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Old 14th August 2020, 07:38 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
A bit off topic of course, but what's the source of the difference? To an untrained observer one would think that "hung" would definitely be the past participle form of "to hang".
The answers I am aware of go back to Old English...
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a fusion of Old English hon "suspend" (transitive, class VII strong verb; past tense heng, past participle hangen), and Old English hangian "be suspended" (intransitive, weak, past tense hangode); also probably influenced by Old Norse hengja "suspend," and hanga "be suspended."
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Hung emerged as past participle 16c. in northern England dialect, and hanged endured only in legal language (which tends to be conservative) in reference to capital punishment and in metaphors extended from it (I'll be hanged).
https://www.etymonline.com/word/hang
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Old 14th August 2020, 08:53 AM   #162
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I'm not sure of the etymology here, but my guess is that "hanged" remains special because it describes a narrow subset of hanging. Everything and everyone who is suspended hangs or is hung, but only those killed when suspended by a rope around the neck are also hanged.
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Old 22nd October 2020, 09:37 AM   #163
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The full transcipt of her 2016 deposition is available here:

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-co...ition-2016.pdf

It's mainly her denying everything, but also denying everything in the most evasive and pedantic way imaginable, which makes her seem incredibly guilty IMO. But maybe that's just the way lawyers instructed her, I don't know.

The deposition has many redactions, but then right at the end there is an alphabetical index, so I would imagine that the many references to someone who appears between the word "analyzed" and "angeles" in the index is probably Andrew. And between "depth" and "describe" is, I guess, Dershowitz.
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Old 22nd October 2020, 01:32 PM   #164
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I sped through the first couple hundred pages, then scooted to the end. No juicy tid-bits as far as I could see. Maybe the NASA announcement will be more exciting.
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Old 22nd October 2020, 02:05 PM   #165
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Somebody's cracked how you can decode the redacted names simply by looking at the index at the back and matching the said alphabetical letter to the name.

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It turns out, though, that those redactions are possible to crack. That’s because the deposition—which you can read in full here—includes a complete alphabetized index of the redacted and unredacted words that appear in the document. For example, after cracking the redactions, we know that Maxwell was asked about an email that Dershowitz allegedly sent to Epstein. In that email, Dershowitz reportedly wrote that he was “working on several possible articles about unfairness in the legal process that allows false charges to be inserted into legal documents.”

Here’s how to deduce the redacted words, using former President Bill Clinton as an example.

You can see in the index that a word that falls alphabetically between clients and clock appears on quite a number of pages. From this, we know that the word starts with the letters CL.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-to-crack.html


Seems at least thirty underage women reported Epstein to the police so it will be difficult for Maxwell to persist in her claim she knew nothing about this.
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Old 22nd October 2020, 02:20 PM   #166
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Haven't read the whole thing, but as far as I can tell she is saying these girls just turned up at the door uninvited and barged in.
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Old 22nd October 2020, 09:33 PM   #167
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Here’s how to deduce the redacted words, using former President Bill Clinton as an example.

You can see in the index that a word that falls alphabetically between clients and clock appears on quite a number of pages. From this, we know that the word starts with the letters CL.
Clinton's name appears in the text unredacted.
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Old 23rd October 2020, 12:37 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Somebody's cracked how you can decode the redacted names simply by looking at the index at the back and matching the said alphabetical letter to the name.
Yes, I did that in the post that included a link to the deposition.

You’re welcome.
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Old 29th December 2020, 07:13 AM   #169
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The New York Times tweeted

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A judge rejected a $28.5 million bail proposal from Ghislaine Maxwell, a companion of Jeffrey Epstein who is charged with contributing to his abuse of teenage girls. She had sought to be freed from what her lawyers called “intolerable” jail conditions.
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Old 1st January 2021, 12:30 PM   #170
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$28.5 million bail per NYT - that's the highest bail I've ever heard of. But then she is not a flight risk; she's a flight certainty.

She cites "intolerable" jail conditions. I wonder if she is in the jail general population or in some kind of protection.

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Old 1st January 2021, 02:04 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
$28.5 million bail per NYT - that's the highest bail I've ever heard of. But then she is not a flight risk; she's a flight certainty.

She cites "intolerable" jail conditions. I wonder if she is in the jail general population or in some kind of protection.
She has unlimited resources, and even then, as you say, is a "flight certainty". No amount of bail will secure her for trial.

As for "intolerable" jail conditions, my heart bleeds ice!
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:34 PM   #172
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She has unlimited resources, and even then, as you say, is a "flight certainty". No amount of bail will secure her for trial.

As for "intolerable" jail conditions, my heart bleeds ice!
Intolerable jail conditions are often cited. Deserves a thread. Specifics would be helpful, I guess not Scandinavian empathy, but then less demand for jail space up there.
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Old 3rd January 2021, 09:57 AM   #173
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I thought part of the whole point of jail was that it wasn't intended to be anyplace you really wanted to just go in and hang around*.











*No pun intended, but not really regretted ether.
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I thought part of the whole point of jail was that it wasn't intended to be anyplace you really wanted to just go in and hang around*.


*No pun intended, but not really regretted ether.
Back in the 19th and early 20th century the USA led the way in humane treatment of prisoners, conditions they were kept in and so on. It now appears to be going the opposite direction.

Personally I would prefer prisoners to live in a stable, safe, violence free environment that encourages healthy living such as how to control your anger, how to learn and so on. That way when they leave prison they can rejoin (or I suspect for many join for the first time) mainstream society and enjoy a productive and happy life. (I do also wish for a pony.)
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Old 3rd January 2021, 11:37 AM   #175
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I thought part of the whole point of jail was that it wasn't intended to be anyplace you really wanted to just go in and hang around*.
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She has been convicted of no crimes as yet; ISTR a principle named 'presumption of innocence '.

Though as a general principle humane treatment of prisoners is a better idea for society.
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Old 18th February 2021, 03:19 AM   #176
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She's suffering/trying it on [delete as applicable] again
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Old 18th February 2021, 06:24 AM   #177
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
$28.5 million bail per NYT - that's the highest bail I've ever heard of. But then she is not a flight risk; she's a flight certainty.

She cites "intolerable" jail conditions. I wonder if she is in the jail general population or in some kind of protection.
I was under the impression that judges had the leeway to deny bail altogether for a high enough flight risk or someone who would endanger the community. I'm curious why the choice of a prohibitively hight bail instead of simply not granting bail.
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Old 23rd February 2021, 10:52 PM   #178
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Maxwell's latest attempt to get bail involves offering to revoke her French and UK citizenship.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gn-citizenship
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Maxwell's latest attempt to get bail involves offering to revoke her French and UK citizenship.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gn-citizenship
Bit of a red herring on her lawyers' part, as both the UK and France have an extradition treaty with the USA so she is hardly likely to flee there. If she flees it'll be to somewhere like Morocco where there is no extradition, or even Israel as her father had a near state funeral there and was a great Zionist.

Personally, she hasn't killed anyone or committed violence, so I sympathise with her being locked up in solitary confinement with hardened criminals.

Sex trafficking is of course a horrendous and heartbreaking crime, I hasten o add.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Bit of a red herring on her lawyers' part, as both the UK and France have an extradition treaty with the USA so she is hardly likely to flee there. If she flees it'll be to somewhere like Morocco where there is no extradition, or even Israel as her father had a near state funeral there and was a great Zionist.

Personally, she hasn't killed anyone or committed violence, so I sympathise with her being locked up in solitary confinement with hardened criminals.

Sex trafficking is of course a horrendous and heartbreaking crime, I hasten o add.
France is pretty famous for not extraditing French nationals back to the US. Fugitive child rapist and occasional film maker Roman Polanski has been living there for decades and is careful not to travel to other countries that might send him back to the US to face justice.
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