makes you look like a bigot.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 04:27 PM   #635
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Hmmm.....that throws a monkey wrench into my theory, either the brief "homeless attack" version to which you were responding directly, or the longer, more thought out version. I assumed in that one it was by people familiar with his habits.
Who says they aren't? It's not all that difficult to keep track of famous people's travels, since they tend to have a number of public events wherever they go, cameras tracking them, and so forth.
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Did Ryan Lochte ever come out and admit to highly embellishing his version of the Olympic stickup, or did he just keep quiet til the whole thing cooled down?
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Did Ryan Lochte ever come out and admit to highly embellishing his version of the Olympic stickup, or did he just keep quiet til the whole thing cooled down?
He was charged in Brazil. Admitted that his story was ********. Link in post 302
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
I don't see why the attackers need to be homeless.

Try this on for size.

Two local yobs decide that they are going to use the almost deserted streets as an opportunity to "get" a random black person, like the good old days.

So they arm themselves with some kind of cleaning product, and a cord, and go out looking for a likely victim. (Someone smaller than themselves, black and ideally distracted.)

The recognise the victim on his way to the Subway, and decide he's the ideal target (black, liberal, gay, smaller than themselves etc.)

They then keep watch and "blindside" the victim, knocking him to the ground when he is on his way back home, before excitedly delivering their messages, (i.e. the cleaning product, the cord, and the babbled slogans).

I would have thought the messages are quite clear:

1. Cleaning product to wash the black off (or the "stank").
2. Cord to remind the person of racial violence in the past.
3. Slogans along the lines of (MAGA country is anywhere that right-thinking Americans are) i.e. don't you dare feel safe.

I'm really disappointed that a number of posters here do not have sufficient empathy to imagine a person's state of mind after being on the receiving end of something like that.
except that they don't show up on any of those 35,000 cameras. Not on any. And our victim has only a one minute window in which the event could have happened. That says where and when the Fantasy Perps would have been. Nope. Never happened.
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He was charged in Brazil. Admitted that his story was ********. Link in post 302
Cool. Nice work. Glossed right over that.

That's exactly what this story reminds me of.
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except that they don't show up on any of those 35,000 cameras. Not on any. And our victim has only a one minute window in which the event could have happened. That says where and when the Fantasy Perps would have been. Nope. Never happened.
Except of course for the two people that did appear on the cameras and disappeared just before the attack.
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