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19th November 2015, 12:46 AM | #1 |
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Michael Persingers Excess Correlation Project
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I found this. It is some kind of new work of Persinger. From what I read they claim something like telepathy in it with a lot of Quantum Mysticism. Here is the site: http://excesscorrelation.net/ They claim this:
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I would like to know what you people think about it if you have the time. Thanks for reading this and I wish you a nice day. |
19th November 2015, 12:55 AM | #2 |
Now. Do it now.
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Why, Lukas? Just why. You know it's bollocks without us having to tell you.
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19th November 2015, 01:54 AM | #3 |
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This is a university research group, not some random internet woo slinger, I don't think they can just be dismissed out of hand.
Here's the abstract of their latest paper from the linked site.
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19th November 2015, 09:50 AM | #4 |
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I don't know what to think about Dr. Persinger's results and conclusions. They seem unlikely, but skepticism doesn't demand likely results, only results that are well-evidenced and replicable.
Persinger appears to have done everything that science demands when it comes to reporting his findings, including providing exact specifications for his apparatus. We'll have to see if his results can be replicated. I can think of four ways his results might be erroneous. One, the entire experiment or the reported results might be deliberately falsified in some way. Two, the results might lack meaningful statistical significance. He might be measuring too many parameters with too few subjects and selectively reporting those results that are significant at p<.05 by chance. Three, sensory leakage might be causing the correlations observed. Might the two paired apparatus powered by the same electrical grid be inducing correlated noise for both subjects? That seems unlikely especially when the subjects are continents apart (and/or when the laptops are running on battery power), but given that his alternate explanation for the correlations is induced quantum entanglement (by means of a simple oscillating magnetic field) that disregards spacetime separation, intense scrutiny is warranted. Fourth, insufficient controls. The experimental procedure itself might be generating false correlations. To illustrate using a deliberately exaggerated example: "We demonstrate excessive correlations in subjects remote from one another who are both in an induced entangled state. We induce the entanglement by giving both subjects identical patterns of electrical shocks. The entanglement is demonstrated by the correlation of certain measurements; for instance, both subjects exhibit simultaneously elevated levels of discomfort and anger." Actual false correlations could be far more subtle than that, so careful controls are needed, including checking for the same types of correlations in the absence of the magnetic fields. |
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19th November 2015, 11:32 PM | #5 |
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Originally Posted by MikeG
I however think that it will end up like the God Helmet where some people report something others do not. Even Persinger himself admits that his experiment has different results every time someone uses it:
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This goes hand in hand with the god helmet:
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There at best we will have again something akin to the god helmet but it will not be replicated and it will change from user to user. |
20th November 2015, 01:07 AM | #6 |
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Saroka also wrote with Persinger this paper:
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20th November 2015, 05:53 AM | #7 |
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Persinger does a lot of work on the effects of magnetic fields on the brain. Some of it reads as providing neuropsychological explanations for what might otherwise be interpreted as paranormal phenomena. However, he uses magnetic fields that are, in the opinions of critics, too weak to produce the effects claimed. The underlying idea is some strange quantum theory of consciousness along the lines of Penrose. Although he seems to avoid using terms that directly imply endorsement of paranormal claims like telepathy, the theory tends to be exploited to support such claims.
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20th November 2015, 02:29 PM | #8 |
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My money is on some combination of 4 and 2. To find out how much I am wagering and at what odds you have to read my mind.
ETA: I kinda don't understand the general difference between the third and fourth option by the way. Both seem to be about producing a correlation through other means than the property you were trying to test. |
21st November 2015, 05:25 AM | #9 |
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Looked at the journal which report this. Its a quite a strange journal and they seem to be very much in pair with Persinger because the same journal has produced results that Persinger's god helmet was replicated. The journal in question is this, Journal of Consciousness Exploration & Research:
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The same journal as mentioned has successfully replicated the God Helmet experiment by Persinger:
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The same can be found also here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_he...inoca_Oritz-13 Here is the journal site you can judge by yourself but the more I read about it the more skeptical I am: http://jcer.com/ |
22nd November 2015, 04:20 PM | #10 |
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That would be somewhat surprising if true. I don't have any particular opinion and I'm unlikely to form one in the near future, as even after reading all 740 pages I'd be none the wiser.
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22nd November 2015, 08:40 PM | #11 |
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This is from the Journal of Consciousness Exploration & Research website, jcer.com:
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I don't know what some of these titles mean, despite knowing what (most of) the individual words mean. |
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22nd November 2015, 11:45 PM | #12 |
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Example of the strange in the journal:
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Here is also a interesting part in the paper:
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