All things Trump + Russia Part 4 - Page 8

Stacko · 26th July 2018, 05:28 PM

Another coincidence I'm sure.

Claire McCaskill was targetted by Russian hackers shortly after Trump encouraged folks to vote her out

Stacko · 26th July 2018, 06:11 PM

So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt.

Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.

Aridas · 26th July 2018, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Le gasp.

Documents reviewed by The AP show that Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who met with Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort in June 2016, worked more closely with Russian government officials than she previously let on.

I'm shocked, I say! Shocked!

Originally Posted by Stacko

So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt.

Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.

My poor heart, why must you keep shocking it so very much! All these things are such a huge surprise! No one could have seen them coming!

Stacyhs · 26th July 2018, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt.

Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.

Only a fool thinks Donnie Jr. (or Eric) farted without his father's permission. Of course he knew about it. Only a fool thinks that the sons don't consult their father about the business, either. Trump knows everything that goes on in his company. He's a controller.

Upchurch · 26th July 2018, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Another coincidence I'm sure.

Claire McCaskill was targetted by Russian hackers shortly after Trump encouraged folks to vote her out

This is local news for me. Didn't Trump say, just this week, that the Russians want Democrats to win?

Tell me again how the Republicans aren't in bed with the Russians?

Squeegee Beckenheim · 27th July 2018, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.

AIUI, his defence was to say that Cohen has lied for decades and therefore cannot be trusted. That Cohen lied as part of his job as Trump's lawyer is something he skipped over.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 27th July 2018, 01:06 AM

The most significant thing about the latest Cohen news, as far as I'm concerned isn't that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because of course he did, it's that he's saying that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting. Another bit of evidence that he is about to flip or has already flipped.

WilliamSeger · 27th July 2018, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

The most significant thing about the latest Cohen news, as far as I'm concerned isn't that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because of course he did, it's that he's saying that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting. Another bit of evidence that he is about to flip or has already flipped.

And we haven't even gotten to Papadopoulos yet, or the charges that will be almost certainly be brought against Carter Page. I'll "boldly" predict that we'll have confirmation that Trump knew exactly what the witches were brewing.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 27th July 2018, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

And we haven't even gotten to Papadopoulos yet, or the charges that will be almost certainly be brought against Carter Page. I'll "boldly" predict that we'll have confirmation that Trump knew exactly what the witches were brewing.

Manafort will be the most interesting if he flips, because he's the one that Trump has allegedly said he's the most worried about.

WilliamSeger · 27th July 2018, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Manafort will be the most interesting if he flips, because he's the one that Trump has allegedly said he's the most worried about.

Yes, and if that trial connects money laundering with Trump incessantly kissing Putin's ass, it won't matter if Manafort flips. People go to prison based on circumstantial evidence every day.

Beelzebuddy · 27th July 2018, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

People go to prison based on circumstantial evidence every day.

Poor people, yes. Rich people play by a different set of rules. If Trump and his associates had merely been stealing money from a 7-11, his ass would have been in jail for witness tampering the moment he said "that Russia thing."

eeyore1954 · 27th July 2018, 06:23 AM

When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.

beren · 27th July 2018, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.

When someone hires a sleazy lawyer for many years, don't be surprised when they turn out to be corrupt.

Fast Eddie B · 27th July 2018, 09:19 AM

Squeegee Beckenheim · 27th July 2018, 10:40 AM

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...29966910742529

Quote:

Breaking: Russian President Putin says he is ready to go to Washington and has invited President Trump to Moscow under “necessary conditions.”

Segnosaur · 27th July 2018, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

(Picture of 2 "Russian" guards guarding Trump's star on walk of fame)

Brilliant! Although not quite as good as the one who actually built a tiny little wall around it.

That's what we need... more mockery of Trump, less of the petty destructive stuff. We don't need an excuse for the Trump base to point to his critics and say "look how bad they are... breaking the law".

Segnosaur · 27th July 2018, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...29966910742529

Breaking: Russian President Putin says he is ready to go to Washington...

Aren't landlords supposed to give more of a warning before they enter property that they own?

Fast Eddie B · 27th July 2018, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

That's what we need... more mockery of Trump, less of the petty destructive stuff.

On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting.

But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.

Aridas · 27th July 2018, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting.

Oh, her yacht was vandalized? Can't say that I find that disgusting so much as petty and counterproductive, myself.

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.

Indeed. That's a much better form of protest.

Stacyhs · 27th July 2018, 11:38 AM

Vandalizing takes no creativity or intelligence. Even those who despise DeVoss would largely disapprove of it and it would not get the response desired. Building a tiny wall around Trump's star and placing "Russian" guards there gets the desired response.

Aridas · 27th July 2018, 11:39 AM

A couple stories from the Daily Kos of some relevance to the thread -

FEC complaint: company laundered Ukrainian money to give to Trump-allied super-PAC

Putin sics his Night Wolves on NATO allies. Trump does nothing. Republicans cower.

Putin invites Trump to Moscow after turning down trip to DC—and Trump says he's going

Minoosh · 27th July 2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.

When you need a sleazy lawyer you are a sleaze, IMO. I could be wrong; if you have an argument against that bit of logic I'd like to hear it.

It sounds to me like you're saying Trump is sleazy. And maybe that's OK with you; you may have other reasons to support him. But are you saying he's a sleazy human being? Does it occur to you that he could be conning his voters on a massive scale?

Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.

LSSBB · 27th July 2018, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

When you need a sleazy lawyer you are a sleaze, IMO. I could be wrong; if you have an argument against that bit of logic I'd like to hear it.

It sounds to me like you're saying Trump is sleazy. And maybe that's OK with you; you may have other reasons to support him. But are you saying he's a sleazy human being? Does it occur to you that he could be conning his voters on a massive scale?

Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.

Pence would be a much better choice for anti-abortion folks. Plus he'd piss off Libs just as much, especially on gay rights.

Stacko · 27th July 2018, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.

It seems like the sunk cost fallacy being applied to politics: He's already president so let's ride it out.

LSSBB · 27th July 2018, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

It seems like the sunk cost fallacy being applied to politics: He's already president so let's ride it out.

No, more like the cult of personality. Trump didn't get to pretend to be a successful, forceful business leader on TV for nothing.

acbytesla · 27th July 2018, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Pence would be a much better choice for anti-abortion folks. Plus he'd piss off Libs just as much, especially on gay rights.

I can't think of many people I would hate more as President as Pence. But Trump is definitely on the list.

Bob001 · 27th July 2018, 02:39 PM

Journalist and Trump biographer talks about Trump:

Quote:

“We know the Russians have been courting Donald, spending money on him and putting money in his pocket for more than 30 years,” he said. “Donald’s son, one of his sons, has said they were getting lots of money from Russians, and he’d been deeply involved with deals… with Russian gangsters.”

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/27/tru...rumps_partner/

acbytesla · 27th July 2018, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting.

But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.

While I hardly approve of vandalism, I'm not shedding crocodile tears about one of many of Betsy Devoss's many yachts. Also, it's very possible, that it wasn't vandalized at all. It's a 40 million dollar yacht that sustained less than $10,000 in damages.

Aridas · 27th July 2018, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

While I hardly approve of vandalism, I'm not shedding crocodile tears about one of many of Betsy Devoss's many yachts. Also, it's very possible, that it wasn't vandalized at all. It's a 40 million dollar yacht that sustained less than $10,000 in damages.

Ehh, I figured that it was probably just something like spray paint, as it was. Cheap, relatively easy to do, and get away clean from.

Fast Eddie B · 27th July 2018, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

Ehh, I figured that it was probably just something like spray paint, as it was. Cheap, relatively easy to do, and get away clean from.

The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.

Beelzebuddy · 27th July 2018, 04:41 PM

Someone untied it and it scraped against the dock. The DeVoss family will need to use one of their other 9 yachts while it gets repainted.

CapelDodger · 27th July 2018, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.

A subtle critique of the Trump Administration, no doubt.

Regnad Kcin · 27th July 2018, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.

Like sailor, like boat.

acbytesla · 27th July 2018, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.

It became untied from its mooring. That much is true. That it wasn't properly tied off is a possibility.

Stacko · 28th July 2018, 06:54 AM

It's almost like there are debts that need repaying:

Mnuchin says Treasury might lift sanctions on Oleg Deripaska’s aluminum company, even though the Russian oligarch was sanctioned just thrree months ago by the US to punish the Kremlin for meddling in the 2016 election. (my latest with @donnaborak)

pgwenthold · 28th July 2018, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/4...6b6b9cda_z.jpg

I'm guessing those are the same guys that were giving out the Russian flag at a Trump rally.

It's funny, though.

BrooklynBaby · 28th July 2018, 10:37 AM

Hillary was holding up a Russian fur hat at one of her speeches. Guess it was just to hot to wear it.

carrps · 28th July 2018, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by abaddon

. For an apropos example, the simple english phrase "out of sight, out of mind" was translate from english to russian and then from russian back to english. The result was the phrase "invisible lunatic". While that has a certain strange logic to it, clearly the idiom has literally been lost in translation.

And don't ask for a reference. That one dates back to the '90s so no hope of that.

I actually heard that one in the 70s. For some reason, my brain is connecting it with a Michael Frayn novel "Tin Men."

Edit: and the phrase "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" was translated as "the whiskey is strong, but the meat is underdone."

Squeegee Beckenheim · 28th July 2018, 10:55 AM

I love how quickly and easily some have been manipulated into claiming that the Russians were actively helping Clinton win. I mean, it wasn't even a fortnight ago that Putin himself clearly and unequivocally said that he wanted Trump to win.

Stacyhs · 28th July 2018, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby

Hillary was holding up a Russian fur hat at one of her speeches. Guess it was just to hot to wear it.

She was keeping it out of Trump's reach when he mistook it for another furry object. He does tend to get grabby whenever anything furry gets near his little hands.

26th July 2018, 05:28 PM	#281
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,837	Another coincidence I'm sure. Claire McCaskill was targetted by Russian hackers shortly after Trump encouraged folks to vote her out

26th July 2018, 06:31 PM	#283
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,438	Originally Posted by Stacko Le gasp. Documents reviewed by The AP show that Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who met with Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort in June 2016, worked more closely with Russian government officials than she previously let on. I'm shocked, I say! Shocked! Originally Posted by Stacko So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt. Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic. My poor heart, why must you keep shocking it so very much! All these things are such a huge surprise! No one could have seen them coming!
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26th July 2018, 07:16 PM	#284
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,974	Originally Posted by Stacko So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt. Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic. Only a fool thinks Donnie Jr. (or Eric) farted without his father's permission. Of course he knew about it. Only a fool thinks that the sons don't consult their father about the business, either. Trump knows everything that goes on in his company. He's a controller.

26th July 2018, 07:27 PM	#285
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,373	Originally Posted by Stacko Another coincidence I'm sure. Claire McCaskill was targetted by Russian hackers shortly after Trump encouraged folks to vote her out This is local news for me. Didn't Trump say, just this week, that the Russians want Democrats to win? Tell me again how the Republicans aren't in bed with the Russians?
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27th July 2018, 01:04 AM	#286
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	Originally Posted by Stacko Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic. AIUI, his defence was to say that Cohen has lied for decades and therefore cannot be trusted. That Cohen lied as part of his job as Trump's lawyer is something he skipped over.
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26th July 2018, 06:11 PM	#282
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,837	So here's the news. Cohen says Trump knew in advance about Trump Tower meeting, was informed by Don Jr., signed off and looked forward to getting the dirt. Giuliani's galaxy brain explanation for this is going to be epic.

27th July 2018, 01:06 AM	#287
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	The most significant thing about the latest Cohen news, as far as I'm concerned isn't that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because of course he did, it's that he's saying that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting. Another bit of evidence that he is about to flip or has already flipped.
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27th July 2018, 01:30 AM	#288
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim The most significant thing about the latest Cohen news, as far as I'm concerned isn't that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because of course he did, it's that he's saying that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting. Another bit of evidence that he is about to flip or has already flipped. And we haven't even gotten to Papadopoulos yet, or the charges that will be almost certainly be brought against Carter Page. I'll "boldly" predict that we'll have confirmation that Trump knew exactly what the witches were brewing.
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27th July 2018, 01:43 AM	#289
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger And we haven't even gotten to Papadopoulos yet, or the charges that will be almost certainly be brought against Carter Page. I'll "boldly" predict that we'll have confirmation that Trump knew exactly what the witches were brewing. Manafort will be the most interesting if he flips, because he's the one that Trump has allegedly said he's the most worried about.
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27th July 2018, 02:15 AM	#290
WilliamSeger Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,092	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Manafort will be the most interesting if he flips, because he's the one that Trump has allegedly said he's the most worried about. Yes, and if that trial connects money laundering with Trump incessantly kissing Putin's ass, it won't matter if Manafort flips. People go to prison based on circumstantial evidence every day.

27th July 2018, 04:32 AM	#291
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,061	Originally Posted by WilliamSeger People go to prison based on circumstantial evidence every day. Poor people, yes. Rich people play by a different set of rules. If Trump and his associates had merely been stealing money from a 7-11, his ass would have been in jail for witness tampering the moment he said "that Russia thing."
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27th July 2018, 06:23 AM	#292
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,745	When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy.
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27th July 2018, 07:35 AM	#293
beren Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,245	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy. When someone hires a sleazy lawyer for many years, don't be surprised when they turn out to be corrupt.
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27th July 2018, 09:19 AM	#294
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27th July 2018, 10:40 AM	#295
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,237	https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...29966910742529 Quote: Breaking: Russian President Putin says he is ready to go to Washington and has invited President Trump to Moscow under “necessary conditions.”
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27th July 2018, 10:44 AM	#296
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,095	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B (Picture of 2 "Russian" guards guarding Trump's star on walk of fame) Brilliant! Although not quite as good as the one who actually built a tiny little wall around it. That's what we need... more mockery of Trump, less of the petty destructive stuff. We don't need an excuse for the Trump base to point to his critics and say "look how bad they are... breaking the law".
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27th July 2018, 10:45 AM	#297
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,095	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...29966910742529 Breaking: Russian President Putin says he is ready to go to Washington... Aren't landlords supposed to give more of a warning before they enter property that they own?
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27th July 2018, 10:48 AM	#298
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,729	Originally Posted by Segnosaur That's what we need... more mockery of Trump, less of the petty destructive stuff. On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting. But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever.

27th July 2018, 11:03 AM	#299
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,438	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting. Oh, her yacht was vandalized? Can't say that I find that disgusting so much as petty and counterproductive, myself. Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever. Indeed. That's a much better form of protest.
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27th July 2018, 11:38 AM	#300
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,974	Vandalizing takes no creativity or intelligence. Even those who despise DeVoss would largely disapprove of it and it would not get the response desired. Building a tiny wall around Trump's star and placing "Russian" guards there gets the desired response.

27th July 2018, 11:39 AM	#301
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,438	A couple stories from the Daily Kos of some relevance to the thread - FEC complaint: company laundered Ukrainian money to give to Trump-allied super-PAC Putin sics his Night Wolves on NATO allies. Trump does nothing. Republicans cower. Putin invites Trump to Moscow after turning down trip to DC—and Trump says he's going
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27th July 2018, 11:51 AM	#302
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,227	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 When you need a sleazy lawyer don't be surprised when he turns out to be sleazy. When you need a sleazy lawyer you are a sleaze, IMO. I could be wrong; if you have an argument against that bit of logic I'd like to hear it. It sounds to me like you're saying Trump is sleazy. And maybe that's OK with you; you may have other reasons to support him. But are you saying he's a sleazy human being? Does it occur to you that he could be conning his voters on a massive scale? Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump.

27th July 2018, 01:15 PM	#303
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by Minoosh When you need a sleazy lawyer you are a sleaze, IMO. I could be wrong; if you have an argument against that bit of logic I'd like to hear it. It sounds to me like you're saying Trump is sleazy. And maybe that's OK with you; you may have other reasons to support him. But are you saying he's a sleazy human being? Does it occur to you that he could be conning his voters on a massive scale? Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump. Pence would be a much better choice for anti-abortion folks. Plus he'd piss off Libs just as much, especially on gay rights.
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27th July 2018, 01:40 PM	#304
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,837	Originally Posted by Minoosh Even if you want no abortion rights, why Trump? Pence would fit your agenda quite well, which is why not many Democrats really want to impeach Trump. It seems like the sunk cost fallacy being applied to politics: He's already president so let's ride it out.

27th July 2018, 01:44 PM	#305
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by Stacko It seems like the sunk cost fallacy being applied to politics: He's already president so let's ride it out. No, more like the cult of personality. Trump didn't get to pretend to be a successful, forceful business leader on TV for nothing.
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27th July 2018, 02:28 PM	#306
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by LSSBB Pence would be a much better choice for anti-abortion folks. Plus he'd piss off Libs just as much, especially on gay rights. I can't think of many people I would hate more as President as Pence. But Trump is definitely on the list.
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27th July 2018, 02:39 PM	#307
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,609	Journalist and Trump biographer talks about Trump: Quote: “We know the Russians have been courting Donald, spending money on him and putting money in his pocket for more than 30 years,” he said. “Donald’s son, one of his sons, has said they were getting lots of money from Russians, and he’d been deeply involved with deals… with Russian gangsters.” https://www.salon.com/2018/07/27/tru...rumps_partner/

27th July 2018, 03:01 PM	#308
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B On my Facebook feed some were taking joy in the vandalism against Betsy DeVoss’s yacht. I thought that was disgusting. But I thought the Russian Guards were very clever. While I hardly approve of vandalism, I'm not shedding crocodile tears about one of many of Betsy Devoss's many yachts. Also, it's very possible, that it wasn't vandalized at all. It's a 40 million dollar yacht that sustained less than $10,000 in damages.
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27th July 2018, 04:04 PM	#309
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,438	Originally Posted by acbytesla While I hardly approve of vandalism, I'm not shedding crocodile tears about one of many of Betsy Devoss's many yachts. Also, it's very possible, that it wasn't vandalized at all. It's a 40 million dollar yacht that sustained less than $10,000 in damages. Ehh, I figured that it was probably just something like spray paint, as it was. Cheap, relatively easy to do, and get away clean from.
	__________________ So sayeth the crazy little dragon.

27th July 2018, 04:19 PM	#310
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,729	Originally Posted by Aridas Ehh, I figured that it was probably just something like spray paint, as it was. Cheap, relatively easy to do, and get away clean from. The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring.

27th July 2018, 04:41 PM	#311
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8,061	Someone untied it and it scraped against the dock. The DeVoss family will need to use one of their other 9 yachts while it gets repainted.
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27th July 2018, 04:49 PM	#312
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,047	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring. A subtle critique of the Trump Administration, no doubt.
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27th July 2018, 08:03 PM	#313
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,236	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring. Like sailor, like boat.
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27th July 2018, 08:56 PM	#314
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B The report I read said some wag untied it from its mooring. It became untied from its mooring. That much is true. That it wasn't properly tied off is a possibility.
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28th July 2018, 06:54 AM	#315
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,837	It's almost like there are debts that need repaying: Mnuchin says Treasury might lift sanctions on Oleg Deripaska’s aluminum company, even though the Russian oligarch was sanctioned just thrree months ago by the US to punish the Kremlin for meddling in the 2016 election. (my latest with @donnaborak)