Trump's accomplishments - Page 4

Tero · 21st January 2021, 05:49 AM

Is there any chance we will get legislation controlling the presidency, executive orders and all that? Because we will have other autocrats and there needs to be a method to veto presidential acts short of impeachment.

Upchurch · 21st January 2021, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

What do you mean, "if"?

I think they mean "on the condition or supposition that".

Segnosaur · 21st January 2021, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

Is there any chance we will get legislation controlling the presidency, executive orders and all that? Because we will have other autocrats and there needs to be a method to veto presidential acts short of impeachment.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Republicans propose that sort of legislation. (After all, being hypocrites is what they do.)

ChrisBFRPKY · 21st January 2021, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Mmmmm........no.

And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice.

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

gregthehammer · 21st January 2021, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

that's quite the...logic ? Since H1N1 was orders of magnitude less deadly than Covid-19, wouldn't it make sense not to expend resources to combat it?

lobosrul5 · 21st January 2021, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

Yes, lets compare H1N1 that killed a confirmed 18,000 people in the entire world in 2009 to a disease that has killed over 400,000 Americans.

We knew, very early on, that COVID was far deadlier than the flu. Actually, remember back to the early days of last year, everyone thought it was deadlier than it turned out to be. Partially because we've developed better treatments. The response for a disease should be in proportion to its morbidity don't you think?

Obama actually did declare a national emergency for what its worth:

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/nat...35ba581b4.html

dirtywick · 21st January 2021, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

jesus christ bro

timhau · 21st January 2021, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

For some reason, this argument makes me think of a snake making a circle, not by eating its tail but by pushing its head up its own ass.

Safe-Keeper · 21st January 2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange.

Which war did Obama start?

JoeMorgue · 21st January 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Which war did Obama start?

Obviously the Race War that's going to lead to white genocide any minute now... any minute... any minute.

Upchurch · 21st January 2021, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Which war did Obama start?

Zig might just not be convinced that you really want to know.

Roger Ramjets · 21st January 2021, 01:34 PM

Trump's finest 'accomplishment',

China’s gift for the Biden inauguration is a conspiracy theory about Covid-19’s US origins

Quote:

Hua Chunying, a spokesperson for China’s foreign ministry, said... that the US should open Fort Detrick, a military medical research base in Maryland, for further investigation as a possible origin of Covid-19. “I’d like to stress that if the United States truly respects facts, it should open the biological lab at Fort Detrick, give more transparency to issues like its 200-plus overseas bio-labs..."

Hua made the remark in response to a question on China’s reaction to a statement last week from the outgoing US state secretary Mike Pompeo, who said the US government has “reasons to believe” some staffers at China’s state-owned Wuhan Institute of Virology developed symptoms that were consistent with “both Covid-19 and common seasonal illnesses” in autumn 2019, before the pandemic turned Wuhan into its epicenter early last year...

A post that contained a video clip of Hua’s remark on the US lab received around 4.5 million upvotes, with commentators saying they now firmly believe the virus is from the US. “Even the foreign ministry said so, it seems [the conspiracy theory] is true,” the top comment under the post read.

Trump mainstreamed conspiracy theories and weaponized them for political gain. Now China is doing the same - and who can blame them? We can expect a lot more similar tactics in the future, from China and other countries.

This has the potential to do far more lasting damage than Covid-19. We saw how Trump infected his supporters' minds and made them immune to facts, ultimately resulting in a violent attempt to take over our government. Now imagine what a country of 1.4 billion people and (currently) third most powerful military in the World could do to us.

Under Biden's leadership we will defeat Trump's so-called 'China virus', but how will we fair against the Trump virus?

tyr_13 · 21st January 2021, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

For some reason, this argument makes me think of a snake making a circle, not by eating its tail but by pushing its head up its own ass.

I can't nom this. I can't. I SO wish I could, because it's a perfect use of imagery in writing to convey a point, but it's also a snake pushing it's head up it's own ass.

turingtest · 21st January 2021, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by gregthehammer

that's quite the...logic ? Since H1N1 was orders of magnitude less deadly than Covid-19, wouldn't it make sense not to expend resources to combat it?

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Yes, lets compare H1N1 that killed a confirmed 18,000 people in the entire world in 2009 to a disease that has killed over 400,000 Americans.

We knew, very early on, that COVID was far deadlier than the flu. Actually, remember back to the early days of last year, everyone thought it was deadlier than it turned out to be. Partially because we've developed better treatments. The response for a disease should be in proportion to its morbidity don't you think?

Obama actually did declare a national emergency for what its worth:

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/nat...35ba581b4.html

And all this is not even mentioning that the 60 million H1N1 cases were over a period of 19 months, the 24+ million Covid 19 in right at a year. Probably a good thing we at least don't need to worry about how Trump's stupidity and ineptitude in not even learning by a previous example would have affected those numbers (even before getting to the morbidity yardstick), given another seven months to work on them.

Stacyhs · 21st January 2021, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

Funny...I don't remember Obama downplaying the hazards of the H1N1 virus to the American people all the while knowing what they were.

catsmate · 21st January 2021, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

You seem to have missed the four hundred thousand dead USAians due to the Tantrump's mishandling of the pandemic, moral cowardice and idiocy, exacerbated by the Republican running down of Federal government capacity and belittling of science.

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

Yes. Perhaps half as many.

catsmate · 21st January 2021, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Funny...I don't remember Obama downplaying the hazards of the H1N1 virus to the American people all the while knowing what they were.

Or advocating drinking bleach.

Segnosaur · 21st January 2021, 10:36 PM

i think people are being far too critical of Trump, and overlooking his true achievements. You really have to keep an open mind:

- Trump helped heal the nation after the Bowling Green massacre. So great was Trump's ability to heal the nation that Bowling Green is rarely mentioned.

- Trump also showed the country how to be empathetic to the victims of school shootings. So powerful was the message that Trump actually had it written down so we would know how important it was.

- Trump managed to expand the English vocabulary, adding all sorts of new words and phrases, such as "Covfeffe" and "Prime the Pump". Without Trump, nobody would have any idea that those words existed

- Trump saved countless lives in Alabama, by warning them about the approaching Hurricane Dorian. Without Trump, who knows how many lives would have been lost?

dirtywick · 21st January 2021, 11:52 PM

this dude serving mcdonalds to the cfb champions isn't even the 10th most ridiculous thing he's done

Upchurch · 22nd January 2021, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

- Trump managed to expand the English vocabulary, adding all sorts of new words and phrases, such as "Covfeffe" and "Prime the Pump". Without Trump, nobody would have any idea that those words existed

Don’t forget his contributions to history education.

Hands up, who knew Lincoln was a Republican before Trump told you? Not many people, that’s for sure.

Segnosaur · 22nd January 2021, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

Don’t forget his contributions to history education.

Hands up, who knew Lincoln was a Republican before Trump told you? Not many people, that’s for sure.

Good point.

And don't forget the military activity at the airports during the revolutionary war. We can almost rewrite the textbook on American history.

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Dave Rogers · 22nd January 2021, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

- Trump managed to expand the English vocabulary, adding all sorts of new words and phrases, such as "Covfeffe" and "Prime the Pump". Without Trump, nobody would have any idea that those words existed

He also, by his own account, was the first person ever to use the term "fake news."

Actually, that may be a genuine accomplishment; there have been uncountably many liars in human history, but has there ever been a recursive liar?

Dave

Gord_in_Toronto · 22nd January 2021, 07:44 AM

I think he managed to "fix" shower heads so Americans can now wash all their body parts. I don't remember if he was able to fix low flow toilets so he did not have flush the toilet "10 times, 15 times".

(There are so many possible jokes here but I'll restrain myself.)

dann · 22nd January 2021, 07:49 AM

I only discovered this very recently, but Trump installed an ambassador in Iceland, whom they won't forget in the near future!

Quote:

US ambassador to Iceland, Jeffrey Ross Gunther, last night re-tweeted a tweet from president Donald Trump in which he encourages Americans to wear masks. The ambassador uses the term "China Virus" to describe the coronavirus pandemic and says that "we are united" to defeat the illness. His re-tweet featured Icelandic and American flag emojis.
US ambassador tweets about "China Virus" (RUV.is, July 21, 2020)

Controversial U.S. ambassador to Iceland wanted firearm, security for Reykjavik post CBS News, July 28, 2020)

Quote:

American citizens living in Iceland have launched a petition calling on Donald Trump to remove Jeffrey Ross Gunter from the post of US ambassador to Iceland.
(...)
The ambassador reportedly wants an armed guard, and the embassy has advertised for bodyguards in Icelandic newspapers. According to sources of RÚV’s Kveikur programme, the ambassador is convinced his life is in danger because he is Jewish.
Gunter visited the USA this spring and, according to CBS coverage, refused to return to Reykjavík until Secretary of State Mike Pompeo personally asked him to return to his post.
(RUV.is, July 28, 2020)

Quote:

US media outlet CBS reported the ambassador had become paranoid and wanted to bear arms himself, wear a stab-proof vest, and use a bulletproof car. He was reported to be convinced that many members of his embassy staff were part of the so-called Deep State.

He also reportedly refused to return to Iceland from a trip to California last year until ordered back to his post in person by the then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Then, in October, the US embassy accused Fréttablaðið of fake news and irresponsible journalism. The complaint came after the newspaper reported that, despite COVID-19 restrictions, the embassy had ordered all staff to help with the move to new premises. The move was apparently rushed because the ambassador insisted it be complete before the US presidential election. The embassy retorted that no known coronavirus infection had been recorded within its walls.
US ambassador quits (RUV.is, Jan. 21, 2021)

I'm surprised Trump never asked the Danish PM to sell Iceland!

Dr. Keith · 22nd January 2021, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

I can't nom this. I can't. I SO wish I could, because it's a perfect use of imagery in writing to convey a point, but it's also a snake pushing it's head up it's own ass.

My standards are lower than yours. I nommed it while I was still laughing.

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Safe-Keeper · 23rd January 2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

jesus christ bro

"But but but the black man

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Shalamar · 23rd January 2021, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths.

So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad.

If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI

Is that why you desire a one party conservative state in the USA?

thaiboxerken · 29th January 2021, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Shalamar

Is that why you desire a one party conservative state in the USA?

Hmm.. you'd think Obama would have learned from the H1N1 events and did something to prevent that kind of thing from happening again....like form a pandemic response team and plan...

Chanakya · 29th January 2021, 12:59 PM

Okay, let me add to this thread, without a shred of irony, an actual accomplishment of Trump. That would be the fact that he doesn't drink.

This came up in the course of a conversation yesterday. Trump apparently never drinks, because there's alcoholism in the family, and he didn't want to risk going down that line.

So, I think for someone with his kind of dysfunctional mental and emotional and moral getup, to be able to clearly formulate that motto, that principle, of not wanting to go that route and therefore deciding to stay away from drink, is commendable; and it is even more commendable for someone of his very questionable standards in just about everything to be able to successfully follow through with that part of his life-plan.

I think we can acknowledge, without irony, that even this man, otherwise rotten to the core, is not entirely without some small personal accomplishments. Or at least, accomplishment, singular.

Chris_Halkides · 29th January 2021, 04:54 PM

Secretary of Education Betsy deVos reformed of Title IX as it pertains to alleged sexual misconduct. Link1.

"KC Johnson, a professor of history at Brooklyn College and an expert on campus sexual assault investigations, says the new framework is “really quite an impressive document.” He says it balances key due process provisions, such as requiring cross-examination in misconduct hearings, while also protecting the rights of accusers." link2

I have followed Professor of History KC Johnson's reporting on this subject at Minding the Campus and at his own blog, Academic Wonderland. His essays there are worth consulting for information on specific cases. Johnson wrote, "The administration made two important policy changes—one in 2011, the other in 2014—not as regulations, which require public notice and comment, but as “guidance” documents. Then, when asked whether the Education Department expected colleges to follow blindly the documents’ demands as if they were regulations, [Catherine] Lhamon said yes." link3.

Stacyhs · 29th January 2021, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Chanakya

Okay, let me add to this thread, without a shred of irony, an actual accomplishment of Trump. That would be the fact that he doesn't drink.

This came up in the course of a conversation yesterday. Trump apparently never drinks, because there's alcoholism in the family, and he didn't want to risk going down that line.

So, I think for someone with his kind of dysfunctional mental and emotional and moral getup, to be able to clearly formulate that motto, that principle, of not wanting to go that route and therefore deciding to stay away from drink, is commendable; and it is even more commendable for someone of his very questionable standards in just about everything to be able to successfully follow through with that part of his life-plan.

I think we can acknowledge, without irony, that even this man, otherwise rotten to the core, is not entirely without some small personal accomplishments. Or at least, accomplishment, singular.

Trump does nothing out of principle because he has none.

There is not a 'history' of alcoholism in the family. There is a single case of one alcoholic in a sibling.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Trump may just not like the taste of alcohol and he's passing his not drinking off as some kind of personal moral strength? My daughter doesn't drink for that reason. She has no problem with others drinking alcohol ; she just doesn't like the taste of it even in mixed drinks.

Also, it could be Trump was just trying to please Daddy and stay in his good graces because if there's one thing that he feared, it was disappointing Daddy Trump the way Fred Jr. did. As Mary Trump says, Donald plays to an audience of one even today: Fred Sr.

timhau · 31st January 2021, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Hmm.. you'd think Obama would have learned from the H1N1 events and did something to prevent that kind of thing from happening again....like form a pandemic response team and plan...

It's all Obama's fault for not forming a proper pandemic response team, one that wouln't have folded like a cheap camping chair when the next president disassembles it.

Upchurch · 1st February 2021, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

It's all Obama's fault for not forming a proper pandemic response team, one that wouln't have folded like a cheap camping chair when the next president disassembles it.

Obama was too busy starting new wars.

Skeptic Ginger · 1st February 2021, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chanakya

Okay, let me add to this thread, without a shred of irony, an actual accomplishment of Trump. That would be the fact that he doesn't drink.

This came up in the course of a conversation yesterday. Trump apparently never drinks, because there's alcoholism in the family, and he didn't want to risk going down that line.

So, I think for someone with his kind of dysfunctional mental and emotional and moral getup, to be able to clearly formulate that motto, that principle, of not wanting to go that route and therefore deciding to stay away from drink, is commendable; and it is even more commendable for someone of his very questionable standards in just about everything to be able to successfully follow through with that part of his life-plan.

I think we can acknowledge, without irony, that even this man, otherwise rotten to the core, is not entirely without some small personal accomplishments. Or at least, accomplishment, singular.

And yet there are more than a few rumors plus observations of him slurring words that he simply abuses alternative drugs.

timhau · 1st February 2021, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

And yet there are more than a few rumors plus observations of him slurring words that he simply abuses alternative drugs.

Yeah, and I'm not sure it counts as an accomplishment that you're not a despicable drunkard because you're missed on the 'drunkard' part.

Craig4 · 1st February 2021, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

My standards are lower than yours. I nommed it while I was still laughing.

That's totally going to make it to the poll.

MarkCorrigan · 1st February 2021, 09:13 AM

Well, he made a whole lot of people realise just how maligned George W Bush was.

I mean he wasn't exactly a great president, but he was a reasonably moderate normal human being considering.

Segnosaur · 1st February 2021, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

Quote:

Hmm.. you'd think Obama would have learned from the H1N1 events and did something to prevent that kind of thing from happening again....like form a pandemic response team and plan...

It's all Obama's fault for not forming a proper pandemic response team, one that wouln't have folded like a cheap camping chair when the next president disassembles it.

And why didn't Obama have the foresight to prevent a future president from removing CDC workers embedded in China? If Obama was able to force later presidents to keep those people in place, maybe the U.S. would have had a better indication about how to deal with Covid-19.

Thanks Obama.

Susheel · 1st February 2021, 09:48 AM

He never became a cannibal?

21st January 2021, 05:49 AM	#121
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,200	Is there any chance we will get legislation controlling the presidency, executive orders and all that? Because we will have other autocrats and there needs to be a method to veto presidential acts short of impeachment.
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21st January 2021, 10:48 AM	#122
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,373	Originally Posted by Ziggurat What do you mean, "if"? I think they mean "on the condition or supposition that".
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21st January 2021, 10:51 AM	#123
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,103	Originally Posted by Tero Is there any chance we will get legislation controlling the presidency, executive orders and all that? Because we will have other autocrats and there needs to be a method to veto presidential acts short of impeachment. It wouldn't surprise me to see Republicans propose that sort of legislation. (After all, being hypocrites is what they do.)
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21st January 2021, 11:10 AM	#124
ChrisBFRPKY Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,661	Originally Posted by catsmate Mmmmm........no. And Obama didn't let four hundred thousand USAians be killed by a disease because of his stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice. Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI
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21st January 2021, 11:15 AM	#125
gregthehammer Muse Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 721	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI that's quite the...logic ? Since H1N1 was orders of magnitude less deadly than Covid-19, wouldn't it make sense not to expend resources to combat it?
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21st January 2021, 11:52 AM	#126
lobosrul5 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 2,160	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI Yes, lets compare H1N1 that killed a confirmed 18,000 people in the entire world in 2009 to a disease that has killed over 400,000 Americans. We knew, very early on, that COVID was far deadlier than the flu. Actually, remember back to the early days of last year, everyone thought it was deadlier than it turned out to be. Partially because we've developed better treatments. The response for a disease should be in proportion to its morbidity don't you think? Obama actually did declare a national emergency for what its worth: https://www.heraldextra.com/news/nat...35ba581b4.html
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21st January 2021, 12:39 PM	#127
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,105	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI jesus christ bro
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21st January 2021, 12:51 PM	#128
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,462	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI For some reason, this argument makes me think of a snake making a circle, not by eating its tail but by pushing its head up its own ass.
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21st January 2021, 01:07 PM	#129
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,389	Originally Posted by Ziggurat People here seem to think that being worried about something is evidence in and of itself that they should have been worried. It's quite strange. Which war did Obama start?
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21st January 2021, 01:11 PM	#130
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,605	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Which war did Obama start? Obviously the Race War that's going to lead to white genocide any minute now... any minute... any minute.
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21st January 2021, 01:16 PM	#131
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,373	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Which war did Obama start? Zig might just not be convinced that you really want to know.
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21st January 2021, 01:34 PM	#132
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,331	The Trump Virus Trump's finest 'accomplishment', China’s gift for the Biden inauguration is a conspiracy theory about Covid-19’s US origins Quote: Hua Chunying, a spokesperson for China’s foreign ministry, said... that the US should open Fort Detrick, a military medical research base in Maryland, for further investigation as a possible origin of Covid-19. “I’d like to stress that if the United States truly respects facts, it should open the biological lab at Fort Detrick, give more transparency to issues like its 200-plus overseas bio-labs..." Hua made the remark in response to a question on China’s reaction to a statement last week from the outgoing US state secretary Mike Pompeo, who said the US government has “reasons to believe” some staffers at China’s state-owned Wuhan Institute of Virology developed symptoms that were consistent with “both Covid-19 and common seasonal illnesses” in autumn 2019, before the pandemic turned Wuhan into its epicenter early last year... A post that contained a video clip of Hua’s remark on the US lab received around 4.5 million upvotes, with commentators saying they now firmly believe the virus is from the US. “Even the foreign ministry said so, it seems [the conspiracy theory] is true,” the top comment under the post read. Trump mainstreamed conspiracy theories and weaponized them for political gain. Now China is doing the same - and who can blame them? We can expect a lot more similar tactics in the future, from China and other countries. This has the potential to do far more lasting damage than Covid-19. We saw how Trump infected his supporters' minds and made them immune to facts, ultimately resulting in a violent attempt to take over our government. Now imagine what a country of 1.4 billion people and (currently) third most powerful military in the World could do to us. Under Biden's leadership we will defeat Trump's so-called 'China virus', but how will we fair against the Trump virus?
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21st January 2021, 02:13 PM	#133
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,411	Originally Posted by timhau For some reason, this argument makes me think of a snake making a circle, not by eating its tail but by pushing its head up its own ass. I can't nom this. I can't. I SO wish I could, because it's a perfect use of imagery in writing to convey a point, but it's also a snake pushing it's head up it's own ass.
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21st January 2021, 02:35 PM	#134
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,674	Originally Posted by gregthehammer that's quite the...logic ? Since H1N1 was orders of magnitude less deadly than Covid-19, wouldn't it make sense not to expend resources to combat it? Originally Posted by lobosrul5 Yes, lets compare H1N1 that killed a confirmed 18,000 people in the entire world in 2009 to a disease that has killed over 400,000 Americans. We knew, very early on, that COVID was far deadlier than the flu. Actually, remember back to the early days of last year, everyone thought it was deadlier than it turned out to be. Partially because we've developed better treatments. The response for a disease should be in proportion to its morbidity don't you think? Obama actually did declare a national emergency for what its worth: https://www.heraldextra.com/news/nat...35ba581b4.html And all this is not even mentioning that the 60 million H1N1 cases were over a period of 19 months, the 24+ million Covid 19 in right at a year. Probably a good thing we at least don't need to worry about how Trump's stupidity and ineptitude in not even learning by a previous example would have affected those numbers (even before getting to the morbidity yardstick), given another seven months to work on them.
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21st January 2021, 03:01 PM	#135
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,987	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI Funny...I don't remember Obama downplaying the hazards of the H1N1 virus to the American people all the while knowing what they were.

21st January 2021, 04:26 PM	#136
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,818	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY <snippage of the usual nonsensical, irrelevant drivel> You seem to have missed the four hundred thousand dead USAians due to the Tantrump's mishandling of the pandemic, moral cowardice and idiocy, exacerbated by the Republican running down of Federal government capacity and belittling of science. Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI Yes. Perhaps half as many.
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21st January 2021, 04:28 PM	#137
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,818	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Funny...I don't remember Obama downplaying the hazards of the H1N1 virus to the American people all the while knowing what they were. Or advocating drinking bleach.
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21st January 2021, 10:36 PM	#138
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,103	i think people are being far too critical of Trump, and overlooking his true achievements. You really have to keep an open mind: - Trump helped heal the nation after the Bowling Green massacre. So great was Trump's ability to heal the nation that Bowling Green is rarely mentioned. - Trump also showed the country how to be empathetic to the victims of school shootings. So powerful was the message that Trump actually had it written down so we would know how important it was. - Trump managed to expand the English vocabulary, adding all sorts of new words and phrases, such as "Covfeffe" and "Prime the Pump". Without Trump, nobody would have any idea that those words existed - Trump saved countless lives in Alabama, by warning them about the approaching Hurricane Dorian. Without Trump, who knows how many lives would have been lost?
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21st January 2021, 11:52 PM	#139
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,105	this dude serving mcdonalds to the cfb champions isn't even the 10th most ridiculous thing he's done
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22nd January 2021, 06:34 AM	#140
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,373	Originally Posted by Segnosaur - Trump managed to expand the English vocabulary, adding all sorts of new words and phrases, such as "Covfeffe" and "Prime the Pump". Without Trump, nobody would have any idea that those words existed Don’t forget his contributions to history education. Hands up, who knew Lincoln was a Republican before Trump told you? Not many people, that’s for sure.
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22nd January 2021, 06:42 AM	#141
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,103	Originally Posted by Upchurch Don’t forget his contributions to history education. Hands up, who knew Lincoln was a Republican before Trump told you? Not many people, that’s for sure. Good point. And don't forget the military activity at the airports during the revolutionary war. We can almost rewrite the textbook on American history. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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22nd January 2021, 07:15 AM	#142
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,362	Originally Posted by Segnosaur - Trump managed to expand the English vocabulary, adding all sorts of new words and phrases, such as "Covfeffe" and "Prime the Pump". Without Trump, nobody would have any idea that those words existed He also, by his own account, was the first person ever to use the term "fake news." Actually, that may be a genuine accomplishment; there have been uncountably many liars in human history, but has there ever been a recursive liar? Dave
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22nd January 2021, 07:44 AM	#143
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,393	I think he managed to "fix" shower heads so Americans can now wash all their body parts. I don't remember if he was able to fix low flow toilets so he did not have flush the toilet "10 times, 15 times". (There are so many possible jokes here but I'll restrain myself.)
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22nd January 2021, 07:49 AM	#144
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,546	I only discovered this very recently, but Trump installed an ambassador in Iceland, whom they won't forget in the near future! Quote: US ambassador to Iceland, Jeffrey Ross Gunther, last night re-tweeted a tweet from president Donald Trump in which he encourages Americans to wear masks. The ambassador uses the term "China Virus" to describe the coronavirus pandemic and says that "we are united" to defeat the illness. His re-tweet featured Icelandic and American flag emojis. US ambassador tweets about "China Virus" (RUV.is, July 21, 2020) Controversial U.S. ambassador to Iceland wanted firearm, security for Reykjavik post CBS News, July 28, 2020) Quote: American citizens living in Iceland have launched a petition calling on Donald Trump to remove Jeffrey Ross Gunter from the post of US ambassador to Iceland. (...) The ambassador reportedly wants an armed guard, and the embassy has advertised for bodyguards in Icelandic newspapers. According to sources of RÚV’s Kveikur programme, the ambassador is convinced his life is in danger because he is Jewish. Gunter visited the USA this spring and, according to CBS coverage, refused to return to Reykjavík until Secretary of State Mike Pompeo personally asked him to return to his post. (RUV.is, July 28, 2020) Quote: US media outlet CBS reported the ambassador had become paranoid and wanted to bear arms himself, wear a stab-proof vest, and use a bulletproof car. He was reported to be convinced that many members of his embassy staff were part of the so-called Deep State. He also reportedly refused to return to Iceland from a trip to California last year until ordered back to his post in person by the then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Then, in October, the US embassy accused Fréttablaðið of fake news and irresponsible journalism. The complaint came after the newspaper reported that, despite COVID-19 restrictions, the embassy had ordered all staff to help with the move to new premises. The move was apparently rushed because the ambassador insisted it be complete before the US presidential election. The embassy retorted that no known coronavirus infection had been recorded within its walls. US ambassador quits (RUV.is, Jan. 21, 2021) I'm surprised Trump never asked the Danish PM to sell Iceland!
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22nd January 2021, 10:37 AM	#145
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,449	Originally Posted by tyr_13 I can't nom this. I can't. I SO wish I could, because it's a perfect use of imagery in writing to convey a point, but it's also a snake pushing it's head up it's own ass. My standards are lower than yours. I nommed it while I was still laughing.
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23rd January 2021, 05:38 PM	#147
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,389	Originally Posted by dirtywick jesus christ bro "But but but the black man !!"
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23rd January 2021, 06:14 PM	#148
Shalamar Dark Lord of the JREF Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 4,929	Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY Are we forgetting Obama did let H1N1 infect about 60 million in the US. We have less than half that number that have been infected with Covid-19. The only saving grace for Obama and Biden is that H1N1 was not as deadly attributing to fewer deaths. So if stupidity, ineptitude and cowardice adequately describes Trump's response to Covid-19, then Obama's response to H1N1 would be rated twice as bad. If you imagine the deaths if Obama had battled Covid-19.....FYI Is that why you desire a one party conservative state in the USA?
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29th January 2021, 12:53 PM	#149
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,706	Originally Posted by Shalamar Is that why you desire a one party conservative state in the USA? Hmm.. you'd think Obama would have learned from the H1N1 events and did something to prevent that kind of thing from happening again....like form a pandemic response team and plan...
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29th January 2021, 12:59 PM	#150
Chanakya Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,593	Okay, let me add to this thread, without a shred of irony, an actual accomplishment of Trump. That would be the fact that he doesn't drink. This came up in the course of a conversation yesterday. Trump apparently never drinks, because there's alcoholism in the family, and he didn't want to risk going down that line. So, I think for someone with his kind of dysfunctional mental and emotional and moral getup, to be able to clearly formulate that motto, that principle, of not wanting to go that route and therefore deciding to stay away from drink, is commendable; and it is even more commendable for someone of his very questionable standards in just about everything to be able to successfully follow through with that part of his life-plan. I think we can acknowledge, without irony, that even this man, otherwise rotten to the core, is not entirely without some small personal accomplishments. Or at least, accomplishment, singular.
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29th January 2021, 04:54 PM	#151
Chris_Halkides Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,978	Title IX reform Secretary of Education Betsy deVos reformed of Title IX as it pertains to alleged sexual misconduct. Link1. "KC Johnson, a professor of history at Brooklyn College and an expert on campus sexual assault investigations, says the new framework is “really quite an impressive document.” He says it balances key due process provisions, such as requiring cross-examination in misconduct hearings, while also protecting the rights of accusers." link2 I have followed Professor of History KC Johnson's reporting on this subject at Minding the Campus and at his own blog, Academic Wonderland. His essays there are worth consulting for information on specific cases. Johnson wrote, "The administration made two important policy changes—one in 2011, the other in 2014—not as regulations, which require public notice and comment, but as “guidance” documents. Then, when asked whether the Education Department expected colleges to follow blindly the documents’ demands as if they were regulations, [Catherine] Lhamon said yes." link3.
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29th January 2021, 06:25 PM	#152
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,987	Originally Posted by Chanakya Okay, let me add to this thread, without a shred of irony, an actual accomplishment of Trump. That would be the fact that he doesn't drink. This came up in the course of a conversation yesterday. Trump apparently never drinks, because there's alcoholism in the family, and he didn't want to risk going down that line. So, I think for someone with his kind of dysfunctional mental and emotional and moral getup, to be able to clearly formulate that motto, that principle, of not wanting to go that route and therefore deciding to stay away from drink, is commendable; and it is even more commendable for someone of his very questionable standards in just about everything to be able to successfully follow through with that part of his life-plan. I think we can acknowledge, without irony, that even this man, otherwise rotten to the core, is not entirely without some small personal accomplishments. Or at least, accomplishment, singular. Trump does nothing out of principle because he has none. There is not a 'history' of alcoholism in the family. There is a single case of one alcoholic in a sibling. Has it ever occurred to anyone that Trump may just not like the taste of alcohol and he's passing his not drinking off as some kind of personal moral strength? My daughter doesn't drink for that reason. She has no problem with others drinking alcohol ; she just doesn't like the taste of it even in mixed drinks. Also, it could be Trump was just trying to please Daddy and stay in his good graces because if there's one thing that he feared, it was disappointing Daddy Trump the way Fred Jr. did. As Mary Trump says, Donald plays to an audience of one even today: Fred Sr.

31st January 2021, 11:48 PM	#153
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,462	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Hmm.. you'd think Obama would have learned from the H1N1 events and did something to prevent that kind of thing from happening again....like form a pandemic response team and plan... It's all Obama's fault for not forming a proper pandemic response team, one that wouln't have folded like a cheap camping chair when the next president disassembles it.
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1st February 2021, 06:16 AM	#154
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,373	Originally Posted by timhau It's all Obama's fault for not forming a proper pandemic response team, one that wouln't have folded like a cheap camping chair when the next president disassembles it. Obama was too busy starting new wars.
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1st February 2021, 06:21 AM	#155
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,835	Originally Posted by Chanakya Okay, let me add to this thread, without a shred of irony, an actual accomplishment of Trump. That would be the fact that he doesn't drink. This came up in the course of a conversation yesterday. Trump apparently never drinks, because there's alcoholism in the family, and he didn't want to risk going down that line. So, I think for someone with his kind of dysfunctional mental and emotional and moral getup, to be able to clearly formulate that motto, that principle, of not wanting to go that route and therefore deciding to stay away from drink, is commendable; and it is even more commendable for someone of his very questionable standards in just about everything to be able to successfully follow through with that part of his life-plan. I think we can acknowledge, without irony, that even this man, otherwise rotten to the core, is not entirely without some small personal accomplishments. Or at least, accomplishment, singular. And yet there are more than a few rumors plus observations of him slurring words that he simply abuses alternative drugs.

1st February 2021, 06:23 AM	#156
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,462	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger And yet there are more than a few rumors plus observations of him slurring words that he simply abuses alternative drugs. Yeah, and I'm not sure it counts as an accomplishment that you're not a despicable drunkard because you're missed on the 'drunkard' part.
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