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Old 7th August 2017, 02:19 AM   #1
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Is Trump ever going to have a major legislative accomplishment?

He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

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Old 7th August 2017, 02:31 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

Sad!
Turn it around, if a capable republican had been president it might have been worse as to major legislative accomplishments.
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Old 7th August 2017, 02:41 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Tommy Jeppesen View Post
Turn it around, if a capable republican had been president it might have been worse as to major legislative accomplishments.
Trump's extreme incompetence is his best feature.

At least until there is a real crisis.
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He has had Russian sanctions tightened, as well as the Kremlin hold on his nuts.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
He has had Russian sanctions tightened, as well as the Kremlin hold on his nuts.
The sanctions bill ins't a Trump accomplishment. It is a huge embarrassment to him that lessened his power.
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Trump's extreme incompetence is his best feature.

At least until there is a real crisis.
Yes, I hope we are all lucky, though I think that the odds are against us.
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The sanctions bill ins't a Trump accomplishment. It is a huge embarrassment to him that lessened his power.
Well, it is a major legislative accomplishment and it wouldn't have happen if it wasn't for him, so in a sense it is his major legislative accomplishment.
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Old 7th August 2017, 03:11 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
The sanctions bill ins't a Trump accomplishment. It is a huge embarrassment to him that lessened his power.
We need a proper "sarcasm" smilie.
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Old 7th August 2017, 03:12 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Tommy Jeppesen View Post
Well, it is a major legislative accomplishment and it wouldn't have happen if it wasn't for him, so in a sense it is his major legislative accomplishment.
lol

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We need a proper "sarcasm" smilie.
lol, I guess so.
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Since he got Gorsuch onto the Supreme Court, you could argue that whatever ruling depends on his vote can be attributed (at least partially) to Trump.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Since he got Gorsuch onto the Supreme Court, you could argue that whatever ruling depends on his vote can be attributed (at least partially) to Trump.
I guess, though any Republican would have nominated someone like Gorsuch. Really, it is Mitch McConnell the Republicans have to thank for him. For refusing to even hold hearings for Garland and for nuking the filibuster to get Gorsuch confirmed.
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Yes, if Clinton had been elected the Republican Senate would have spent the next n years (until the next GOP President) saying, "Eight Supreme Court Justices is just fine." Slimy Ted Cruz had already started floating this prior to the election.
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Now that I think about it, Gorsuch isn't a legislative accomplishment. Trump didn't sign a law to get him on the Supreme Court.
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

Sad!
I would say 'no!'.

After all, for 45 to have major legislative success then that would require 45 to work with both Republicans and Democrats as well as actually develop some understanding for just how the Congress works.

And since 45 has been a terrible failure at such things, and since it does not look like 45 will ever be able to do such things, then I doubt that 45 will ever be able produce a major legislative accomplishment.

Hopefully, 45 will be so stupid that he will not be able to screw things up too terribly much before he gets the boot.
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I would say 'no!'.

After all, for 45 to have major legislative success then that would require 45 to work with both Republicans and Democrats as well as actually develop some understanding for just how the Congress works.

And since 45 has been a terrible failure at such things, and since it does not look like 45 will ever be able to do such things, then I doubt that 45 will ever be able produce a major legislative accomplishment.

Hopefully, 45 will be so stupid that he will not be able to screw things up too terribly much before he gets the boot.
Well he can get tax cuts for the rich without any Democratic votes, assuming he doesn't lose more than two Republicans in the Senate. It is certainly possibly.
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He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

Sad!
Shouldn't you be looking at the legislature for legislation?

I think at least half of the problem of the Trump presidency is purely in the heads of people having a mythological understanding of what the president is.

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Old 7th August 2017, 05:31 AM   #17
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Shouldn't you be looking at the legislature for legislation?

I think at least half of the problem of the Trump presidency is purely in the heads of people having a mythological understanding of what the president is.

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The president usually leads major legislation. Especially when his party controls both houses of Congress. Republicans in Congress have actually said they are disappointed at Trump's lack of leadership. Though I can't say that I am unhappy that Trump is so incompetent that he can't do that properly.
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Didn't he already declare a "National Pickle Week"?
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Well he can get tax cuts for the rich without any Democratic votes, assuming he doesn't lose more than two Republicans in the Senate. It is certainly possibly.
True. It is a possibility, but now it is a decidedly lesser one.

The original plan was to gut health care for lots of poor people in order to pay for the tax cuts for the few rich people. But now that health care issue has been scuttled, then hopefully providing tax cuts for the few rich people will get scuttled as well.
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He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

Sad!
Y'know, tax cuts are not bad, in and of themselves.

My concern is much less that Toupee Fiasco might pass this or that law. That can be repaired. I'm far more concerned with the damage he is doing to our government, in general. When you compare it to a more parliamentary system, our (the US) style of government is weak against authoritarian dictators. And this is the direction we are heading towards - The current president is a product of this, rather than a cause.

As I said, anything short of a nuclear war, I'll personally be okay. That doesn't mean that I want an autocrat surrounded by white nationalists in the White House. A guy like Pence will pass horrible laws, sure. I'd still rather have him in office than Cheeto Benito.
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Y'know, tax cuts are not bad, in and of themselves.

My concern is much less that Toupee Fiasco might pass this or that law. That can be repaired. I'm far more concerned with the damage he is doing to our government, in general. When you compare it to a more parliamentary system, our (the US) style of government is weak against authoritarian dictators. And this is the direction we are heading towards - The current president is a product of this, rather than a cause.

As I said, anything short of a nuclear war, I'll personally be okay. That doesn't mean that I want an autocrat surrounded by white nationalists in the White House. A guy like Pence will pass horrible laws, sure. I'd still rather have him in office than Cheeto Benito.
I would say our system is strong against authoritarian dictators. Or at least wannabe ones as incompetent and disliked as the orange turd. He may be functionally a lame duck six months in and his party controls Congress.

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Shouldn't you be looking at the legislature for legislation?

I think at least half of the problem of the Trump presidency is purely in the heads of people having a mythological understanding of what the president is.

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The myth where the president doesn't act like a petulant middle schooler?

Or the myth where the president doesn't use the office to funnel money to companies he owns?

The president since at least 1900 has had a legislative agenda with the executive using the state of the union speech to propose legislation. Of course, the president cannot directly propose a bill in congress.
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The myth where the president doesn't act like a petulant middle schooler?

Or the myth where the president doesn't use the office to funnel money to companies he owns?

The president since at least 1900 has had a legislative agenda with the executive using the state of the union speech to propose legislation. Of course, the president cannot directly propose a bill in congress.
But you forget how much the republicans hate commies like Teddy.
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Other than some sort of tax cuts, I'm guessing not anything too major. Maybe some sort of immigration changes. I tend to think of the Republicans in Congress as pretty useless at anything other than obstruction. Makes them much more effective in opposition than they are in power. Given their dysfunction, I'm not really sure how different things would be with a better Republican president.
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Other than some sort of tax cuts, I'm guessing not anything too major. Maybe some sort of immigration changes. I tend to think of the Republicans in Congress as pretty useless at anything other than obstruction. Makes them much more effective in opposition than they are in power. Given their dysfunction, I'm not really sure how different things would be with a better Republican president.
The tax cuts won't be his. At this point the Republicans in Congress have no reason to seek Trump's input or support. In fact, Trump's support might just be counter-productive to anything they want to do.
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He did get major bipartisan support for russian sanctions, that kind of broad bipartisanship is probably only something Trump could have gotten.

He is a real Uniter instead of a divider in getting people to line up against him.
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The tax cuts won't be his. At this point the Republicans in Congress have no reason to seek Trump's input or support. In fact, Trump's support might just be counter-productive to anything they want to do.
So? Most of his buildings aren't his either, if they put his name on it he will be pleased and almost as happy as sitting in a truck.
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So? Most of his buildings aren't his either, if they put his name on it he will be pleased and almost as happy as sitting in a truck.
This is true. The Democrats should try with a single-payer option to replace ObamaCare and call it TrumpSuperGreatCare. He would probably support it based on the name alone.
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This is true. The Democrats should try with a single-payer option to replace ObamaCare and call it TrumpSuperGreatCare. He would probably support it based on the name alone.
If that happens, then I'll have to rethink my assessment in the other thread about diagnosing him with NPD . . .
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He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

Sad!
these morons will be pointing to Gorsuch as his signature "accomplishment" for the next 50 years.
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these morons will be pointing to Gorsuch as his signature "accomplishment" for the next 50 years.
I will not be annoyed at all if all his office appointments have medical emergencies and expire with rapidity!!!
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He might get some temporary tax cuts for the rich, but I think that will be about all.

Sad!
Trump sux. Everybody knows that, son. He will never rise above the level of the worst POTUS, unless Hillary Clinton challenges him again.

Find a new hobby, for Christ sake!
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Trump sux. Everybody knows that, son. He will never rise above the level of the worst POTUS, unless Hillary Clinton challenges him again.

Find a new hobby, for Christ sake!
Not everyone knows it. More than 80% or Republicans and nearly 40% of Americans thinks he's doing a fine job. Many have called him the greatest, or one of the greatest presidents ever.

I find it surprising that people honestly think that Hillary would have made a worse president. Even if you're absolutely dead-set against the majority of her policies, I don't think she would have brought anything like the same degree of chaos to the White House, the reputation of the U.S. would not be damaged to the same degree and she wouldn't have had the same utter disdain for the office of President.
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Since Trump has no clue about the legislature, any accomplishments would be accidental.
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Trump sux. Everybody knows that, son. He will never rise above the level of the worst POTUS, unless Hillary Clinton challenges him again.

Find a new hobby, for Christ sake!
Hilary Clinton's political career as an candidate is over.
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Is Trump ever going to have a major legislative accomplishment?
He doesn't need one. He's got a pen and a phone.
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Didn't he already declare a "National Pickle Week"?
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This is true. The Democrats should try with a single-payer option to replace ObamaCare and call it TrumpSuperGreatCare. He would probably support it based on the name alone.
You jest, but I have to say, I think the Democrats should approach him with a single-payer option, pointing out that it WILL cover everyone and do it cheaper. And it is pretty easy. And remind him that this is what he promised in the beginning.

We'll happily replace the ACA. Here's the democratic plan for doing it. And, indeed, if that happens, I'll happily call it TrumpCare.

I actually think he'd be stupid enough to do it. And you know what? If he would, I'd be all supportive.

Remember, he is only a republican by convenience. He doesn't care about the legislative politics. He just wants something to make himself look good.
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You jest, but I have to say, I think the Democrats should approach him with a single-payer option, pointing out that it WILL cover everyone and do it cheaper. And it is pretty easy. And remind him that this is what he promised in the beginning.

We'll happily replace the ACA. Here's the democratic plan for doing it. And, indeed, if that happens, I'll happily call it TrumpCare.

I actually think he'd be stupid enough to do it. And you know what? If he would, I'd be all supportive.

Remember, he is only a republican by convenience. He doesn't care about the legislative politics. He just wants something to make himself look good.
Along these lines, have any prominent Democrats ever actually had a sit-down with Trump either one-on-one or in a small group and talked health care or any other major legislative issues with the man? My expectations are low, but I'd be curious as to the what might happen.
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