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Old 10th September 2020, 10:21 PM   #241
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Madsen's Russian wife criticizes the journalist and Danish media on Facebook: Peter Madsens hustru i angreb på journalisten bag tilståelsesdokumentar (BT, Sep. 9, 2020)
Her Facebook post is in English.
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Old 25th September 2020, 04:21 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Nu kommer TV-serien om mordet på Kim Wall – men en af sagens centrale personer er slet ikke med (Berlingske, Oct. 7, 2019)
‘Now the TV series about the murder of Kim Wall will be produced – but one of the central characters of the case does not appear in it at all.’

The series focuses on the investigation of the crime. That Peter Madsen does not appear in the series, i.e. that no actor playing Peter Madsen appears, is in accordance with the wishes of Kim Wall's parents.

Earlier this year, an inmate, apparently another psychopath, attempted to stab Peter Madsen but failed:
Retssag om overfald på Peter Madsen udsat: Tvivl om straf til 28-årig (Ekstra Bladet, Sep. 2, 2019)

The TV series Efterforskningen (trailer in Danish), in English The Investigation, premieres next week, Sep. 28, 2020.
Teaser from Swedish TV svt.se.

I assume that it will soon be possible to stream a version with English subtitles.

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Old 26th September 2020, 02:04 AM   #243
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Seeking the Humanity in the Story of Kim Wall’s Murder (NYT, Sep. 25, 2020)
Tobias Lindholm on his take of the Kim Wall murder investigation (NordiskFilmOgTVFond, Sep, 24, 2020)
The Investigation: new trailer released (TheKillingTimesTV, Sep. 19, 2020)
BBC acquires highly anticipated crime series The Investigation (BBC, Oct. 10, 2019)
Fremantle takes The Investigation to BBC and RTL (Fremantle, Oct. 9, 2019)
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Old 16th October 2020, 11:07 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Netflix won't be showing Into the Deep:
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Variety Magazine called it "riveting," as well as "restrained, humanist and chilling". It is, the magazine wrote, both “a rare opportunity to study a murderer before his first kill", and "a story of the workers left ashore floundering to understand how they devoted their lives to a fiend”.

But after several of the key participants in the film withdrew their consent, Netflix has decided not to stream the documentary, Sweden's state broadcaster SVT reported on Tuesday evening.
Netflix pulls plans to stream controversial Peter Madsen doc (The Local.dk, April 22, 2020)

It will be streamed on Netflix, after all.
Kontroversiel Peter Madsen-film klippes om (EKKO, Oct. 16, 2020)
Controversial Peter Madsen documentary is being recut

Notice that this is not the TV series The Investigation (IMDb), which started airing recently.
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Old 20th October 2020, 03:04 AM   #245
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I had promised myself I wouldn't revisit this thread, but eh...

Anyway, Peter Madsen attempted a jailbreak today. Details are currently very sketchy, but both EOD (bomb disposal) and sharpshooters are present at the scene.
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Old 20th October 2020, 03:50 AM   #246
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Breaking news (Aftonbladet.se)
Already apprehended again (DR.dk)
Arrested after attempting escape (TV2.dk)

He was wearing a bomb vest or belt like a suicide terrorist. Probably fake, I assume, but the news is still breaking.

In English:
Police surround Danish inventor who killed journalist (SkyNews)
Submarine killer Peter Madsen reportedly escapes from prison with bomb threat (NYPost)
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Old 20th October 2020, 04:10 AM   #247
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Eye witness reports on video (TV2.dk)
People saw armed police stop a white van and pull out two people, one of them Madsen, so apparently somebody must have helped smuggle* him out of prison.
The same eye witness to the arrest (DR.dk)

One article claims that he got out by threatening prison guards with what appeared to be a gun: Peter Madsen i flugtaktion (EkstraBladet)

*Or he took a prison employee hostage (BT)
The hostage was a female psychologist, according to Ekstra Bladet.

Press briefing at 15:00/3 p.m. CEST
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"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

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Old 20th October 2020, 08:40 AM   #248
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It appears to have been an extremely short break out - 5-6 minutes:

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- Klokken 10.21 får vi en anmeldelse om, at han er flygtet. Vi sender alt mandskab på gaden, og 10.26 lykkedes det en af vores patrulje at anholde ham, forklarede han.
Peter Madsen truede sig ud med falsk bombebælte (DR.dk, Oct. 20, 2020)
- At 10:21 we receive a report that he has escaped. We activate all personnel, and at 10:26 one of our patrols manage to arrest him, he explained
Peter Madsen threatened his way out, using a fake bomb belt

The van he got into wasn't a get-away vehicle. Somebody just happened to be parked there, and that person was still in the van when he entered it. The police pulled Madsen out the van before it could leave.
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"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx
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Old 20th October 2020, 03:57 PM   #249
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It seems very liberal that this could happen. Impossible in most English speaking countries.
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Old 20th October 2020, 03:59 PM   #250
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I guess Netflix dug deep and eased the sensitivities of the reluctant with cold cash.
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Old 21st October 2020, 12:44 AM   #251
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He took a psychotherapist hostage. The bomb was a fake.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-jail-escaped
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Old 21st October 2020, 07:56 AM   #252
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It took only 11 minutes from the moment he threatened the psychologist till he was arrested in the van. And his breakout led to six new charges.
10:15: He threatens her with a fake gun and a fake bomb belt to let him out of the building and accompany him to the gate.
10:20: He threatens the prison guard to let him out of the gate and escapes on foot.
10:21: The prison reports the breakout to the police. They send all cars to the location.
10:25: He points the 'gun' at two prison guards chasing him.
10:25: He gets into a van and threatens the driver to drive off. The driver is a foreigner who doesn't understand Danish.
10:26: The police pull him out of the car and place him on the ground while awaiting the arrival of dogs trained to recognize explosives.
Peter Madsen fængslet efter grundlovsforhør: 11 dramatiske minutter udløste 6 sigtelser (DR.dk, Oct. 21, 2020)

I assume he will be moved to a more secure prison. And he is bound to lose his workshop privileges where he made small model submarines and rockets - and probably the fake gun and bomb belt. According to a friend of his, access to the workshop was the only thing that made his life worth living, so he will now have all the time in the world to regret the murder of Kim Wall.
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Old 21st October 2020, 08:48 AM   #253
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Peter Madsens mentalerklæring: Så farlig er han (BT, Oct. 20, 2020)
Peter Madsen's : This is how dangerous he is

The article contains quotations from the forensic psychiatric assessment of him, which was used in court. I don't have the time to translate it all, but here is a slightly improved Google translation:

From the prosecutor's conclusion:
Quote:
There is no doubt that he is dangerous. He presents an imminent and significant danger to the lives and well-being of other people.
(...)
This sinister and macabre murder case is quite unique. We are dealing with a cynical, calculating and deliberating sex killer that leaves no room for doubt. Life imprisonment is the most appropriate punishment, and if it that is not an option, it should be forvaring*.
*Forvaring is a concept in Scandinavian juris prudence usually reserved for criminals who are considered to be particularly dangerous. Unlike an ordinary life sentence, it may mean that the prisoner actually stays behind bars for the rest of his life, i.e. for as long as he (or she) is considered a danger to other people's lives or well-being.


Based on the assessment by a psychologist and two forensic psychiatrists:
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He sat quietly in the chair and showed a tendency to try to hold the psychologist's gaze. Several times during the investigation, he praised the psychologist, which the psychologist interpreted as "a fairly obvious attempt to create an alliance".
(...)
“He is trying to control the conversation, which is about himself and his exploits. He considers himself to be an intellectual, but his actual skill of reflection is extremely limited. He gives the impression of being honest, but appears to be self-staging and unreliable about information about himself and he is trying hard to appear to be harmless."
As a part of the examination, Peter Madsen was tested to have an IQ of 111.

Not exactly the Hannibal-Lecter-evil-genius Ievel of IQ. It probably reflects that he is more or less self-taught without much formal education.
"Considers himself to be an intellectual" reminds me of Adrian Mole.
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Old 5th January 2021, 03:25 AM   #254
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The series about the investigation of the case will be streamed in North America:

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HBO has acquired North American TV and streaming rights to a Scandinavian limited series about an infamous murder case.

The Investigation, set to premiere Feb. 1 on HBO and HBO Max, tracks the events surrounding the 2017 murder of Swedish journalist Kim Wall.
HBO Snags Limited Series Based on Danish Submarine Murder (HollywoodReporter, Jan . 4, 2020)
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"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx
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Old 28th January 2021, 08:55 PM   #255
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It's available in the UK on the BBC Iplayer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...iesId=p09343x5
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Old 15th February 2021, 04:26 AM   #256
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Watched it last week.

Really great series, though it actaully doesn't go into much detail about the incident itself - it's very much focused on the people (Police and the Wall family) and the process, in particular the search for Kim Wall's remains by the diving teams.

How close to reality it is - I have no idea - but it's a lovely bit of TV (in my opinion of course)
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I admired the way it never showed Madsen or even mentioned his name. He was just 'the suspect' or 'the accused'.
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