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17th January 2021, 12:33 AM
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No, but Swedish authorities recently decided that the more than 10,000 Covid-19 deaths were probably only less than 7,000 corresponding to excess mortality and in line with the idea that the difference of more than 3,000 deaths would then consist of people who would died from something else anyway. |
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17th January 2021, 12:36 AM
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Denmark’s numbers today are based on 28 hours (yesterday 15 hours)
Saturday: Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 16, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Denmark: 301 (1,747) 879* 137 *based on 96,091 tests (0.9%) + 180 positives out of 28.915 quicktests (0.62%). 162,328 vaccinated (2.78% of pop.). Finland: 111 (618) 190 28 Norway: 95 (517) 243 37 Iceland: 85 (29) 8 0 Iceland has 160 active cases, Faroe Islands 18, New Zealand 82 The Faroe Islands have 66 in quarantine, 1 hospitalized. |
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17th January 2021, 04:39 AM
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17th January 2021, 07:22 AM
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In a Tweet, somebody just pointed out that you are more likely to die in a car accident if you are obese, so maybe we should replace the preposition: They die with car accidents!
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17th January 2021, 08:59 AM
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17th January 2021, 09:06 AM
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dann, can you tell us something about how the vaccinations proceed in Sweden? Are they on track?
I have noticed that in most countries people complain about vaccination proceedings. In Austria vaccinations have stalled because somebody had forgot to order enough needles! |
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17th January 2021, 10:12 AM
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Meanwhile, because Ivor Patreon Account Cummins has irked me, I've now downloaded *Norway's* weekly death statistics from https://www.ssb.no/en/statbank/list/dode/
This is what other countries should have been aiming for - especially Sweden, with similar advantages of small households and relative wealth.  or cumulative numbers for 2015-2020 
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17th January 2021, 10:25 AM
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There are problems with delayed reporting in this area, too. The number 80,000 vaccinations was mentioned a few days ago: Statistik över vaccinerade mot covid-19 (Folkhälsomyndigheten) Not much in comparison to Denmark's 167,011 vaccinations (2.86% of pop.), but Denmark appears to be #1 in the class of EU countries. It is impossible to know how Sweden is actually doing when their reporting is such a mess: - Vi har exakt samma vaccin och volymer i relation till befolkningen. Får vi bara fram vår rapportering kommer vi kunna se att Sverige ligger i topp bland de 10-15 första, säger vaccinsamordnaren Richard Bergström. - We have the exact same vaccine and volumes in proportion to the population. If only we can get our reporting going, we will be able to see that Sweden is among the 10 to 15 best, says vaccine coordinator Richard Bergström. For the past couple of weeks, I have been more active in the thread of the Swedish skeptics: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade? The experience has been much the same as here: The pseudo skeptics have more or less vacated the premises. The first page was all about how Sweden's pandemic response was evidence-based unlike all other countries, in particular Denmark. More and more Swedes are realizing that Sweden's pandemic strategy may have been exceptional, but not the way they thought. It has been a rude awakening, and many of them are experiencing a cognitive dissonance at the level of U.S. Republicans right now. There is a TV program tonight at 8 p.m. on Swedish TV: Agenda. PM Löfven, Minister of Social Affairs Hallengren and state epidemiologist Tegnell will be there. Vetenskapsforum Covid-19 wrote this:
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17th January 2021, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by steenkh
Some countries have had the opposite experience of excess deaths because their coronavirus restrictions also limited the spread of the ordinary flu and other infectious diseases. That might have been the case in Denmark, too, if we had tackled the second wave as soon as it raised its ugly head instead of waiting a couple of weeks. At least, things are starting to look good again, and I don't see any signs of intentions to relax the restrictions for now. |
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17th January 2021, 10:42 AM
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You do know that it has been established as canonical science that Sweden should never be compared with any other country than Belgium, don't you?! 
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18th January 2021, 12:36 AM
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 17, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Denmark: 306 (1,775) 889* 131 *based on 103,825 tests (0.86%) + 149 positives out of 20.594 quicktests (0.72%). 167,011 vaccinated (2.86% of pop.). Finland: 111 (618) 236 28 Norway: 95 (517) 206 38 The Faroe Islands have 30 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized. Seven active Covid cases remainin in the Faroe Islands (KVF.fo, Jan. 17, 2021) |
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18th January 2021, 03:00 AM
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Are these active cases in New Zealand all incoming travellers in quarantine?
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18th January 2021, 03:33 AM
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The numbers are high and they will drop fast because pre flight testing is now mandatory for US and UK and being rolled out for all countries in the next week or so. |
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18th January 2021, 04:31 AM
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18th January 2021, 09:18 AM
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18th January 2021, 12:02 PM
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18th January 2021, 01:00 PM
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19th January 2021, 12:08 AM
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 18, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Denmark: 311 (1,805) 807* 132 *based on 85,460 tests (0.94%) (B.117 8% of all positive tests) + 142 positives out of 20.679 quicktests (0.69%). 170,012 vaccinated (2.91% of pop.). Finland: 111 (618) 168 28 Norway: 96 (521) 383 35 Iceland: 85 (29) 14 0 Infected man forced into isolation Iceland has 143 active cases, Faroe Islands 6, New Zealand 85 The Faroe Islands have 26 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized. Brazilian Covid mutation registered in the Faroes (KVF.fo, Jan. 18, 2021) |
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19th January 2021, 05:00 AM
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What can you be fined for and for how much under Sweden's pandemic law (TheLocal.se, Jan. 19, 2021)
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The number of new registered cases on Tuesdays in Sweden (no numbers Saturday, Sunday, Monday) according to SVT.se:
Tuesday, Sep. 15: 840 Tuesday, Sep. 22: 1,199 Tuesday, Sep. 29: 1,543 Tuesday, Oct. 6: 1,862 Tuesday, Oct. 13: 2,203 Tuesday, Oct. 20: 3,180 Tuesday, Oct. 27: 5,191 Tuesday, Nov. 3: 10,177 Tuesday, Nov. 10: 15,779 - deaths 35 Tuesday, Nov. 17: 15,084 - deaths 61 Tuesday, Nov. 24: 17,265 - deaths 94 Tuesday, Dec. 1: 17,629 - deaths 117 Tuesday, Dec. 8: 18,820 - deaths 133 Tuesday, Dec. 15: 20,931 - deaths 153 Tuesday, Dec. 22: 22,319 - deaths 174 - - - - - Tuesday, Dec. 29: 32,485 - deaths 205 NB. These numbers are since Wednesday 23, not Friday 25!!! Tuesday, Jan. 5: 32,369 - deaths 258 NB. These numbers are since Wednesday Dec. 30, not Jan. 1. - - - - - Tuesday, Jan. 12: 17,395 - deaths 234 Tuesday, Jan. 19: 9,770 - deaths 268 It s probably too early for the new restrictions to have impacted the pandemic in Sweden, so the lowered number of new cases may be due to the Xmas holidays. ETA:
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19th January 2021, 08:16 AM
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Denmark - lowest number of new cases since October:
724 er bekræftet smittet med coronavirus (EB.dk, Jan. 19, 2021) 724 confirmed new coronavirus infections But: Rekordmange smittede plejehjemsbeboere døde i sidste uge A record number of infected nursing-home residents died last week (EB.dk, Jan. 19, 2021) They should all have been vaccinated more than a week ago, but very few have received the second vaccination yet. |
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 19, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Sweden: 1,045 (10,591) 9,770* 346 *Since Friday, according to SVT.se. 147,000 vaccinated. Denmark: 317 (1,837) 724* 132 *based on 83,705 tests (0.9%), B.117 8% of positive tests + 155 positives of 23.025 quicktests (0.67%). 177,161 vaccinated (3.0% of pop.). R0 0.6 (B.117 0.82) Finland: 112 (621) 217 27 Norway: 96 (525) 242 32 Iceland: 85 (29) 0 0 Iceland has 127 active cases, Faroe Islands 5, New Zealand 76 The Faroe Islands have 18 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized. Revised vitamin D guidelines (KVF.fo, Jan. 19, 2021) |
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I thought that they had finally started wearing face masks on public transport in rush-hour traffic, but that is still not the case:
Packade bussar i morgonrusningen – men få använder munskydd (SVT.se, Jan. 20, 2021) Crowded busses during morning rush hour – but few passengers are wearing face masks And it is still only a recommendation. And this is how they celebrate being vaccinated in nursing homes:
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 20, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Sweden: 1,065 (10,797) 4,702* 327 *Since Friday, according to SVT.se. 147,000 vaccinated. Denmark: 323 (1,872) 886* 132 *based on 111,069 tests (0.8%), B.1.1.7. 8% of all positive tests + 157 positives out of 23.300 quicktests (0.67%). 177,218 vaccinated (3.04% of pop.). Finland: 114 (632) 444 27 Norway: 100 (543) 431 37 Iceland: 85 (29) 5 0 Iceland has 116 active cases, Faroe Islands 7, New Zealand 76 The Faroe Islands have 20 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized. |
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 21, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Sweden: 1,078 (10,921) 4,985* 315 *Since Friday, according to SVT.se. 147,000 vaccinated. Denmark: 329 (1,909) 760* 136 *based on 114,074 tests (0.7%) + 146 positives of 22.025 quick tests (0.66%). 185,777 vaccinated (3.19% of pop.). Finland: 114 (632) 399 27 Norway: 100 (544) 372 40 Iceland: 85 (29) 6 0 Iceland has 106 active cases, Faroe Islands 7, New Zealand 73 The Faroe Islands have 27 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized. Three new Covid cases in the Faroes since Sunday (KVF.fo, Jan. 21, 2021) Poll: 84 percent want to get vaccinated (KVF.fo, Jan. 21, 2021) 10% undecided, 6% refuse Lowest number of new cases in Denmark since September, but still many deaths and many in ICUs. |
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That first article is fascinating. And the very idea that these fanatics were trying to influence Johnson (who is known for simply seeking some justification for what he wants to do anyway) not to impose a lockdown when England was clearly heading for the rocks is appalling.
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22nd January 2021, 06:22 PM
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"The way we vote will depend, ultimately, on whether we are persuaded to hope or to fear." - Aonghas MacNeacail, June 2012. |
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23rd January 2021, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolfe
Giesecke and Tegnell will do anything to make Sweden look good in comparison, I think. Like when they are offended by other Nordic countries closing their borders to Swedish travelers.
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And protecting the elderly in particular while the disease was spreading in the less vulnerable population in order to build herd immunity was supposed to be the Swedish strategy ... |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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23rd January 2021, 12:37 AM
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Jan. 22, 2020) Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical Sweden: 1,086 (11,005) 4,214* 303 *Since Friday, according to SVT.se. 147,000 vaccinated. Denmark: 334 (1,941) 773* 130 *based on 115,927 tests (0.67%), + 157 positives of 30.968 quicktests (0.51%). 180,555 vaccinated, 3.09% of pop. 9,264 have had the second dose. Finland: 116 (644) 350 24 Norway: 100 (544) 306 41 Iceland: 85 (29) 0 0 COVID rules to relax earlier than expected? Iceland has 84 active cases, Faroe Islands 7, New Zealand 73 The Faroe Islands have 27 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized. Denmark: Modstanden mod coronavacciner svinder ind: 9 ud af 10 vil have stikket Modstanden mod coronavacciner svinder ind: 9 ud af 10 vil have stikketThe resistance against corona vaccines is dwindling: 9 out of 10 now want the shot[/url] The percentage of Danes who want to get vaccinated has now grown from 76 in December to 87 now. The percentage of skeptics has dropped from 11 to 5. The percentage of B.1.1.7. of all cases is rising: 7% of positive tests in week 2. In week one, it was 4.1%. But the number of new cases is dropping enough to keep up. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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23rd January 2021, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolfe
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23rd January 2021, 05:10 AM
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Now I feel cheated! My computer didn't warn me at all! Nothing happened, but still ...
 By the way, a Swedish professor of infectious diseases, Anders Björkman, is very fond of comparisons with Norway. He is trying to sell the idea that the obvious difference in death toll had nothing to do with different strategies and everything to do with the R0 being bigger in Sweden, for some reason. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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23rd January 2021, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dann
Now I feel cheated! My computer didn't warn me at all! Nothing happened, but still ...
By the way, a Swedish professor of infectious diseases, Anders Björkman, is very fond of comparisons with Norway. He is trying to sell the idea that the obvious difference in death toll had nothing to do with different strategies and everything to do with the R0 being bigger in Sweden, for some reason. I do wonder if they forget that Denmark has quite a high population density. |
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OECD healthcare spending Expenditure on healthcare http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/health-data.htm link is 2015 data (2013 Data below): UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending |
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23rd January 2021, 05:56 AM
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Här förbjuds munskydd i skolor: ”Helt vansinnigt” (Expressen.se, Jan. 23, 2021) Here face masks are banned in schools: "Totally insane" |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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23rd January 2021, 06:29 AM
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And what could that reason possibly have been I wonder? Could it have had anything to do with, perhaps, gasp, I know it's a long shot, Sweden's different strategy? |
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"The way we vote will depend, ultimately, on whether we are persuaded to hope or to fear." - Aonghas MacNeacail, June 2012. |
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23rd January 2021, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbob
More than seven times higher, actually. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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