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Old 8th August 2012, 02:02 PM   #201
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I would suspect that Munns may be good at fooling people about monster costumes. That is what his career was built upon. Not much of a stretch to sell bigfoot after a career in monster making. At least Munns makes money from his bigfoot interest and time. The only part I dislike is the bigfoot is a scam, an illusion created for profit. Then again so are many parts of the "entertainment" industry. While bigfoot is certainly entertaining, it is marketed as a real creature = godzilla, king kong. The only difference is the cult following truly believe its a real animal.
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Old 8th August 2012, 04:28 PM   #202
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Thanks for posting the images of the wrist band that attaches the glove to the sleeve.
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
Please explain what you think this gif proves, shows or vaguely indicates.
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Old 8th August 2012, 04:52 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
Bill is incorrect. The chance of the film being faked is more like 0

Here's a bonus gif image from SweatyYeti




Here is a bonus image showing the overlap between the furry diaper and the thigh .
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Old 8th August 2012, 05:09 PM   #205
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That's too precious - Munns' pretense of building the "Bob Heironimus Suit".

That's why I come here, after punching the clock at the steel factory.
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Old 8th August 2012, 07:19 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/z.../waderline.gif

Here is a bonus image showing the overlap between the furry diaper and the thigh .
What isnt there to like about a furry diaper.. I mean.. um.. well.. they are so.. comfortable.. nevermind. ahem.. I hear they are quite nice ?! Atleast from what I hear about them from other people who might have encountered them unlike myself.

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Old 13th August 2012, 08:04 AM   #207
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
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^That's Bob Heironimus wearing Philip Morris's "original" suit. I don't think people understand how difficult it is creating a wearable costume that will look like Patty. When Bill Munns says 0.00005, he really means it. He knows just how impossible it is to recreate the film. People accuse him of bias because his report is not confirming on the hoax theory.
Your posts continue to baffle, tickle and annoy me, all in one foul swoop. Does it ever grow tiresome when you have to constantly avoid using your surviving brain cells to try and make Bigfoot seem more believable?
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Old 13th August 2012, 08:14 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
I accept Roger's story over BobH's because BobH's story has inconsistencies with both the film and Philip Morris himself. For example, Philip Morris said the fur was made from synthetic material, while BobH said it was made from real horse hide. Roger Patterson couldn't have changed the material of the suit, he would have had to use a completely different suit.

I haven't heard of the bent stirrup, it's the first time I've heard of it, but I do know after reading many reports of Bigfoot, animals like horses and dogs become really afraid when they are around one. I'm not exactly sure what it is they are afraid of, but i'm sure it's something that can be explained by science one day. Hopefully.
I love how the many glaring inconsistencies within both P&G's stories seem to be unimportant to you. Sometimes Patterson fell off the horse, sometimes he didn't, sometimes it landed on him, sometimes it didn't... I mean, hey, a massive horse falling on you isn't something you'd remember? Pffft.

All of that contradicts what Gimlin has stated in other interviews.
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Munns is now drifting towards tree breaks as being possible signs of bigfoot, but he's smart enough to say so in a noncommittal manner.

I went out for a couple days earlier this week, and the only notable thing I found was a tree break on a sapling about 6 feet off the ground. The branches below the break where intact and no trees around the sapling were in any way damaged. In my mind if it was wind.....other trees would exhibit some sort of damage close by and if it was a moose or elk? They would have raked the tree from lower down in a upward motion, damaging the lower branches. It was also twisted over and snapped off and not cut. I would chalk this up to a "maybe", something that is odd, but not necessarily evidence per say. But from a recon standpoint it would be something you would document.


Some small critter probably crawled up the tree as far as it could before the tree failed.
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Old 21st October 2012, 04:34 PM   #210
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Bigfoot pole dancer. Probably barechested. I could be wrong.
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Old 21st October 2012, 07:05 PM   #211
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Tontar, were you involved in any way with this tree break? Why haven't you confessed to breaking the tree?
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Old 21st October 2012, 09:05 PM   #212
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Munns is now drifting towards tree breaks as being possible signs of bigfoot, but he's smart enough to say so in a noncommittal manner.

I went out for a couple days earlier this week, and the only notable thing I found was a tree break on a sapling about 6 feet off the ground. The branches below the break where intact and no trees around the sapling were in any way damaged. In my mind if it was wind.....other trees would exhibit some sort of damage close by and if it was a moose or elk? They would have raked the tree from lower down in a upward motion, damaging the lower branches. It was also twisted over and snapped off and not cut. I would chalk this up to a "maybe", something that is odd, but not necessarily evidence per say. But from a recon standpoint it would be something you would document.


Some small critter probably crawled up the tree as far as it could before the tree failed.
Can you post a link that will show where Bill Munns has actually said that or is that a quote from the event? I'm asking this because I'm not so sure Bill Munns actually said that.
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OS is trying to get people suspended. OS knows that LINKING TO BFF at JREF is a banning offense.
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OS is trying to get people suspended. OS knows that LINKING TO BFF at JREF is a banning offense.
Um, no, it's not. Importing arguments from over there will get you into trouble, but just quoting from BFF is fine.
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Old 22nd October 2012, 04:36 AM   #215
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Bigfoot pole dancer. Probably barechested. I could be wrong.
I have no idea if you are right or wrong but I can't remove the picture from my brain anymore now....
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Old 22nd October 2012, 05:51 AM   #216
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Can you post a link that will show where Bill Munns has actually said that or is that a quote from the event? I'm asking this because I'm not so sure Bill Munns actually said that.
You're right, it was Norseman.
Bill used to have the same avatar and I visit so rarely I confused the two.

Sorry Bill.
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Old 22nd October 2012, 07:39 AM   #217
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http://i49.tinypic.com/ir2qn7.gif
Please explain what you think this gif proves, shows or vaguely indicates.
(Post #203, upthread, from 8 August)
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Munns is now drifting towards tree breaks as being possible signs of bigfoot, but he's smart enough to say so in a noncommittal manner.

I went out for a couple days earlier this week, and the only notable thing I found was a tree break on a sapling about 6 feet off the ground. The branches below the break where intact and no trees around the sapling were in any way damaged. In my mind if it was wind.....other trees would exhibit some sort of damage close by and if it was a moose or elk? They would have raked the tree from lower down in a upward motion, damaging the lower branches. It was also twisted over and snapped off and not cut. I would chalk this up to a "maybe", something that is odd, but not necessarily evidence per say. But from a recon standpoint it would be something you would document.


Some small critter probably crawled up the tree as far as it could before the tree failed.
Or an immature specimen of homo sapiens sapiens.
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Please explain what you think this gif proves, shows or vaguely indicates.
It shows Patty flexed her fingers.
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It shows Patty flexed her fingers.
Okay.

You've heard of gloves, right?

You're aware that make-up professionals can glue hair to them?

What was the contention here again?
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It shows Patty flexed her fingers.
Actually it doesn't..

It shows the camera angle changed..
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Old 22nd October 2012, 10:02 PM   #222
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I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
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I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
Didn't tube do this one? I can't link to it because I'm a 'noooob' (15 posts needed), but it's dealt with fairly comprehensively on the first page of his site (orgoneresearch.com).

I could go into a rant about what's happened at another forum perhaps being a deliberate attempt to prevent the credulous newcomer from finding discussions where issues like this had already been thoroughly dealt with. But I suspect you have access to the communally-generated information that's now behind a paywall, so I suggest you start there.
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It shows Patty flexed her fingers.

No, it absolutely does not. You still seem to be having trouble with the concept of objectivity. Please remember, there are many members here who do understand the concept and would be glad to help you if you ever care to understand it, too.

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I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.

The Patterson-Gimlin film today is a remnant of an old hoax that Bigfoot believers cling to like a Catholic stroking a rosary. It's a strip of celluloid, individual frames of "detail" like the rosary beads, each one a symbol of something the believers desperately wish was real.
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I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
This has been discussed to the point of nausea here at JREF.

I realize it's a lot to look through, but trust me on this one.
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. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
It is today what it was then: an attempt to beguile the credulous for profit.
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Actually it doesn't..

It shows the camera angle changed..
I don't accept this assertion as conclusively evidential. Comparing the two non-contiguous frames in OS's borrowed gif, the fingers clearly move.

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I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
"Muscle contraction" of the dude wearing the suit, yes. Please explain your rationale for thinking a thin glove is a) required and b) not shown in the film.
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A brief rehashing of the Bill Munns saga, add or correct if wrong.

Comes to JREF, opens a thread called The Munns Report, says he wants to discuss his report.

Asks the forum to close the thread after 50 pages or so, saying he doesn't want to waste server space for the forum.

Threatens lawsuit if the JREF doesn't go after people who are commenting on his work.

Gets banned.

Comes back to the JREF as a sockpuppet, presumably Cbengalensis, and tries to re-engage participants.

Gets suspended.
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LOL! Can you do one for Ed Smith and Jon-Erik Beckjord?
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LOL! Can you address any one of the numerous rebuttals to your absurd position that gloves don't bend?
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your absurd position that gloves don't bend?

When did I take that position
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I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
Bolded relevant portion. Please explain.
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I don't think it would be a bulky glove due to the size and shape of her hand compared to the size of her forearm and estimated height. So if it is a glove, I think it would be a thin one designed to look very natural.
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Okay, so it's a thin one designed to look very natural over the meaty man-hands of the suit wearer. How does this disqualify the subject from being a dude in a suit?
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It doesn't. I was simply making an observation on the hand
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An observation which is also valid if the hand is inside of an ape-suit glove.
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It doesnt look very natural. It is nice that patty waives at us all though. She is quite fetching !
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Originally Posted by GT/CS View Post
Now the guy who believes Patty is a real bigfoot is going to prove it by making a suit using Long's book as a guide.

Finally, real objective evidence!!!!!

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I'm sure his recreation test will be completely unbiased.
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Old 11th January 2013, 11:21 PM   #239
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What's your point regarding the post you referenced?
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
I'm pretty sure the gif image shows her fingers have naturally moved by muscle contraction. If it is a glove I don't think it would be a big, bulky one. I think it would need to be a rather thin one that will show the natural shape of a hand. Just another very natural detail that makes the PGF what it is today.
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