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Old 8th August 2017, 02:39 PM   #41
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Along these lines, have any prominent Democrats ever actually had a sit-down with Trump either one-on-one or in a small group and talked health care or any other major legislative issues with the man? My expectations are low, but I'd be curious as to the what might happen.
Good question, and I'm sure I don't know. But my expectations are not as low. He is a last 10 second guy. Give him the idea, and he'll tweet about it.

Remember how much he complained that the democrats have been opposed. Here you go, tell him something you'll support. He'll fall for it.
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Old 8th August 2017, 02:51 PM   #42
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Mr. Trump, you are right. We can't just stand here and let ObamaCare fail while you put together so many promising proposals during your campaign. We took your lead and now offer you legislation that does everything you promised in your campaign.

No, sir, we hadn't considered that, but now that you mention it, sure. We'll throw in a wall.
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Remember, he is only a republican by convenience. He doesn't care about the legislative politics. He just wants something to make himself look good.
But he's also petty and spiteful. He would happily sink all that just to get back at someone who once said something mean about him. He certainly has a ****list of Democrats who he thinks wronged him somehow, and probably would make them publicly kiss his ass as a prerequisite to working* with him. Look at how all his opponents in the GOP primary turned out.

*Being privileged to be thrown under the bus at the first opportunity.
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Old 9th August 2017, 09:20 AM   #44
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The sanctions bill ins't a Trump accomplishment. It is a huge embarrassment to him that lessened his power.
Random thought: is it possible that a continued Trump presidency could lead to further reduction of his power until the office of POTUS becomes largely ceremonial? Or is it too well entrenched in the constitution?
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If it is a big one, I am sure he will eat it. Or push it up and in!!!!
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Old 9th August 2017, 11:16 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Random thought: is it possible that a continued Trump presidency could lead to further reduction of his power until the office of POTUS becomes largely ceremonial? Or is it too well entrenched in the constitution?
I don't know about "largely ceremonial," but the powers delegated to the Presidency could stand to be dialed back a bit. The last few decades have seen the Prez shoulder a little too much permanent power to work around temporarily intransigent congresses.

Possibly the best outcome of the current North Korea thing would be if there's a short period of brinksmanship that ultimately leads nowhere but scares enough people to remove the President's power to unilaterally order a nuclear engagement.
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Not everyone knows it. More than 80% or Republicans and nearly 40% of Americans thinks he's doing a fine job. Many have called him the greatest, or one of the greatest presidents ever.

I find it surprising that people honestly think that Hillary would have made a worse president. Even if you're absolutely dead-set against the majority of her policies, I don't think she would have brought anything like the same degree of chaos to the White House, the reputation of the U.S. would not be damaged to the same degree and she wouldn't have had the same utter disdain for the office of President.
The requisite embiggening, emboldening and enreddening by me, fuelair, is to emphasize those numbers remarkably well match the population of the basket of deplorables Hillary pointed out!!!!!
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I don't know about "largely ceremonial," but the powers delegated to the Presidency could stand to be dialed back a bit. The last few decades have seen the Prez shoulder a little too much permanent power to work around temporarily intransigent congresses.
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Old 9th August 2017, 11:22 AM   #49
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Not everyone knows it. More than 80% or Republicans and nearly 40% of Americans thinks he's doing a fine job. Many have called him the greatest, or one of the greatest presidents ever.

I find it surprising that people honestly think that Hillary would have made a worse president. Even if you're absolutely dead-set against the majority of her policies, I don't think she would have brought anything like the same degree of chaos to the White House, the reputation of the U.S. would not be damaged to the same degree and she wouldn't have had the same utter disdain for the office of President.
I am also pretty sure those who claim to like how it is doing it's job are lying through their teeth as they can only be lying or rabid idiots if they truly believe their claims. They are trying to make themselves look less stupid as that is really all they know they can hope for.
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Old 9th August 2017, 11:24 AM   #50
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I want to believe that the highlighted is true.
It's all temporary. At some point the Sun will explode.
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Random thought: is it possible that a continued Trump presidency could lead to further reduction of his power until the office of POTUS becomes largely ceremonial? Or is it too well entrenched in the constitution?
As long as has a veto, a Presiddent, even if he cannot get his legislation though, has a lot of muscle.
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As long as has a veto, a Presiddent, even if he cannot get his legislation though, has a lot of muscle.
Not convinced he really understands how the veto works. He claimed the Russian sanctions were unconstitutional and yet he still signed the bill.
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If it is a big one, I am sure he will eat it. Or push it up and in!!!!
Nobody eats Pickle Rick. Or, as the Russians know him, Solenya.
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Not convinced he really understands how the veto works. He claimed the Russian sanctions were unconstitutional and yet he still signed the bill.
Actually, that showed he does know how vetos work: That particular bill was bipartisan, a veto would have been easily overturned. Trump actually knew that a veto would have pointless, so he spared himself the embarrassment of getting overturned.
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Actually, that showed he does know how vetos work: That particular bill was bipartisan, a veto would have been easily overturned. Trump actually knew that a veto would have pointless, so he spared himself the embarrassment of getting overturned.
My theory is that since the bill did have enough to overturn a veto, he thought he wasn't allowed to veto it.
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No, he won't. You can't lobby for votes in Congress while at the same time you're being a monkey *********** a football. Congressmen don't give votes to monkeys *********** footballs.
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Not everyone knows it. More than 80% or Republicans and nearly 40% of Americans thinks he's doing a fine job. Many have called him the greatest, or one of the greatest presidents ever.

I find it surprising that people honestly think that Hillary would have made a worse president. Even if you're absolutely dead-set against the majority of her policies, I don't think she would have brought anything like the same degree of chaos to the White House, the reputation of the U.S. would not be damaged to the same degree and she wouldn't have had the same utter disdain for the office of President.

I don't think she could possibly be any worse than Trump.
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Trump's biggest accomplishments so far:
The ACA is still the law of the land.
Taxes on the rich have not been reduced.
Multiple states still have legal marijuana.
Gay marriage is still legal nationwide.
Hillary Clinton is not in jail.
There is no wall on the Mexican border.
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Trump's biggest accomplishments so far:
The ACA is still the law of the land.
Taxes on the rich have not been reduced.
Multiple states still have legal marijuana.
Gay marriage is still legal nationwide.
Hillary Clinton is not in jail.
There is no wall on the Mexican border.
And everybody was so freaked out when he got elected. Turns out the presidency isn't all that.

Can you imagine Hillary's embarrassment upon learning that, contrary to the hype of the Bush-Obama era, the President is not actually a god-king?

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Can you imagine Hillary's embarrassment upon learning that, contrary to the hype of the Bush-Obama era, the President is not actually a god-king?

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Hillary, having been First Lady, a senator, Secretary of State, having a brain in her head and showing some willingness to learn and having remembered something of her school civics lessons would not have been embarrassed about her knowledge of the role and powers of the President because she would have had accurate in-depth knowledge.

President Trump OTOH has demonstrated no knowledge of the role and powers of the President and shows little or no knowledge of the role of government at all. Furthermore he doesn't seem to have the will or capacity to learn any of it preferring to spend his time grandstanding and whining via Twitter.....Sad
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I am also pretty sure those who claim to like how it is doing it's job are lying through their teeth as they can only be lying or rabid idiots if they truly believe their claims. They are trying to make themselves look less stupid as that is really all they know they can hope for.
Perhaps, then again some people have a fundamentally different set of priorities and values and judge the Presidents' performance via a completely different set of criteria.

For example there are probably a lot of people out there who think that because the President is black or because the President is a woman or because the President belongs to the other party then by definition they are a terrible (or great) President.

As President Trump's boost in the polls over the next week or so will show, there are a lot of people who consider posturing and rhetoric to be a sign of strength and they would rather have a "strong" President who gets little or nothing done than a "weak" President who quietly goes about the business of passing legislation to the benefit of the vast majority of the American people.

There are a lot of single issue voters out there who don't really care what happens to the national economy, the United States' global reputation, healthcare or a vast number of other things so long as the President makes the right noises regarding their preferred policy on abortion or the 10 commandments or LGBT issues.
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And everybody was so freaked out when he got elected. Turns out the presidency isn't all that.
On the pluss side he really has emboldened local Nazi's so they are easier to recognize.
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The requisite embiggening, emboldening and enreddening by me, fuelair, is to emphasize those numbers remarkably well match the population of the basket of deplorables Hillary pointed out!!!!!
Well as his core demographic is white supremacists of course they think he's doing a great job. As long as they know he has their back they'll continue to support him, wouldn't be surprised to see Trumps numbers spike after his performance this weekend...
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
And everybody was so freaked out when he got elected. Turns out the presidency isn't all that.

Can you imagine Hillary's embarrassment upon learning that, contrary to the hype of the Bush-Obama era, the President is not actually a god-king?

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Right. Trump is harmless, it turns out. What possible danger could he do to the nation or world?

And, anyway, twitter wars with North Korea are a hoot to watch.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
And everybody was so freaked out when he got elected. Turns out the presidency isn't all that.

Can you imagine Hillary's embarrassment upon learning that, contrary to the hype of the Bush-Obama era, the President is not actually a god-king?

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Oh I'm sorry, you invoked Hilary in a discussion about Trump, that is the Godwin of Trump threads. How about we stay focused on reality and take the alt-history to an appropriate site?
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Oh I'm sorry, you invoked Hilary in a discussion about Trump, that is the Godwin of Trump threads. How about we stay focused on reality and take the alt-history to an appropriate site?
Trumpwin's Law: as any discussion of Trump progresses, the probability that one of his supporters invokes Hilary Clinton approaches 1.
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On the pluss side he really has emboldened local Nazi's so they are easier to recognize.


They should be mandated by statue to wear a certain patch - say, a swastika - on their chest.
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They should be mandated by statue to wear a certain patch - say, a swastika - on their chest.
But they don't want to be identified. See this white nationalist who does not want people to think he is a racist.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/educat...lly/563064001/
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But they don't want to be identified. See this white nationalist who does not want people to think he is a racist.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/educat...lly/563064001/
But ... but patching up unwanted elements of society is time-honoured nazi practice!
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Trump sux. Everybody knows that, son. He will never rise above the level of the worst POTUS, unless Hillary Clinton challenges him again.

Find a new hobby, for Christ sake!
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Not everyone knows it. More than 80% or Republicans and nearly 40% of Americans thinks he's doing a fine job. Many have called him the greatest, or one of the greatest presidents ever.

I find it surprising that people honestly think that Hillary would have made a worse president. Even if you're absolutely dead-set against the majority of her policies, I don't think she would have brought anything like the same degree of chaos to the White House, the reputation of the U.S. would not be damaged to the same degree and she wouldn't have had the same utter disdain for the office of President.
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Trumpwin's Law: as any discussion of Trump progresses, the probability that one of his supporters invokes Hilary Clinton approaches 1.
I didn't know y'all were Trump supporters? Here's your armband
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I didn't know y'all were Trump supporters? Here's your armband
Well tbh I was one of the few on this board who were genuinely pointing out that Trump had a good chance of being elected (as opposed to just saying it to wind people up).
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Trump sux. Everybody knows that, son. He will never rise above the level of the worst POTUS, unless Hillary Clinton challenges him again.

Find a new hobby, for Christ sake!
Most Republicans like him. Because most Republicans are idiots and/or complete scum.
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You jest, but I have to say, I think the Democrats should approach him with a single-payer option, pointing out that it WILL cover everyone and do it cheaper. And it is pretty easy. And remind him that this is what he promised in the beginning.

We'll happily replace the ACA. Here's the democratic plan for doing it. And, indeed, if that happens, I'll happily call it TrumpCare.

I actually think he'd be stupid enough to do it. And you know what? If he would, I'd be all supportive.

Remember, he is only a republican by convenience. He doesn't care about the legislative politics. He just wants something to make himself look good.
Trump could probably be convinced to go along with that.

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell? No way.
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Trump could probably be convinced to go along with that.

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell? No way.
Yeah, the problem is that rule about having to have the support of more than half of the ruling party.

Although it would be awesome to have Trump ripping on republicans
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Yeah, the problem is that rule about having to have the support of more than half of the ruling party.

Although it would be awesome to have Trump ripping on republicans
It isn't really a rule, just something Republican speakers do unless there is no choice.
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