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Old 15th June 2019, 09:22 PM   #1
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Overkill - Police pull guns and arrest parents of 4 year old who took a doll

Pretty full on

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...qdshV479-mLqqw
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Old 15th June 2019, 09:26 PM   #2
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I saw the report (but not the NBC News one). The Police spokesman said there's more to the story than just the video, but that info won't be released until properly vetted. Yes, the video looks stunningly awful -- I'm curious as to what they need to hold back for now that might change a perspective.
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Old 15th June 2019, 09:35 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I saw the report (but not the NBC News one). The Police spokesman said there's more to the story than just the video, but that info won't be released until properly vetted. Yes, the video looks stunningly awful -- I'm curious as to what they need to hold back for now that might change a perspective.
Even if it turns out the parents are uber drug lords with 18 warrants on their names she is pushing it to justify that tbf
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Overkill doesn't cut that crap. TG it's on video.

Those cops are totally out of control. Contempt of cop. That should be used as a training video.
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Old 15th June 2019, 09:46 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I saw the report (but not the NBC News one). The Police spokesman said there's more to the story than just the video, but that info won't be released until properly vetted. Yes, the video looks stunningly awful -- I'm curious as to what they need to hold back for now that might change a perspective.
Making up excuses. I don't care what that police spokesperson says, those cops are totally out of control and nothing else explains it.

They might have shot those people for petty shoplifting.
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They they do their training at the MIB academy by the looks of it.
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The "missing details" seem to be in the officer's report which, as should be expected, is a bunch of nonsense:

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ETA: is the "spokesman" in the OP the spokesman for the department, or for the local police union? If it's the latter, I fully expect him to state that the 4-year-old was getting ready to pull a gun and begin firing at the cops: police unions are generally the absolute worst.

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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
The "missing details" seem to be in the officer's report which, as should be expected, is a bunch of nonsense [BS excuses]:

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Making up excuses. I don't care what that police spokesperson says, those cops are totally out of control and nothing else explains it.

They might have shot those people for petty shoplifting.
For suspected petty shoplifting.

Also, how many officers really need to roll on a report of a doll stolen from a dollar store?
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How else do you get the race war started? Good job, coppers. Shooting and lynching season is nearly open; just need to get Trump reelected, finish gutting the FBI and Justice Department, and force all remaining noncompliant SC Justices into retirement. Almost there!!
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
How else do you get the race war started? Good job, coppers. Shooting and lynching season is nearly open; just need to get Trump reelected, finish gutting the FBI and Justice Department, and force all remaining noncompliant SC Justices into retirement. Almost there!!
There seriously needs to be a Trump version of Godwin because FFS

You honestly think these cops weren't doing stuff like this before 2017?

Do you think Trump got in and heaps of cops went

"Hey! Trumps the president. This means he wants us to and we have to turn into complete *********!"

"But we need to stop if he loses next time"
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Old 16th June 2019, 01:33 AM   #12
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There seriously needs to be a Trump version of Godwin because FFS

You honestly think these cops weren't doing stuff like this before 2017?
No; but before 2017 when stuff like this was caught on video the federal government often investigated these incidents as civil rights violations and, where necessary, forced local police departments into agreements where the behavior and training of officers needed to be strictly monitored and tangible proof of change in department culture had to be provided on a set schedule.

The Trump Administration canceled many of these investigations that were still ongoing, and announced that the federal government would no longer enforce existing agreements that had already been made as a result of earlier investigations. I understand why you would be skeptical of yet another seemingly arbitrary Trump-link; but it's true, under this president it's open season like never before for "bad cops" who want to be rough. In an official speech Trump explicitly championed physical mistreatment of suspects, to the applause of attending police officers - comments which were taken seriously enough by the public that police departments across the country were forced into publicly contradicting the president's remarks as damage control.
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No; but before 2017 when stuff like this was caught on video the federal government often investigated these incidents as civil rights violations and, where necessary, forced local police departments into agreements where the behavior and training of officers needed to be strictly monitored and tangible proof of change in department culture had to be provided on a set schedule.

The Trump Administration canceled many of these investigations that were still ongoing, and announced that the federal government would no longer enforce existing agreements that had already been made as a result of earlier investigations. I understand why you would be skeptical of yet another seemingly arbitrary Trump-link; but it's true, under this president it's open season for like never before for "bad cops" who want to be rough. In an official speech Trump explicitly championed physical mistreatment of suspects, to the applause of attending police officers - comments which were taken seriously enough by the public that police departments across the country were forced into publicly contradicting the president's remarks as damage control.

Yes, but, apart from that, what is there to connect any of this to Trump?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
There seriously needs to be a Trump version of Godwin because FFS

You honestly think these cops weren't doing stuff like this before 2017?

Do you think Trump got in and heaps of cops went

"Hey! Trumps the president. This means he wants us to and we have to turn into complete *********!"

"But we need to stop if he loses next time"
What Checkmite said

The removal of the court-enforceable agreements that the Obama administration had used to curtail patterns of police abuse in cities like Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore has meant that rogue police departments will now face no independent oversight when this sort of stuff happens.

These agreements were called "Consent Decrees" - Jeff Sessions wrote a memo to the DoJ telling them to cease the practice

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-re...09621/download

and GOP call themselves the Law and Order party - what a ******* joke!

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Yes, but, apart from that, what is there to connect any of this to Trump?
If they know they wont be checked up on, they will have no fear of consequences, so this incident might not have happened if they knew there might be consequences at the Federal level - and that is Trump's fault.
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If only they had shoplifted a gun, none of this would have happened.

Anyway if it follows that an armed society is a fearful polite society then armed police are polite police, so all this is is Police politely being polite to a gang of black thugs whose ringleader has a loose grip on reality and is no doubt emotionally unstable, as (((four))) year olds tend to do and be.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
What Checkmite said

The removal of the court-enforceable agreements that the Obama administration had used to curtail patterns of police abuse in cities like Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore has meant that rogue police departments will now face no independent oversight when this sort of stuff happens.

These agreements were called "Consent Decrees" - Jeff Sessions wrote a memo to the DoJ telling them to cease the practice

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-re...09621/download

and GOP call themselves the Law and Order party - what a ******* joke!



If they know they wont be checked up on, they will have no fear of consequences, so this incident might not have happened if they knew there might be consequences at the Federal level - and that is Trump's fault.

I think you might want to re-read your own post a couple of times.

And then ask why the actual human being type cops turn into scum in the actual first place.

If you decide they only got to play out their scuminess because Trump did stuff then ask why there are so many scummy cops deciding they can suddenly do it.

Then ask who hired the scummy cops?

Then work out they were hired before the orange idiot got in.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
What Checkmite said

The removal of the court-enforceable agreements that the Obama administration had used to curtail patterns of police abuse in cities like Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore has meant that rogue police departments will now face no independent oversight when this sort of stuff happens.
For reference, although the Dolt 45 DoJ attempted to cancel Baltimore's consent decree, the presiding judge basically just asked why they would even think of doing that after establishing such a clear pattern of civil rights violations, especially when the city itself wanted to move forward. When the DoJ couldn't justify it, the judge tossed the idea out.
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If they know they wont be checked up on, they will have no fear of consequences, so this incident might not have happened if they knew there might be consequences at the Federal level - and that is Trump's fault.

Please recalibrate your irony meter.
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“When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? Like, don’t hit their head, and they just killed somebody — don’t hit their head! I said, you can take the hand away, okay?”

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Ah, but you see, the police had every right to act as they did, and more!

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After officers caught up with Ames and Harper, they discovered Ames was driving on a suspended license and cited him, according to a Phoenix Police Department statement released Friday. The vehicle, a Hyundai SUV, was impounded.
Driving on a suspended license! OMG! That's a gateway to felony crimes! The cops should have shot him for his own good, to protect him from a life of crime!
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I do have to congratulate the originator of this thread for not bothering to add the "while black" qualifier here.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
“When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? Like, don’t hit their head, and they just killed somebody — don’t hit their head! I said, you can take the hand away, okay?”

-Donald Trump
Recall that this is the same goon that pardoned Joe Arpaio and is friendly with David Clarke, but thinks the "Central Park 5" still belong in prison even though they were unquestionably innocent (and one of them wasn't even in the park the night they supposedly gang raped a woman there).

As I said, there's a difference between "Rule of Law", meaning that people should follow the law (put aside issues like Jim Crow for the moment), and "Law and Order" which is a call for the legal system to enforce white supremacy. Dolt 45 called for the latter, not the former. Clarke gets by because he brutally reinforces "Law and Order".
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I saw the report (but not the NBC News one). The Police spokesman said there's more to the story than just the video, but that info won't be released until properly vetted. Yes, the video looks stunningly awful -- I'm curious as to what they need to hold back for now that might change a perspective.
The police feared for their lives. Those are the magical words we're waiting to hear that would make this seem all right and reasonable.
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The police feared for their lives. Those are the magical words we're waiting to hear that would make this seem all right and reasonable.
No need to wait. The police spokesman considered the woman's failure to drop her baby and raise her arms uncooperative, because she might be hiding a gun. You will never outdo their magic.
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No need to wait. The police spokesman considered the woman's failure to drop her baby and raise her arms uncooperative, because she might be hiding a gun.
He was so afraid she might conjure up a gun and shoot him that he had no problem reaching out and grabbing the baby and trying to take it away from her.

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You will never outdo their magic.
Yep. "This is America".
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OKAY EVERYBODY STOP!

Have we established how much sleep all of the cops had gotten yet? Remember if they've been awake for more then 16 hours they are legally untouchable.
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“When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? Like, don’t hit their head, and they just killed somebody — don’t hit their head! I said, you can take the hand away, okay?”

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Ah, but you see, the police had every right to act as they did, and more!



Driving on a suspended license! OMG! That's a gateway to felony crimes! The cops should have shot him for his own good, to protect him from a life of crime!
Not to mention he was driving a... a... a... HYUNDAI. I mean, what the actual ****? That car is KOREAN!!!! How un-American can you get?
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Not to mention he was driving a... a... a... HYUNDAI. I mean, what the actual ****? That car is KOREAN!!!! How un-American can you get?
Better they should be driving a good 'Murican car, like a Ford Fusion, Dodge Ram, or Chevy Silverado!
All made in Mexico.
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Big ups to the Mayor's reaction

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Mayor Gallego Statement on the May 27th Police Incident:

“I, like many others, am sick over what I have seen in the video depicting Phoenix police interacting with a family and young children. It was completely inappropriate and clearly unprofessional. There is no situation in which this behavior is ever close to acceptable. As a mother myself, seeing these children placed in such a terrifying situation is beyond upsetting.
I am deeply sorry for what this family went through, and I apologize to our community. This is not who we are, and I refuse to allow this type of behavior to go unchallenged. I have spoken directly with our Police Chief, City Manager, and our Public Safety Subcommittee Chairman.

First, we are speeding up the implementation of body-worn cameras across our police force. Every single precinct will have body-worn cameras by August.

Second, this Tuesday, June 18, I have called for a community meeting about this incident. I have asked our Police Chief to be present to listen directly to the concerns of our community members. We owe it to our residents to give them an open forum to discuss their concerns with us and to propose solutions.

This conversation will be held at Pilgrim Rest Baptist Church at 6:00 p.m.

I recognize that to get to the bottom of this issue and implement meaningful change, we are going to have some uncomfortable and painful conversations. These conversations must continue until every one of our residents feels safe in our community."
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I do have to congratulate the originator of this thread for not bothering to add the "while black" qualifier here.
Redundant expression.
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Kid literally doing nothing whatsoever, surrounded and packed up by the police.
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Kid literally doing nothing whatsoever, surrounded and packed up by the police.
Land of the free! This runs against the core American values you sold to the world in post WWII popular culture and the speeches of leaders. Against too the enlightenment liberalism the country was founded upon. This is the dying of American democracy. It is not just a deeply entrenched toxic police culture you need to deal with either.
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Have to say

Big ups to the Mayor's reaction

From her Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithKate/
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Major kudos to the woman in the yellow dress.

She zipped right over, a cop shoves her away and does the "respect my authoritah" routine and she's just having none of it.

I'm just amazed there's time and resources available for whole tactical squads with additional officers for perimeter enforcement to come swooping in on random juveniles.
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Honestly, I can't understand how people can place blame of stuff like this on Trump. If your local police department can do something like this with no repercussions, you are to blame. I get tired of people looking to federal when local is where these issues should be solved.

This does not excuse statements or policy that undermine progress on this activity. But if your local politics can't handle a situation like this, well then, your town is garbage, full stop.
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Saw this one earlier. I was waiting to see if they could find the slightest justification, like "He committed those crimes at the park, and here's video from the park showing what he did."

(This isn't the time for NYPD to randomly snatch up a black teen and refuse to let his mother see him, and *then* charge him with a crime in a park, without strong evidence, what with When They See Us having just premiered on Netflix)
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Originally Posted by rdwight View Post
Honestly, I can't understand how people can place blame of stuff like this on Trump. If your local police department can do something like this with no repercussions, you are to blame. I get tired of people looking to federal when local is where these issues should be solved.

This does not excuse statements or policy that undermine progress on this activity. But if your local politics can't handle a situation like this, well then, your town is garbage, full stop.
I'm not directly blaming Trump for these incidents, but he is certainly culpable for allowing this culture to continue to exist.

Not only does he personally, actively encourage and endorse this type of behaviour, he removes the measures that were being used to address it.

US President Harry S. Truman had a sign in his desk that said "The Buck Stops Here". POTUS is ultimately responsible for what happens in the country he leads.




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