Why is Biden so disliked?

TubbaBlubba · 14th October 2012, 01:48 PM

I don't really get why. OK, he seems to make a lot of gaffes, and that's bad for a public figure. But does he have like, any strongly disagreeable positions or something?

Some seem to consider him a Democratic Sarah Palin, but I've never seen any of the bizarre disconnection from reality that she embodied in Biden.

So, educate me.

Alferd_Packer · 14th October 2012, 01:54 PM

He's a Democrat and Republicans hate all democrats with the white hot passion of a thousand suns.

Or something like that.

Tricky · 14th October 2012, 01:56 PM

Although you are right that Biden is not nearly as brainless as Sarah Palin, the dislike is still a payback for the Dems (and most of the world) making fun of Palin's stupidity. It is an ongoing tu quoque that has little to do with Biden's positions or intelligence, and everything to do with the need to find a foil that the Reps can laugh at. It works with extreme partisans, but most folks agree that Biden, at the very least, came out even with Ryan in the debate, and that was against the guy who is supposed to be one of the smartest men in the GOP.

R.Mackey · 14th October 2012, 02:09 PM

He was kind of a schmuck back in the 80's. However I think he matured into a more reasonable legislator, albeit one with a tendency to go all loose cannon once in a while.

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thaiboxerken · 14th October 2012, 02:14 PM

He was a blue collar guy and speaks with blue collar terms and passion. Republicans really only pay attention to aristocrats and think everyone else is a "taker."

logger · 14th October 2012, 03:42 PM

If you don't think Biden is a schmuck, what does it say about you?

Alferd_Packer · 14th October 2012, 03:43 PM

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/01/biden.html

Quote:

On September 5th of 1994, eager to pose a question, 8th-grade student Branden Brooks found himself raising his hand during the Q&A session of a presentation by then-Senator Joe Biden. After the event, having noticed the young man's stutter as he spoke, Biden pulled him to one side:
Sen. Biden told me that he used to stutter as a kid but never let it interfere with his life goals. In fact, Sen. Biden added that he would purposely seek public speaking opportunities (such as acting in plays) to force himself to speak in public.
A week later, Branden received the following letter. Immediately acting on Biden's advice, he successfully ran for class president and held the position throughout high-school and college. Since graduating, he has worked in Delaware as a prosecutor.

shemp · 14th October 2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

He was a blue collar guy and speaks with blue collar terms and passion. Republicans really only pay attention to aristocrats and think everyone else is a "taker."

Partly this. He's also one of the few politicians who isn't a stuffed shirt, and who seems to genuinely give a crap about people other than himself.

fuelair · 14th October 2012, 04:11 PM

I do not think Biden is either a schmuck or a fool. I suspect he is, if you are one, a very dangerous person to mess with.

Olowkow · 14th October 2012, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by logger

If you don't think Biden is a schmuck, what does it say about you?

That I'm a human being with a sense of humor who can recognize a genuine person?

Originally Posted by shemp

Partly this. He's also one of the few politicians who isn't a stuffed shirt, and who seems to genuinely give a crap about people other than himself.

He has always helped me maintain my dwindling hope that there are decent politicians.

dropzone · 14th October 2012, 04:17 PM

Alferd_Packer, you voracious Democrat-eater, you done brought a tear to my eye with that.

Cain · 14th October 2012, 04:18 PM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b5_1219507341

I think this is the year he also plagiarized part of a speech.

So, that's what to dislike. On the like front there was his classic advice to Obama pre-debate to "rub one out," and then the fact that washes his Trans-Am on the White House lawn.

applecorped · 14th October 2012, 05:45 PM

“I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do I suspect. I went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-...3#.UHtcfFQzLhU

thaiboxerken · 14th October 2012, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

“I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do I suspect. I went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-...3#.UHtcfFQzLhU

I like it! He has a back bone.

eeyore1954 · 14th October 2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I like it! He has a back bone.

You like that he apparently lied on these points.

eeyore1954 · 14th October 2012, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

Partly this. He's also one of the few politicians who isn't a stuffed shirt, and who seems to genuinely give a crap about people other than himself.

He is willing to care about other people as long as he doesn't have to give much of his own money. Look at his schedule a charitable deductions.

Brainster · 14th October 2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I like it! He has a back bone.

He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many.

Bob001 · 14th October 2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

I don't really get why. OK, he seems to make a lot of gaffes, and that's bad for a public figure. But does he have like, any strongly disagreeable positions or something?

Some seem to consider him a Democratic Sarah Palin, but I've never seen any of the bizarre disconnection from reality that she embodied in Biden.

So, educate me.

Biden was elected to the U.S. Senate seven times, the first time in 1970 when he was 30 years old. As a member and sometime chairman of the Judiciary Committee he was actively involved in law enforcement issues, and he presided over the Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. He was also a member and sometime chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, and was active in diplomatic and foreign policy issues. Sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain, and he has been known to embellish his stories, but he has a long record of substantial legislative accomplishment. He also set an extraordinary example of surviving loss when his first wife and baby daughter were killed and his two young sons were badly injured in a traffic accident weeks after his first election. He managed to move forward with his life. Most days he rode the train to Washington from Delaware and returned home at night to be with his sons. He's nowhere close to a perfect guy, but as politicians go he's one of the good ones. And I've never heard of anybody calling him a "Democratic Sarah Palin."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

daredelvis · 14th October 2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many.

Am I supposed to just take your word for that, or do you have a link to some weak ass pajamas media or hotair blog as "evidence" for your claim??

Daredelvis

eeyore1954 · 14th October 2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by daredelvis

Am I supposed to just take your word for that, or do you have a link to some weak ass pajamas media or hotair blog as "evidence" for your claim??

Daredelvis

Did you follow the link?
Here is a different one from the LA Times
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-09-...4_1_law-school

daredelvis · 14th October 2012, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

Did you follow the link?
Here is a different one from the LA Times
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-09-...4_1_law-school

Gahh,,, I thought Brainster was referring to the recent debate. Watched the tape, and read your link. Biden was a prick in that exchange. I tend to take any unsourced claim by Brainster with a massive grain of salt.

Daredelvis

thaiboxerken · 14th October 2012, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

You like that he apparently lied on these points.

Which of those points have anything to do with policy? How long ago was it? Does Biden still tell lies like this? Did Biden ever lie about a marathon time?

SezMe · 14th October 2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

He is willing to care about other people as long as he doesn't have to give much of his own money. Look at his schedule a charitable deductions.

While you're there, look at his (and Jill's) total income. Pretty low for a man with his power. Years (decades?) ago he could have gone private or gone lobbyist and made millions. He's stay in service to his country. In that light I don't much care about his Schedule A.

mikedenk · 15th October 2012, 03:23 AM

I give a lot of credit to Biden on his political instincts.

After all, if you're going to be a racist, plagiarizing, lying, obnoxious clown, it behooves you to join the party where you won't be held accountable.

As to the OP's question: I don't think he's all that disliked, my above comments notwithstanding. YMMV of course. Compared to the loathing directed towards Obama (or Bush/Cheney/Clinton(s)/Gore/Romney/Palin), he's practically ignored.

Halfcentaur · 15th October 2012, 03:31 AM

People are dumb. They are trapped living in the now, warping the memories of their past and unable to realistically plan for the future. It seems it doesn't matter what you have done or said in the past anymore as long as you say what you need to in the present.

We're an animal imprisoned in a bubble of confirmation bias which is robbing us of clarity and truth.

I've got what's needed to change all of this, if you send me three payments of 19.99 plus shipping.

eeyore1954 · 15th October 2012, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

While you're there, look at his (and Jill's) total income. Pretty low for a man with his power. Years (decades?) ago he could have gone private or gone lobbyist and made millions. He's stay in service to his country. In that light I don't much care about his Schedule A.

I do agree with you on that point. Many other politicians even those who have not taken lucrative jobs based upon their position are somehow able to amass great personal wealth just by being Senators and Representatives.

But it still doesn't answer for me why he is not willing to give more of his personal money to help others if he is so interested in the plight of the poor, homeless etc.

eeyore1954 · 15th October 2012, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken
I like it! He has a back bone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eeyore1954
You like that he apparently lied on these points.

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Which of those points have anything to do with policy? How long ago was it? Does Biden still tell lies like this? Did Biden ever lie about a marathon time?

How do any of these address whether or not you like that he lied on those points? Or your apparent belief that lying is a sign of a backbone.

eeyore1954 · 15th October 2012, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by mikedenk

As to the OP's question: I don't think he's all that disliked, my above comments notwithstanding. YMMV of course. Compared to the loathing directed towards Obama (or Bush/Cheney/Clinton(s)/Gore/Romney/Palin), he's practically ignored.

I agree with the above comment also. I have not seen much of people disliking him. Making fun of misstatements yes. But in reality almost all politicians make a lot of gaffs.

IDB87 · 15th October 2012, 06:42 AM

He makes gaffes, and the Right sees that as a weakness and of course pounces on it. It's a lot easier to attack a person who misspeaks than it is to go after their policies.

Monketi Ghost · 15th October 2012, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/01/biden.html

Thumbs up!

WildCat · 15th October 2012, 06:51 AM

Am I the only one who dislikes Biden for his "questions" of Presidential cabinet/court nominees which consisted of a long soliloquy followed by a "have you stopped beating your wife" type of question?

Tricky · 15th October 2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many.

Really? According to Politifact:

Biden - 1 True, 2 Half True, 1 Mostly False
Ryan - 1 Mostly True, 2 Mostly False, 1 False

It looks to me like Biden was much more truthful than Ryan.

Lying about lying is so meta.

Foolmewunz · 15th October 2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Am I the only one who dislikes Biden for his "questions" of Presidential cabinet/court nominees which consisted of a long soliloquy followed by a "have you stopped beating your wife" type of question?

Not by a longshot. Rush agrees with you, as does Robert Bork, I'm sure.

As to the OP:

He's this week's flavor. The media, both news and entertainment, pretty much goes for the lowest common denominator. Lyndon Johnson was a Central Texas Hick, Gerald for was really Clumsy Carp, Dan Quayle was an idiot, Howard Dean was a raving lunatic, Al Gore was stiff as a board, Romney was gaff-prone and insensitive and this week, Biden's Mrs. Malaprop.

Leno, Letterman, O'Brian, SNL, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox (yes, even Fox, hard as that may seem) all fall into the pattern.

TragicMonkey · 15th October 2012, 07:38 AM

Biden's disliked because he replaced a longrunning, popular, beloved character who moved on. But its wrong to judge him for not being Angel, it's not his fault he had bad writing. I think that ultimately, as Buffy herself realized too late, that Biden was a better match for her than Angel. (Had she known that Angel would hook up with Cordelia she would have realized it sooner.)

DavidJames · 15th October 2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

But it still doesn't answer for me why he is not willing to give more of his personal money to help others if he is so interested in the plight of the poor, homeless etc.

Very nice, eeyore1954 gets to decide what's the appropriate clip level for how much someone must give before they claim to care for others. What a smug ******* you are.

Tiktaalik · 15th October 2012, 09:29 AM

I used to not like him, primarily because I thought he was a blustering loudmouth who said stupid stuff.

I've changed my mind. I kinda love him now. In fact, I wish more Democrats were like him. He has guts, he doesn't back down, he's got a sense of humor, he's obviously smart, and it appears to me he believes what he's saying.

BenBurch · 15th October 2012, 09:54 AM

He's not Sarah Palin. That's why.

sir drinks-a-lot · 15th October 2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by daredelvis

Am I supposed to just take your word for that, or do you have a link to some weak ass pajamas media or hotair blog as "evidence" for your claim??

Daredelvis

This is a pretty amazing level of fallacy, even for this forum. Sort of a pre-emptive poisoning of the well would be my best guess at what to call it.

Well played, Daredelvis. You should get some sort of award.

Tricky · 15th October 2012, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by daredelvis

Am I supposed to just take your word for that, or do you have a link to some weak ass pajamas media or hotair blog as "evidence" for your claim??

Daredelvis

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

This is a pretty amazing level of fallacy, even for this forum. Sort of a pre-emptive poisoning of the well would be my best guess at what to call it.

Well played, Daredelvis. You should get some sort of award.

There's one easy way to beat that fallacy. Provide a link to a reputable source. I've already provided one link to Politifact, which is a Pulitzer Prize-winning source, showing that Brainster's claim is more than a little bit questionable.

So what about you, S-D-A-L? You got anything to bring to the table?

Brainster · 15th October 2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

There's one easy way to beat that fallacy. Provide a link to a reputable source. I've already provided one link to Politifact, which is a Pulitzer Prize-winning source, showing that Brainster's claim is more than a little bit questionable.

Perhaps you should look deeper into Brainster's claim to see what precisely he was claiming before you put up a scorecard.

14th October 2012, 01:48 PM	#1
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,901	Why is Biden so disliked? I don't really get why. OK, he seems to make a lot of gaffes, and that's bad for a public figure. But does he have like, any strongly disagreeable positions or something? Some seem to consider him a Democratic Sarah Palin, but I've never seen any of the bizarre disconnection from reality that she embodied in Biden. So, educate me.
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14th October 2012, 01:54 PM	#2
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14th October 2012, 02:09 PM	#4
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7,854	He was kind of a schmuck back in the 80's. However I think he matured into a more reasonable legislator, albeit one with a tendency to go all loose cannon once in a while. "Of course I'm respectable, I'm old. Ugly buildings, politicians, and whores all get respectable, if they last long enough." (John Huston in Chinatown)
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14th October 2012, 02:14 PM	#5
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,705	He was a blue collar guy and speaks with blue collar terms and passion. Republicans really only pay attention to aristocrats and think everyone else is a "taker."
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14th October 2012, 03:42 PM	#6
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14th October 2012, 01:56 PM	#3
Tricky Briefly immortal Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W Bench Posts: 44,381	Although you are right that Biden is not nearly as brainless as Sarah Palin, the dislike is still a payback for the Dems (and most of the world) making fun of Palin's stupidity. It is an ongoing tu quoque that has little to do with Biden's positions or intelligence, and everything to do with the need to find a foil that the Reps can laugh at. It works with extreme partisans, but most folks agree that Biden, at the very least, came out even with Ryan in the debate, and that was against the guy who is supposed to be one of the smartest men in the GOP.

14th October 2012, 04:09 PM	#8
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 40,181	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken He was a blue collar guy and speaks with blue collar terms and passion. Republicans really only pay attention to aristocrats and think everyone else is a "taker." Partly this. He's also one of the few politicians who isn't a stuffed shirt, and who seems to genuinely give a crap about people other than himself.
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14th October 2012, 04:11 PM	#9
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	I do not think Biden is either a schmuck or a fool. I suspect he is, if you are one, a very dangerous person to mess with.
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14th October 2012, 04:17 PM	#10
Olowkow Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,230	Originally Posted by logger If you don't think Biden is a schmuck, what does it say about you? That I'm a human being with a sense of humor who can recognize a genuine person? Originally Posted by shemp Partly this. He's also one of the few politicians who isn't a stuffed shirt, and who seems to genuinely give a crap about people other than himself. He has always helped me maintain my dwindling hope that there are decent politicians.
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14th October 2012, 04:17 PM	#11
dropzone Master Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,032	Alferd_Packer, you voracious Democrat-eater, you done brought a tear to my eye with that.
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14th October 2012, 04:18 PM	#12
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,275	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b5_1219507341 I think this is the year he also plagiarized part of a speech. So, that's what to dislike. On the like front there was his classic advice to Obama pre-debate to "rub one out," and then the fact that washes his Trans-Am on the White House lawn.
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14th October 2012, 06:13 PM	#14
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,705	Originally Posted by applecorped “I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do I suspect. I went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.” http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-...3#.UHtcfFQzLhU I like it! He has a back bone.
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14th October 2012, 07:17 PM	#15
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I like it! He has a back bone. You like that he apparently lied on these points.
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14th October 2012, 07:23 PM	#16
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	Originally Posted by shemp Partly this. He's also one of the few politicians who isn't a stuffed shirt, and who seems to genuinely give a crap about people other than himself. He is willing to care about other people as long as he doesn't have to give much of his own money. Look at his schedule a charitable deductions.
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14th October 2012, 07:46 PM	#17
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,274	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I like it! He has a back bone. He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many.
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14th October 2012, 08:13 PM	#18
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,607	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba I don't really get why. OK, he seems to make a lot of gaffes, and that's bad for a public figure. But does he have like, any strongly disagreeable positions or something? Some seem to consider him a Democratic Sarah Palin, but I've never seen any of the bizarre disconnection from reality that she embodied in Biden. So, educate me. Biden was elected to the U.S. Senate seven times, the first time in 1970 when he was 30 years old. As a member and sometime chairman of the Judiciary Committee he was actively involved in law enforcement issues, and he presided over the Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. He was also a member and sometime chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, and was active in diplomatic and foreign policy issues. Sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain, and he has been known to embellish his stories, but he has a long record of substantial legislative accomplishment. He also set an extraordinary example of surviving loss when his first wife and baby daughter were killed and his two young sons were badly injured in a traffic accident weeks after his first election. He managed to move forward with his life. Most days he rode the train to Washington from Delaware and returned home at night to be with his sons. He's nowhere close to a perfect guy, but as politicians go he's one of the good ones. And I've never heard of anybody calling him a "Democratic Sarah Palin." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

14th October 2012, 08:44 PM	#19
daredelvis Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,217	Originally Posted by Brainster He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many. Am I supposed to just take your word for that, or do you have a link to some weak ass pajamas media or hotair blog as "evidence" for your claim?? Daredelvis
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14th October 2012, 08:53 PM	#20
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	Originally Posted by daredelvis Am I supposed to just take your word for that, or do you have a link to some weak ass pajamas media or hotair blog as "evidence" for your claim?? Daredelvis Did you follow the link? Here is a different one from the LA Times http://articles.latimes.com/1987-09-...4_1_law-school
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14th October 2012, 09:02 PM	#21
daredelvis Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,217	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 Did you follow the link? Here is a different one from the LA Times http://articles.latimes.com/1987-09-...4_1_law-school Gahh,,, I thought Brainster was referring to the recent debate. Watched the tape, and read your link. Biden was a prick in that exchange. I tend to take any unsourced claim by Brainster with a massive grain of salt. Daredelvis
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14th October 2012, 09:51 PM	#22
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,705	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 You like that he apparently lied on these points. Which of those points have anything to do with policy? How long ago was it? Does Biden still tell lies like this? Did Biden ever lie about a marathon time?
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14th October 2012, 09:59 PM	#23
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 24,962	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 He is willing to care about other people as long as he doesn't have to give much of his own money. Look at his schedule a charitable deductions. While you're there, look at his (and Jill's) total income. Pretty low for a man with his power. Years (decades?) ago he could have gone private or gone lobbyist and made millions. He's stay in service to his country. In that light I don't much care about his Schedule A.

15th October 2012, 03:23 AM	#24
mikedenk Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,029	I give a lot of credit to Biden on his political instincts. After all, if you're going to be a racist, plagiarizing, lying, obnoxious clown, it behooves you to join the party where you won't be held accountable. As to the OP's question: I don't think he's all that disliked, my above comments notwithstanding. YMMV of course. Compared to the loathing directed towards Obama (or Bush/Cheney/Clinton(s)/Gore/Romney/Palin), he's practically ignored.

15th October 2012, 03:31 AM	#25
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15th October 2012, 06:20 AM	#26
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	Originally Posted by SezMe While you're there, look at his (and Jill's) total income. Pretty low for a man with his power. Years (decades?) ago he could have gone private or gone lobbyist and made millions. He's stay in service to his country. In that light I don't much care about his Schedule A. I do agree with you on that point. Many other politicians even those who have not taken lucrative jobs based upon their position are somehow able to amass great personal wealth just by being Senators and Representatives. But it still doesn't answer for me why he is not willing to give more of his personal money to help others if he is so interested in the plight of the poor, homeless etc.
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15th October 2012, 06:36 AM	#27
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	Quote: Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I like it! He has a back bone. Quote: Originally Posted by eeyore1954 You like that he apparently lied on these points. Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Which of those points have anything to do with policy? How long ago was it? Does Biden still tell lies like this? Did Biden ever lie about a marathon time? How do any of these address whether or not you like that he lied on those points? Or your apparent belief that lying is a sign of a backbone.
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15th October 2012, 06:39 AM	#28
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	Originally Posted by mikedenk As to the OP's question: I don't think he's all that disliked, my above comments notwithstanding. YMMV of course. Compared to the loathing directed towards Obama (or Bush/Cheney/Clinton(s)/Gore/Romney/Palin), he's practically ignored. I agree with the above comment also. I have not seen much of people disliking him. Making fun of misstatements yes. But in reality almost all politicians make a lot of gaffs.
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15th October 2012, 06:42 AM	#29
IDB87 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,022	He makes gaffes, and the Right sees that as a weakness and of course pounces on it. It's a lot easier to attack a person who misspeaks than it is to go after their policies.
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15th October 2012, 06:43 AM	#30
Monketi Ghost Confusion Reactor Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 25,141	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/01/biden.html Thumbs up!

15th October 2012, 06:51 AM	#31
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 59,856	Am I the only one who dislikes Biden for his "questions" of Presidential cabinet/court nominees which consisted of a long soliloquy followed by a "have you stopped beating your wife" type of question?

15th October 2012, 07:22 AM	#32
Tricky Briefly immortal Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W Bench Posts: 44,381	Originally Posted by Brainster He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many. Really? According to Politifact: Biden - 1 True, 2 Half True, 1 Mostly False Ryan - 1 Mostly True, 2 Mostly False, 1 False It looks to me like Biden was much more truthful than Ryan. Lying about lying is so meta.
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15th October 2012, 07:25 AM	#33
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by WildCat Am I the only one who dislikes Biden for his "questions" of Presidential cabinet/court nominees which consisted of a long soliloquy followed by a "have you stopped beating your wife" type of question? Not by a longshot. Rush agrees with you, as does Robert Bork, I'm sure. As to the OP: He's this week's flavor. The media, both news and entertainment, pretty much goes for the lowest common denominator. Lyndon Johnson was a Central Texas Hick, Gerald for was really Clumsy Carp, Dan Quayle was an idiot, Howard Dean was a raving lunatic, Al Gore was stiff as a board, Romney was gaff-prone and insensitive and this week, Biden's Mrs. Malaprop. Leno, Letterman, O'Brian, SNL, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox (yes, even Fox, hard as that may seem) all fall into the pattern.
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15th October 2012, 07:38 AM	#34
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,417	Biden's disliked because he replaced a longrunning, popular, beloved character who moved on. But its wrong to judge him for not being Angel, it's not his fault he had bad writing. I think that ultimately, as Buffy herself realized too late, that Biden was a better match for her than Angel. (Had she known that Angel would hook up with Cordelia she would have realized it sooner.)
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15th October 2012, 07:45 AM	#35
DavidJames Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 10,493	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 But it still doesn't answer for me why he is not willing to give more of his personal money to help others if he is so interested in the plight of the poor, homeless etc. Very nice, eeyore1954 gets to decide what's the appropriate clip level for how much someone must give before they claim to care for others. What a smug ******* you are.
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15th October 2012, 09:29 AM	#36
Tiktaalik Half True Scotsperson Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,666	I used to not like him, primarily because I thought he was a blustering loudmouth who said stupid stuff. I've changed my mind. I kinda love him now. In fact, I wish more Democrats were like him. He has guts, he doesn't back down, he's got a sense of humor, he's obviously smart, and it appears to me he believes what he's saying.