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Old 8th August 2017, 10:51 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Or China.

I think North Korea was going to reignite the war just as soon as they had a nuke to do it with. I doubt there's been a president in US history who could have stopped them. MacArthur, maybe.
China might want to leak nuclear technology to NK to avoid war, believing that the rule still holds that Nuclear Powers don't go to war with each other.
Russia might leak nuke tech to cause war, thinking that the US isn't rational anymore.
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Old 8th August 2017, 11:01 PM   #122
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I just hope Trump vetted that language with his generals. Fire and fury like the world has never seen. Even in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Doesn't this sound like he wants a nuclear strike on N. Korea? I hope he had expert advisers who said that this statement was the best way to get NK to back down. Because if Kim calls the bluff, ouch. This is worse than the "red line" remark about Syria. I hope it's hyperbole. Maybe directed at China, in reality. I just don't know.

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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Or China.

I think North Korea was going to reignite the war just as soon as they had a nuke to do it with. I doubt there's been a president in US history who could have stopped them. MacArthur, maybe.
Only if Trump keeps acting like a complete git
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Originally Posted by TraneWreck View Post
Usually our side isn't lobbing threats back.
This!

The first rule of being in the Nuclear Club is you don't talk about being in the Nuclear Club. We're supposed to be the adults here.
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Old 9th August 2017, 02:42 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
If the Post report is true, they are very close to having the capability to do some real damage -if they aren't there already. Continuing to ignore their bluster only emboldens them to continue on their course.
Since the truce how often have they initiated armed attacks against any other country?
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Old 9th August 2017, 02:45 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
China might want to leak nuclear technology to NK to avoid war, believing that the rule still holds that Nuclear Powers don't go to war with each other.
Russia might leak nuke tech to cause war, thinking that the US isn't rational anymore.
Totally disagree. China outside its "historic" territorial claims isn't interested in internal affairs of any country - as long as it gets the business it wants. It's interest in NK is from not wanting to have to deal with the collapse of a country it shares a border with.

It is not in China's interest to have a nuclear capable country on its borders.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Since the truce how often have they initiated armed attacks against any other country?
Are you considering South Korea another country?
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Old 9th August 2017, 03:25 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Totally disagree. China outside its "historic" territorial claims isn't interested in internal affairs of any country - as long as it gets the business it wants. It's interest in NK is from not wanting to have to deal with the collapse of a country it shares a border with.

It is not in China's interest to have a nuclear capable country on its borders.
totally agree.
it was theprestige who brought up the possibility of China supplying NK with nuke know-how.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Since the truce how often have they initiated armed attacks against any other country?
I'm not sure of the numbers but it happens rather often. One side shoots at the other side's propaganda loud speakers. There have been a few times where disputed islands get shelled and the south returns fire. Patrol boats have chance encounters and exchange rounds. According to a friend who was stationed there, in winter when the ground freezes mines sometimes detonate and you have shooting at no one and nothing in particular assuming the explosion was fired from the other side.
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Old 9th August 2017, 05:26 AM   #131
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I just hope Trump vetted that language with his generals. Fire and fury like the world has never seen. Even in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Doesn't this sound like he wants a nuclear strike on N. Korea? I hope he had expert advisers who said that this statement was the best way to get NK to back down. Because if Kim calls the bluff, ouch. This is worse than the "red line" remark about Syria. I hope it's hyperbole. Maybe directed at China, in reality. I just don't know.

Are you being sarcastic, or have you not been watching the news for the past 8 months? Trump made this statement during a photo op at his golf course, so I doubt that even he knew what he was going to say before he opened his mouth. He knows more than his generals. Why would they need to approve his comments?
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Old 9th August 2017, 05:35 AM   #132
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And he's bragging about our nuclear arsenal on twitter.
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Old 9th August 2017, 05:49 AM   #133
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Well, according to Robert Jeffress, one of Trump's evangelical advisors (?), Trump has moral authority to take out Kim Jong Un, according to the goat herders guidebook bible:
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/0...-adviser-says/
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When it comes to how we should deal with evil doers, the Bible, in the book of Romans, is very clear: God has endowed rulers full power to use whatever means necessary – including war – to stop evil . . . In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim.
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Over the past two years, Trump has been very measured, very thoughtful in every response.
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Old 9th August 2017, 06:03 AM   #134
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
And he's bragging about our nuclear arsenal on twitter.
This tweet is interesting:

Originally Posted by 45
My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before.
I though he put Rick Perry in charge of the nuclear arsenal, someone who had no idea that his remit included the nuclear arsenal
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I wonder how much information China gets on the discussions of Kim Jong Un's inner circle? I can't help but believe that China always has a contingency plan in place to try and install their own puppet if necessary. I would speculate China might try this before letting North Korea start a war with the US and wind up with a western friendly country on their border (or nuclear wasteland). However, it is also questionable that even China would have enough information to react quickly enough if Kim Jong Un were to do something particularly stupid.
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Old 9th August 2017, 06:10 AM   #136
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Or China.

I think North Korea was going to reignite the war just as soon as they had a nuke to do it with. I doubt there's been a president in US history who could have stopped them. MacArthur, maybe.
I agree with this but I don't like his "fire and fury like the world has never seen if it continues threats" statement at all.
It sets up a red line scenario.

A "little Kim better watch his back statement" I would have liked.

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This tweet is interesting:



I though he put Rick Perry in charge of the nuclear arsenal, someone who had no idea that his remit included the nuclear arsenal
That is a straight-out lie: the modernization started under Obama quite a while ago.
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Are you being sarcastic, or have you not been watching the news for the past 8 months? Trump made this statement during a photo op at his golf course, so I doubt that even he knew what he was going to say before he opened his mouth. He knows more than his generals. Why would they need to approve his comments?
I think he had just finished watching Game of Thrones and the fire breathing dragon in battle.
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He'll gold-plate it first.
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This tweet is interesting:



I though he put Rick Perry in charge of the nuclear arsenal, someone who had no idea that his remit included the nuclear arsenal
He also tried to fire the general directly in charge of it at the DoE. But this is Trump he has no idea who actually makes or controls the nuclear arsenal.
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That is a straight-out lie: the modernization started under Obama quite a while ago.
It may be, but Trump lying is hardly news is it ?
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I agree with this but I don't like his "fire and fury like the world has never seen if it continues threats" statement at all.
It sets up a red line scenario.
I agree completely. Trump is full of bluff and bluster and no substance. It really limits US options and in the end could make Trump look weak if North Korea can call the bluff (without starting a war). If they start a war, we have a humanitarian and possibly world wide disaster on our hands.
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has anyone asked South Korea what they want?
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This tweet is interesting:



I though he put Rick Perry in charge of the nuclear arsenal, someone who had no idea that his remit included the nuclear arsenal
It would take much longer than seven months to complete that order. Why the easily disproven lie? Why must he persist?
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That is a straight-out lie: the modernization started under Obama quite a while ago.
It's also projected to take 30 years to complete the upgrade.
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Why the easily disproven lie? Why must he persist?
This.
The only possible explanation is that he really thinks everyone but him is stupid.
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has anyone asked South Korea what they want?


They aren't the US, so their opinions don't matter.
Yesterday on Sean Hannity's radio show, he and his guest (Pat Buchanan, maybe?), were talking about how the only logical and effective way to deal with North Korea was to allow South Korea and Japan to develop and deploy their own nuclear weapons. The discussion didn't include whether they actually want nuclear weapons.
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It would take much longer than seven months to complete that order. Why the easily disproven lie? Why must he persist?
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Talking about Nuclear War on the Anniversary of the Nagasaki bombing !
Dropping Nukes could become a tradition!
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Talking about Nuclear War on the Anniversary of the Nagasaki bombing !
Dropping Nukes could become a tradition!
Every 72 years, six cycles of the chinese astrological calendar. I'm sure it has some cosmic significance.
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You'd think that the Chinese would be tired of the lunacy in NK and would support a coup and send along a couple million advisors to facilitate things after Kim ends up on the wrong end of an anti-aircraft gun.
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You'd think that the Chinese would be tired of the lunacy in NK and would support a coup and send along a couple million advisors to facilitate things after Kim ends up on the wrong end of an anti-aircraft gun.
I thought that Kim's half brother Nam was China's backup plan in case they had to get rid of Un.
No wonder he was murdered by NK agents...
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China might want to leak nuclear technology to NK to avoid war, believing that the rule still holds that Nuclear Powers don't go to war with each other.
Russia might leak nuke tech to cause war, thinking that the US isn't rational anymore.
It could have been North Korea on their own with help from leaks/espionage. That's how China did it under Mao. We seem to have an inherent bias against believing that people that aren't as developed as us could do things like this. It's a blindness caused by arrogance.
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It could have been North Korea on their own with help from leaks/espionage. That's how China did it under Mao. We seem to have an inherent bias against believing that people that aren't as developed as us could do things like this. It's a blindness caused by arrogance.
Not so much the doing as being able to acquire the things necessary.
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Every 72 years, six cycles of the chinese astrological calendar. I'm sure it has some cosmic significance.
Except, I suppose, that they use a lunar calendar historically, so the August 9 coincidence doesn't work out so well, I'm guessing.

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Except, I suppose, that they use a lunar calendar historically, so the August 9 coincidence doesn't work out so well, I'm guessing.
Stop messing up my crazy theories with your facts!!!
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Are you being sarcastic, or have you not been watching the news for the past 8 months?
Kelly hasn't been the chief of staff for 8 months.

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Trump made this statement during a photo op at his golf course, so I doubt that even he knew what he was going to say before he opened his mouth. He knows more than his generals. Why would they need to approve his comments?
I thought maybe Kelly could have out-alphaed Trump so bad the Donald would be peeing down his pants leg. This nitwit makes me wonder if a military coup would be such a bad thing.

I'm not being in the least sarcastic. I was being genuinely hopeful. It seems to me our only move at the moment is to pretend NK has backed down, because otherwise Trump has issued the mother of all empty threats. If NK really does back down, the threat has been effective. Hence my hope that the U.S. had some intel that this kind of rhetoric would work with Kim, or that it would alarm China enough rein Kim in. Not that China necessarily takes Trump seriously, but maybe it should in the wanton destructiveness department. Or else Trump's threat wasn't empty and he plans to target N. Korea with more than the 2 puny nukes that took out 2 Japanese cities. In which case reigniting the Korean War would actually be the very least of our worries.
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I agree with this but I don't like his "fire and fury like the world has never seen if it continues threats" statement at all.
It sets up a red line scenario.

A "little Kim better watch his back statement" I would have liked.
I think he got a phrase stuck in his head and blurted it out. From his comments before the opioid briefing:

..snip to paragraph 2:

"Nobody is safe from this epidemic that threatens young and old, rich and poor, urban and rural communities. Everybody is threatened. Drug overdose is now the leading cause of accidental death in the United States, and opioid overdose deaths have nearly quadrupled since 1999. It is a problem the likes of which we have not seen. "

..snip to paragraph 4:

"...Especially in some parts of our country, it is horrible what's going on with opioid and other drugs. But the opioid is something that nobody has seen anything like it. "

...snip to paragraph 8:

"And we're speaking to other countries and we're getting cooperation, but we're being very, very strong on our southern border and, I would say, the likes of which this country certainly has never seen that kind of strength."

Immediately after this is when he made his comment in response to a question about North Korea. So probably no thought at all.
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You'd think that the Chinese would be tired of the lunacy in NK and would support a coup and send along a couple million advisors to facilitate things after Kim ends up on the wrong end of an anti-aircraft gun.
Shot from a cannon would be good. I would certainly watch the movie!!!
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