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Old 4th June 2013, 08:27 AM   #321
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There's probably a lot of info we're missing here. I don't even know for a fact that Meldrum is reviewing the analysis, but you're right, if it is Meldrum, he probably wouldn't be giving an unbiased review, especially if he's paying to have it written.
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Old 4th June 2013, 09:05 AM   #322
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There's probably a lot of info we're missing here. I don't even know for a fact that Meldrum is reviewing the analysis, but you're right, if it is Meldrum, he probably wouldn't be giving an unbiased review, especially if he's paying to have it written.
The preponderance of evidence regarding this phenomena suggests that it's all about making some cash by invoking seeming legitimacy upon a popular campfire story.

Show me the money, but I ain't showing you the monkey.

Because I can't.

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Old 7th June 2013, 04:53 AM   #323
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Ben Radford's kickstarter page for his new board game about imaginary creatures:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...-of-the-damned

Bill Munns' kickstarter page for his new documentary about imaginary creatures:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wh...how_todos=true
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^Radford's board game is kicking Patty's diaper-butt!
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Old 7th June 2013, 09:20 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
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Bill Munns' kickstarter page for his new documentary about imaginary creatures:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wh...how_todos=true
Ah yes his new film "When Roger Met Patty And She Wasn't An Imaginary Creature Drewbot of JREF Forums So There".

Pathetic. 2 days left and he's barely at 11 percent of the goal. Apparently nobody had more than a month's worth of gas money e.g. $250 to put towards this Academy Award™ winning wet dreaming documentary. Oh cripes, now we gotta wade through some insane Bill 'Bernie' Munns Credibility Tour 2013 so he can get back on the right track and beg for his money more...fun lovingly. Wait, and immediately afterwards he's going on the Bill 'Borat' Munns Is The Greatest Person Ever Of The Universe And Kazakhstan 2014 tour too? Busy guy.

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Old 8th June 2013, 12:16 AM   #326
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Let me get this straight. Bill Munns is attempting to use the ultimate huckster (e.g., Roger Patterson) as a means to enhance the credibility and financial viability of a project that focuses on proving the existence of a mythical creature? In addition, he embraces the help provided to him by an educator (e.g., Jeff Meldrum) who gives short shrift to the scientific method? Yikes, it's black comedy at its finest.
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Old 8th June 2013, 09:12 PM   #327
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Ah yes his new film "When Roger Met Patty And She Wasn't An Imaginary Creature Drewbot of JREF Forums So There".

Pathetic. 2 days left and he's barely at 11 percent of the goal. Apparently nobody had more than a month's worth of gas money e.g. $250 to put towards this Academy Award™ winning wet dreaming documentary. Oh cripes, now we gotta wade through some insane Bill 'Bernie' Munns Credibility Tour 2013 so he can get back on the right track and beg for his money more...fun lovingly. Wait, and immediately afterwards he's going on the Bill 'Borat' Munns Is The Greatest Person Ever Of The Universe And Kazakhstan 2014 tour too? Busy guy.


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Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why? Debunking him has gotta be more interesting than slagging him, no?
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Old 9th June 2013, 05:57 PM   #329
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Originally Posted by Óšinn View Post
Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why? Debunking him has gotta be more interesting than slagging him, no?
I agree with the sentiment. Rather have counter-arguments instead of mere dissing any day. However, who among us is expert in the relevant field of costume making?

It doesn't enhance the image of Munns creativity, however, when he lamely names his film When Roger Met Patty. I know he was going for the Hollywood thing (When Harry Met Sally.)If I had advised him, the title would have been something with more juice: 30 Seconds at Bluff Creek.

Or something accurate, with bluish innuendo: When Roger Made Patty.
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So wait: the ace in Bill's hole is that he thinks Patty's head looks too small? Kinda like these guys?
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Old 9th June 2013, 08:12 PM   #331
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Originally Posted by Óšinn View Post
Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why?
Because, even if his claim about Patty's head being too small to fit a human head inside is true, it still doesn't rule out a person in a costume. In addition to JREF favorite Red King showing that's a load of nonsense, there's plenty of costumes out there utilizing a false head. Godzilla, the Horrordome Bigfoot costume, and this Wood Troll costume all come to mind. I think that was also the case with certain scenes from 1967's KING KONG ESCAPES, too.

I'd also like to take the time to address another questionable claim by Bill:

Originally Posted by Bill Munns on BFF
The fack that Roger and Bob approached from the opposite side of the creek thtat Patty was on both explains their ability to approach unheard, and also defeats suspicions of hoax, because you need to communicate with your talent in a hoax filming and communication from one side of the crek to the other by voice is all but useless, and with a guy in a costume, the mask impairing his vision, visual signels also don't work.
Really? Because the two person crew that made SWAMP FOETUS managed to shot a film under similar conditions. Check out the scenes at 2:01, 2:14, and 4:37 to see scenes shot at distances similar to what's seen in the PGF.
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Old 9th June 2013, 10:51 PM   #332
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Originally Posted by Óšinn View Post
Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why? Debunking him has gotta be more interesting than slagging him, no?
Why should anybody care what Munns thinks? It's not as if anybody in the film making industry thinks he is good at costume making or make-up.
If he was - he would be employed in that profession - not trying to scam $$ from the gullible.

Here's a bit of a fact that should make people sit up and take notice. The make-up artists who work regularly in the film and TV industry in Vancouver make damn good $$$. The make-up artist that works with me on music videos makes about $2000 a day on average. She drives a Maserati.

Special Effects people get a lot more than that. If Munns was working in the industry at the level he claims his expertise is at - he would be making big $$$$. Enough that he could pull $70,000 out of his pocket for his projects and not really miss it.

The evidence has been presented that shows Munns is nothing but a washed up former make-up guy who got fired from his last major job in the industry a long time ago.
When Munns came on the scene - it didn't take long for me to see that he fit the pattern of a fraud artist and I publicly called him on it.
His actions in the years since then have only proved my original assessment.

Pretending a fraud's opinions are supportive of any argument has got to be the lowest form of debate one can engage in.
At least Sweaty-yeti is honestly deluded.
What's your excuse Odinn?
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Originally Posted by Óšinn View Post
Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why? Debunking him has gotta be more interesting than slagging him, no?
I'm curious, how did he decide how big the Bigfoot head was, to see if a human could fit in it? Did he determine that size based a 15, 20 or 25mm lens? I mean that is still up in the air. If it was the 15 or the 25, isn't Patty like 4'7 or 8'4 or something like that? If it is the 20mm, then we can rest assured that Patty is in the 6'-6'3" height range? Of couse if Patty was 4'7 it would be hard for a human head to fit in the costume, but if it was 8'4 I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem.

People fit into gorilla suit heads all the time at around 6' why is Bill's analysis rejecting this?
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Originally Posted by Óšinn View Post
Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why? Debunking him has gotta be more interesting than slagging him, no?
Why don't you start? Set the tone and show how to go about debunking Munns.
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Is it possible Bill Munns knows who built the suit, and is just messing with the footers?
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Originally Posted by Óšinn View Post
Have fun with it, to be sure, but let's debunk the "too small for a human head theory". That's the crux of Bill's contention, after all. At what point does his theory fail, and why? Debunking him has gotta be more interesting than slagging him, no?
Visually patty's head is 1/6 of the body size. Problem : you do not know the body size. if it is over 2m, then a human even one measuring 1m90 (6'3'') would go well into patty. You don't need much levy after all the face is so bushy it could hide much. ETA : and as pointed out film at the epoch had gorilla costume people all the time.

IIRC anyway basically Munn proved nothing, he just took a litteral interpretation of a "old time football leather helmet" and run with it. Which tells you the amount of research Munn did.
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Is it possible Bill Munns knows who built the suit, and is just messing with the footers?
Or he just doesn't care, and is simply padding his retirement fund.
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IMO Bill knows Patty is bloke in a suit and he is scamming the 'footers.

To that point he seems to look for evidence of Patty being real that cannot be easily refuted, like the lens size, and now the head size. Meldrum snagged the best scam years ago and has been milking it evers since so Munns had to find something else; but the head size? Really Bill, that's the best you can come up with???

His analysis may impress a few die-hard 'footers but he knows it's total crap. He just wants TV time and therefore more money.
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He just wants TV time and therefore more money.
Don't forget the Academy Award he's gunning for.
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Don't forget the Academy Award he's gunning for.

Maybe if he reveals he made the suit, and tells the story behind it in the film.

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If he wins an Academy Award, he is going to kick himself for not going into film-making earlier in his career.
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Originally Posted by GT/CS View Post
IMO Bill knows Patty is bloke in a suit and he is scamming the 'footers.

To that point he seems to look for evidence of Patty being real that cannot be easily refuted, like the lens size, and now the head size. Meldrum snagged the best scam years ago and has been milking it evers since so Munns had to find something else; but the head size? Really Bill, that's the best you can come up with???

His analysis may impress a few die-hard 'footers but he knows it's total crap. He just wants TV time and therefore more money.
Hello all-
New kid around here as you can tell from my post count. I'm what you would call a "footer", although I'm not particularly fond of the designation, I've been called worse. I didn't start out that way, but have steadily moved over to the dark side. I started out as a skeptic, and through my research in the field, moved to a believer and am now a knower.

GT/CS-I was interested in hearing why you think that Mr. Munns believes what you posted? I've tried to read just about everything he has written and I cannot recall ever seeing anything to indicate that is what he believes. He doesn't claim that Sasquatch exists, but in his latest breakdown at the Texas Bigfoot Conference, he does state that PGF is not a man in a costume.

I don't believe I'm allowed to post links yet, so you will have to look it up, but someone posted a link in another thread, but cannot seem to locate it.

Good stuff. Thanks
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Have you read everything he's written on this site?

Munns has never said he believes in sasquatch but he says Patty is not a bloke in a suit?

What does he think she is if not a bigfoot?
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Have you read everything he's written on this site?

Munns has never said he believes in sasquatch but he says Patty is not a bloke in a suit?

What does he think she is if not a bigfoot?
Swamp gas.
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Hello all-
New kid around here as you can tell from my post count. I'm what you would call a "footer", although I'm not particularly fond of the designation, I've been called worse. I didn't start out that way, but have steadily moved over to the dark side. I started out as a skeptic, and through my research in the field, moved to a believer and am now a knower.
Apologies in advance if this is considered off-topic.

How are you a knower of bigfoot? I assume this to mean that you have seen one, correct?
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Apologies in advance if this is considered off-topic.

How are you a knower of bigfoot? I assume this to mean that you have seen one, correct?
Light up the campfire.
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Have you read everything he's written on this site?

Munns has never said he believes in sasquatch but he says Patty is not a bloke in a suit?

What does he think she is if not a bigfoot?
No, I can't say I've read everything on this site. Some of it, but I'm sure there are posts I've missed.

Regarding his stance, your thoughts are pretty much in line with mine. He gives himself an out by not taking a position and proclaiming they exist. He says "I don't know what it is, but it isn't a man in a suit". I don't know why he won't jump the shark, but there really isn't any other logical conclusion.

I do think his analysis is quite good and as you stated before, us footers do hold it up as a shining star. His explanations make sense to me and although I'm not the sharpest knife on the tree, I like what he is saying.

I'm heading out to the field this weekend in search for the big guy, so I'll let you know if anything fun happens.

Take care.
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He has said he believed in Bigfoot long before he came to any Bigfoot forum as 'Bill Munns'
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I'm heading out to the field this weekend in search for the big guy, so I'll let you know if anything fun happens.
The woods are beautiful enough without imaginary additions to your trip. Try going in the woods and looking for real things, maybe a bigfoot will show up.
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Apologies in advance if this is considered off-topic.

How are you a knower of bigfoot? I assume this to mean that you have seen one, correct?
Yes, I have through a thermal at about 20 feet back in 2009.

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The woods are beautiful enough without imaginary additions to your trip. Try going in the woods and looking for real things, maybe a bigfoot will show up.
Nothing does happen the vast majority of the time. I have to constantly tell myself that just because a twig snaps, it isn't a squatch doing it. I do want encounters, but they are exceedingly rare and so I just keep trying.

It's pretty harmless and I enjoy it, so I will keep going. My wife thinks I'm nuts, but she puts up with it.
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Yes, I have through a thermal at about 20 feet back in 2009.
Got into the bigfoot thermal thing early huh?

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Nothing does happen the vast majority of the time. I have to constantly tell myself that just because a twig snaps, it isn't a squatch doing it. I do want encounters, but they are exceedingly rare and so I just keep trying.
In what neck of the woods might this be? Just in general terms.
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Got into the bigfoot thermal thing early huh?



In what neck of the woods might this be? Just in general terms.
My thermal was during a BFRO expedition (tale for another thread).

Northern Minnesota is where I've had the most luck. Heading up on Thursday for the weekend for some primitive camping and squatching with a group of friends.
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Neat. Can get within 20 feet of one, but still can't actually find one.

It does follow the general pattern, though.
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How does a skeptic end up on a BFRO expedition and falling for a "thermal" as proof of bigfoot? Oh, and did you use a Zagnut to get the squatch to approach within 20'? They gotta have their Zagnuts!
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That is not a skeptic. He is here from BFF.
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How does a skeptic end up on a BFRO expedition and falling for a "thermal" as proof of bigfoot? Oh, and did you use a Zagnut to get the squatch to approach within 20'? They gotta have their Zagnuts!
And a can of beans with a screwdriver to open them with.
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Neat. Can get within 20 feet of one, but still can't actually find one.

It does follow the general pattern, though.
At twenty paces, you could shoot it with:

A high-def camera

A rifle

A tranq gun

A net gun.

You could also set loose a pack of hounds like some do when they run cougar, or bear, or pigs, or deer in some states. But they don't. Instead we get a multi-colored indistinct thermal image. If I didn't know better, I'd say someone was trying to pull a fast one.
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You could also set loose a pack of hounds like some do when they run cougar, or bear, or pigs, or deer in some states. But they don't. .
And humans, dogs track down humans, but not Bigfoot, they is ascared of the Bigfoots. It was a smart cookie who came up with that one, "dogs is afraid of Bigfoots."

Probably Patterson, he knew he would get asked, 'why don't you just set the hounds after it.'

'Well there ain't no dog in the world that can overcome his natural fear of Bigfoots, we already tried that.'
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And humans, dogs track down humans, but not Bigfoot, they is ascared of the Bigfoots. It was a smart cookie who came up with that one, "dogs is afraid of Bigfoots."

Probably Patterson, he knew he would get asked, 'why don't you just set the hounds after it.'

'Well there ain't no dog in the world that can overcome his natural fear of Bigfoots, we already tried that.'
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So dogs have no fear of bears, or humans, but they instinctively fear footie? And bigfoot enthusiasts buy this?

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