[Merged] Missing children, fugitive parents, and drive-by shootings/Lori Vallow in court. - Page 21

gerdbonk · 22nd August 2020, 03:30 PM

Isn't it August? Why are they still here?

Mike! · 23rd August 2020, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by gerdbonk

Isn't it August? Why are they still here?

A minor math problem, Chad forgot to carry the two.

StillSleepy · 23rd August 2020, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by gerdbonk

Isn't it August? Why are they still here?

Social distancing.

Checkmite · 23rd August 2020, 08:08 PM

Apocalypses, like most events involving large crowds, have been postponed due to coronavirus.

Mike! · 7th September 2020, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by StillSleepy

Chad Daybell pleaded not guilty during his arraignment on Friday. [East Idaho News]

He is charged with two felony counts of conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence, and two felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence for a combined maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and $40K in fines.

His jury trial is scheduled for 11-29 January 2021, with a pre-trial conference scheduled for 10 December. He is currently to be tried in Fremont County; his attorney, John Prior, has 60 days to request a change of venue.

Lori Daybell's arraignment is currently scheduled for 10 September.

Just a few days away, is this still on the schedule?

StillSleepy · 7th September 2020, 12:16 PM

Lori is still scheduled to be arraigned on 10 September, however a few things have happened in the meantime, but no dates had been given as to when they would be resolved.

First, John Prior, Chad's attorney, filed a motion for the case to be dropped on 27 August.

Then Special Prosecutor Rob Wood filed a motion on 1 September to combine the cases of Chad and Lori, since they were accused of committing directly related crimes.

Finally, Prior filed a motion on 4 September for a change of venue in the trial for Chad. East Idaho News indicated that multiple people had reported some polling going on in the area regarding the case.

StillSleepy · 18th September 2020, 10:40 AM

Brief update:

Lori pled not guilty at her hearing on 10 September.

On behalf of Chad, Prior objected to the combining of the cases, however Lori's attorney, Mark Means, has stated he has no objection.

Means has also filed a motion for a change of venue for Lori on 17 September. [East Idaho News]

A hearing for Chad regarding dismissal of charges and combining of cases is scheduled for 29 October.

Currently, pending results of the above hearing, Chad's trial is scheduled for 11 January to 29 January. He is expected to appear at a pre-trial conference on 10 December.

Lori's trial is scheduled for 22 March to 2 April. She is expected to appear at a pre-trial conference on 25 February.

gerdbonk · 18th September 2020, 04:33 PM

Did these cultheads plan this out so well they're not going to get charged with murder?

StillSleepy · 18th September 2020, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by gerdbonk

Did these cultheads plan this out so well they're not going to get charged with murder?

It's unlikely to be any design of theirs if they aren't.

The evidence surrounding the kids' deaths is probably too circumstantial, especially since one of the conspirators (Alex) is dead and is the only one known (to the best of my knowledge) to have been violent in the past. By making them run the gauntlet on the evidence charges, Chad and Lori will likely be forced to create narratives to account for how the bodies got in Chad's yard, all the while working backwards towards the kids' deaths. I don't think they necessarily would have to account for the deaths, but they may not be able to help themselves. That said, there's likely no chance they won't be asked why they felt the need to bury the kids in the backyard...

Lerxst · 21st September 2020, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by StillSleepy

It's unlikely to be any design of theirs if they aren't.

The evidence surrounding the kids' deaths is probably too circumstantial, especially since one of the conspirators (Alex) is dead and is the only one known (to the best of my knowledge) to have been violent in the past. By making them run the gauntlet on the evidence charges, Chad and Lori will likely be forced to create narratives to account for how the bodies got in Chad's yard, all the while working backwards towards the kids' deaths. I don't think they necessarily would have to account for the deaths, but they may not be able to help themselves. That said, there's likely no chance they won't be asked why they felt the need to bury the kids in the backyard...

To be fair though we don't know the entirety of the evidence against them. There are also still pending cases against each of them for the death of their former spouses. We don't know if any additional charges are forthcoming or not.

abaddon · 21st September 2020, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lerxst

To be fair though we don't know the entirety of the evidence against them. There are also still pending cases against each of them for the death of their former spouses. We don't know if any additional charges are forthcoming or not.

You are right. But we have a ton of probable cause and two child corpses.

Seems to me that further investigation and evidence gathering might vaguely be justified, no?

wasapi · 21st September 2020, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

You are right. But we have a ton of probable cause and two child corpses.

Seems to me that further investigation and evidence gathering might vaguely be justified, no?

Certainly. This case is so convoluted, involving quite a few characters, I would believe they are no where near finishing up the investigation.

Resume · 21st September 2020, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by wasapi

Certainly. This case is so convoluted, involving quite a few characters, I would believe they are no where near finishing up the investigation.

If you look into it, nearly the whole Lori side of the family stinks to high heaven. Some of them know more than they're admitting and I'm sure the authorities are trying to crack one of them. Multiple murders, crazy cultism weaved into crazy mormon doctrine, mixed with what seems to be a whole bunch of narcissists. This case is gonna be one hell of a Netflix original.

abaddon · 22nd September 2020, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by wasapi

Certainly. This case is so convoluted, involving quite a few characters, I would believe they are no where near finishing up the investigation.

I believe you are correct. Having followed this from the outset, I would struggle to relate any sort of coherent narrative to the whole sorry tale.

The only certainty is that two kids are dead under very odd circumstances and several adults are also dead under questionable circumstances. Unpicking that mess would be challenging.

Alas, it seems that no certainty will appear until April, and perhaps not even then, depending on what happens in court.

One thing that puzzles me is that Lori was expecting to be raptured in July. At some point, surely it must occur to her that this failed to happen. Is she doing a Harold Camping job on it? Is she filled with horror and remorse? What?

I just don't know.

Interestingly, I actually discussed the case with my own two kids (not dissimilar in ages) and they were scratching their heads to try and make any sense of it. Plenty of speculation, of course, but a notable absence of any rational narrative to account for any of it.

They did add something that I had not considered. They asked me "Do you really think that we would have gone to our deaths without question? Do you think WE would have fallen for this BS?"

I had to answer "Of course not."

And they said "Then there must have been some coercion/compulsion/violence involved."

Now, I found that a rather compelling view. My kids are rather unexpected sometimes.

Agatha · 2nd October 2020, 02:19 AM

Now that there are trials pending, I'm going to move this thread to Trials & Errors.

Posted By:Agatha

Mike! · 2nd October 2020, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Agatha

Now that there are trials pending, I'm going to move this thread to Trials & Errors.

Posted By:Agatha

A wise move. While there are still a few mysteries left in this story, the primary question has been answered, we know where the children are now.

StillSleepy · 25th October 2020, 10:27 AM

The hearing to dismiss charges for Chad has been postponed from 29 October to 9 AM local on 24 November. The hearing to merge the trials of Chad and Lori is still scheduled for 10 AM local on 29 October.

Resume · 1st November 2020, 09:40 AM

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Interesting audio where Lori Vallow talks about possibly murdering Charles Vallow. Starts about 4 minutes in. Also, lots of crazy Mormon crunchiness too.

Resume · 1st November 2020, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by StillSleepy

The hearing to dismiss charges for Chad has been postponed from 29 October to 9 AM local on 24 November. The hearing to merge the trials of Chad and Lori is still scheduled for 10 AM local on 29 October.

Trials have been merged.

Quote:

ST. ANTHONY — The jury trials for Chad and Lori Daybell will be combined following a ruling by District Judge Steven Boyce Thursday morning.

During the hearing, Chad Daybell, alongside his attorney, John Prior, appeared over Zoom alongside the judge and Special Prosecutor Rob Wood.

StillSleepy · 19th November 2020, 11:33 AM

The hearings for Chad getting his charges dismissed and the combined trial being moved out of Fremont County have been scheduled for 6 January 2021.

The date for the combined trial has been set for 12 July 2021. [East Idaho News]

wasapi · 13th January 2021, 03:34 PM

https://people.com/crime/prosecutors...id=48682034642

The murderers will be facing more charges.

Just some evidence discussed, like the little boy's red pajamas and signs that he had been bound. Bound by monsters, while wearing his red jammies. It breaks this mothers heart.

Resume · 13th January 2021, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by wasapi

https://people.com/crime/prosecutors...id=48682034642

The murderers will be facing more charges.

Just some evidence discussed, like the little boy's red pajamas and signs that he had been bound. Bound by monsters, while wearing his red jammies. It breaks this mothers heart.

New charges will be nice to see.

Mike! · 14th February 2021, 03:40 PM

On Valentines Day, in honor of Lori and Chad's tragic love story, I thought I'd point out, there is now a detailed Wikipedia page on the murder of the children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths...d_J._J._Vallow

22nd August 2020, 03:30 PM	#801
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23rd August 2020, 03:57 PM	#802
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 40,257	Originally Posted by gerdbonk Isn't it August? Why are they still here? A minor math problem, Chad forgot to carry the two.
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23rd August 2020, 07:32 PM	#803
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	Originally Posted by gerdbonk Isn't it August? Why are they still here? Social distancing.
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23rd August 2020, 08:08 PM	#804
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7th September 2020, 11:27 AM	#805
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 40,257	Originally Posted by StillSleepy Chad Daybell pleaded not guilty during his arraignment on Friday. [East Idaho News] He is charged with two felony counts of conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence, and two felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence for a combined maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and $40K in fines. His jury trial is scheduled for 11-29 January 2021, with a pre-trial conference scheduled for 10 December. He is currently to be tried in Fremont County; his attorney, John Prior, has 60 days to request a change of venue. Lori Daybell's arraignment is currently scheduled for 10 September. Just a few days away, is this still on the schedule?
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7th September 2020, 12:16 PM	#806
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	Lori is still scheduled to be arraigned on 10 September, however a few things have happened in the meantime, but no dates had been given as to when they would be resolved. First, John Prior, Chad's attorney, filed a motion for the case to be dropped on 27 August. Then Special Prosecutor Rob Wood filed a motion on 1 September to combine the cases of Chad and Lori, since they were accused of committing directly related crimes. Finally, Prior filed a motion on 4 September for a change of venue in the trial for Chad. East Idaho News indicated that multiple people had reported some polling going on in the area regarding the case.
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18th September 2020, 10:40 AM	#807
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	Brief update: Lori pled not guilty at her hearing on 10 September. On behalf of Chad, Prior objected to the combining of the cases, however Lori's attorney, Mark Means, has stated he has no objection. Means has also filed a motion for a change of venue for Lori on 17 September. [East Idaho News] A hearing for Chad regarding dismissal of charges and combining of cases is scheduled for 29 October. Currently, pending results of the above hearing, Chad's trial is scheduled for 11 January to 29 January. He is expected to appear at a pre-trial conference on 10 December. Lori's trial is scheduled for 22 March to 2 April. She is expected to appear at a pre-trial conference on 25 February.
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18th September 2020, 04:33 PM	#808
gerdbonk Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula Posts: 21,435	Did these cultheads plan this out so well they're not going to get charged with murder?
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18th September 2020, 05:50 PM	#809
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	Originally Posted by gerdbonk Did these cultheads plan this out so well they're not going to get charged with murder? It's unlikely to be any design of theirs if they aren't. The evidence surrounding the kids' deaths is probably too circumstantial, especially since one of the conspirators (Alex) is dead and is the only one known (to the best of my knowledge) to have been violent in the past. By making them run the gauntlet on the evidence charges, Chad and Lori will likely be forced to create narratives to account for how the bodies got in Chad's yard, all the while working backwards towards the kids' deaths. I don't think they necessarily would have to account for the deaths, but they may not be able to help themselves. That said, there's likely no chance they won't be asked why they felt the need to bury the kids in the backyard...
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21st September 2020, 01:56 PM	#810
Lerxst Muse Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Big D Posts: 685	Originally Posted by StillSleepy It's unlikely to be any design of theirs if they aren't. The evidence surrounding the kids' deaths is probably too circumstantial, especially since one of the conspirators (Alex) is dead and is the only one known (to the best of my knowledge) to have been violent in the past. By making them run the gauntlet on the evidence charges, Chad and Lori will likely be forced to create narratives to account for how the bodies got in Chad's yard, all the while working backwards towards the kids' deaths. I don't think they necessarily would have to account for the deaths, but they may not be able to help themselves. That said, there's likely no chance they won't be asked why they felt the need to bury the kids in the backyard... To be fair though we don't know the entirety of the evidence against them. There are also still pending cases against each of them for the death of their former spouses. We don't know if any additional charges are forthcoming or not.

21st September 2020, 02:16 PM	#811
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,302	Originally Posted by Lerxst To be fair though we don't know the entirety of the evidence against them. There are also still pending cases against each of them for the death of their former spouses. We don't know if any additional charges are forthcoming or not. You are right. But we have a ton of probable cause and two child corpses. Seems to me that further investigation and evidence gathering might vaguely be justified, no?
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21st September 2020, 02:57 PM	#812
wasapi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,206	Originally Posted by abaddon You are right. But we have a ton of probable cause and two child corpses. Seems to me that further investigation and evidence gathering might vaguely be justified, no? Certainly. This case is so convoluted, involving quite a few characters, I would believe they are no where near finishing up the investigation.
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21st September 2020, 05:42 PM	#813
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,844	Originally Posted by wasapi Certainly. This case is so convoluted, involving quite a few characters, I would believe they are no where near finishing up the investigation. If you look into it, nearly the whole Lori side of the family stinks to high heaven. Some of them know more than they're admitting and I'm sure the authorities are trying to crack one of them. Multiple murders, crazy cultism weaved into crazy mormon doctrine, mixed with what seems to be a whole bunch of narcissists. This case is gonna be one hell of a Netflix original.

22nd September 2020, 04:07 AM	#814
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,302	Originally Posted by wasapi Certainly. This case is so convoluted, involving quite a few characters, I would believe they are no where near finishing up the investigation. I believe you are correct. Having followed this from the outset, I would struggle to relate any sort of coherent narrative to the whole sorry tale. The only certainty is that two kids are dead under very odd circumstances and several adults are also dead under questionable circumstances. Unpicking that mess would be challenging. Alas, it seems that no certainty will appear until April, and perhaps not even then, depending on what happens in court. One thing that puzzles me is that Lori was expecting to be raptured in July. At some point, surely it must occur to her that this failed to happen. Is she doing a Harold Camping job on it? Is she filled with horror and remorse? What? I just don't know. Interestingly, I actually discussed the case with my own two kids (not dissimilar in ages) and they were scratching their heads to try and make any sense of it. Plenty of speculation, of course, but a notable absence of any rational narrative to account for any of it. They did add something that I had not considered. They asked me "Do you really think that we would have gone to our deaths without question? Do you think WE would have fallen for this BS?" I had to answer "Of course not." And they said "Then there must have been some coercion/compulsion/violence involved." Now, I found that a rather compelling view. My kids are rather unexpected sometimes.
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25th October 2020, 10:27 AM	#817
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	The hearing to dismiss charges for Chad has been postponed from 29 October to 9 AM local on 24 November. The hearing to merge the trials of Chad and Lori is still scheduled for 10 AM local on 29 October.
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1st November 2020, 09:45 AM	#819
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,844	Originally Posted by StillSleepy The hearing to dismiss charges for Chad has been postponed from 29 October to 9 AM local on 24 November. The hearing to merge the trials of Chad and Lori is still scheduled for 10 AM local on 29 October. Trials have been merged. Quote: ST. ANTHONY — The jury trials for Chad and Lori Daybell will be combined following a ruling by District Judge Steven Boyce Thursday morning. During the hearing, Chad Daybell, alongside his attorney, John Prior, appeared over Zoom alongside the judge and Special Prosecutor Rob Wood.

19th November 2020, 11:33 AM	#820
StillSleepy Muse Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Where the wild goose goes Posts: 611	The hearings for Chad getting his charges dismissed and the combined trial being moved out of Fremont County have been scheduled for 6 January 2021. The date for the combined trial has been set for 12 July 2021. [East Idaho News]
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13th January 2021, 03:34 PM	#821
wasapi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,206	Lori Vallow in court. https://people.com/crime/prosecutors...id=48682034642 The murderers will be facing more charges. Just some evidence discussed, like the little boy's red pajamas and signs that he had been bound. Bound by monsters, while wearing his red jammies. It breaks this mothers heart.
	__________________ Julia

13th January 2021, 04:56 PM	#822
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 18,844	Originally Posted by wasapi https://people.com/crime/prosecutors...id=48682034642 The murderers will be facing more charges. Just some evidence discussed, like the little boy's red pajamas and signs that he had been bound. Bound by monsters, while wearing his red jammies. It breaks this mothers heart. New charges will be nice to see.

14th February 2021, 03:40 PM	#823
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 40,257	On Valentines Day, in honor of Lori and Chad's tragic love story, I thought I'd point out, there is now a detailed Wikipedia page on the murder of the children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths...d_J._J._Vallow
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