Continuation The Trump Presidency: Part 25

[Sherkeu]

Originally Posted by carlitos

Which has nothing to do with whether it is or isn’t Trumps prerogative to cut federal funding to local police.

Funding per legislation come under the purview of the DOJ, then the boss of the DOJ is Trump.

We are used to him not being able to work close with them because that was hindered by all the impeachment proceedings. But it's all back to normal now.
He can work closely with them just as Obama did with Holder.

Trump is the boss, right? If DOJ decide who gets the money, then Trump has influence there. If goes direct from Congress, then he does not. I believe he also decides who gets the military surplus toys too. Not sure.

I havent researched it in some thorough way, so perhaps you can provide more guidance on how it works.

eta: for those not familiar, the Dept of Justice is part of the Executive Branch of the US govt. Trump is the head of that branch - the other 2 being legislative (congress) and judicial (courts)

[carlitos]

I was agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Interjections with knee jerk reactions don’t help.

[Sherkeu]

Originally Posted by carlitos

I was agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Interjections with knee jerk reactions don’t help.

Cool. No prob. My post provides some explanation anyway.
Even though the person I respond to might know how our branches work, I should always provide some base facts so it is clearer for my fellow Americans (The dern furreners on here seem to know more about it than the locals much of the time!).
I still learn interesting facts about it all the time.
People can blame Trump for a lot of things, but it's hard to say he didn't inspire people to be more aware and educated about politics!

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi says she got “set up” by a Beauty Parlor owner. Maybe the Beauty Parlor owner should be running the House of Representatives instead of Crazy Nancy?

Crazy Nancy Pelosi said she was “set up” by the beauty parlor owner when she improperly had the salon opened (and didn’t wear a MASK!). Does anyone want a Speaker of the House who can be so easily SET UP?

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi says she got “set up” by a Beauty Parlor owner. Maybe the Beauty Parlor owner should be running the House of Representatives instead of Crazy Nancy?

Crazy Nancy Pelosi said she was “set up” by the beauty parlor owner when she improperly had the salon opened (and didn’t wear a MASK!). Does anyone want a Speaker of the House who can be so easily SET UP?

It's like everything he says has to include a giant lie. He could easily continue mocking Pelosi for appearing on camera in a public place without a mask, but he has to double down with lies to make it seem even worse.

1. Pelosi didn't have the shop opened. It was open.
2. According to the stylist who did her hair, not only was the shop already open when Pelosi went in, but it's been open (illegally) since April and the owner has been "forcing"* stylists to come in so she can get paid.
3. Mocking Pelosi for being easy to set up is just dumb. If you make an appointment with a business and they position cameras in order to catch you doing something wrong with the explicit (they accepted the appointment) consent of that business, you can't defend against that.
4. Seriously, how can a business owner blame a customer for being inside their business when that business owner always has the option not to allow customers inside?

Don't get me wrong. Pelosi acted stupidly and the day she leaves Congress will be a great one (she is a truly awful leader of both the House and her party) but going after her for getting her hair done is insanity, especially since female Democrats get slammed all the time by Republicans (and jerks in general) for their appearance.

*Presumably, "forcing" in this case means telling the people who work in her shop that if they don't come in they'll lose their spots and she'll find others to take over.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi says she got “set up” by a Beauty Parlor owner. Maybe the Beauty Parlor owner should be running the House of Representatives instead of Crazy Nancy?

Crazy Nancy Pelosi said she was “set up” by the beauty parlor owner when she improperly had the salon opened (and didn’t wear a MASK!). Does anyone want a Speaker of the House who can be so easily SET UP?

Does anyone want a president who behaves like a childish play ground bully?

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Does anyone want a president who behaves like a childish play ground bully?

Yeah. At least 40% of us via every available piece of information we have.

[JoeMorgue]

Yeah and let me tale how awesome it is that a Democratic getting a haircut is a major news story again.

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah and let me tale how awesome it is that a Democratic getting a haircut is a major news story again.

It's because that's all the ****-sipping Republicans have. Sure, Trump did literally everything wrong at the outset of this pandemic which resulted in unnecessary death and economic devastation, and, sure, he continues to make a mockery of democracy and destroy every US institution he possibly can, but a leader of the Democratic Party had her hair done and was caught on a camera without a mask! String her up! #MAGA!

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah. At least 40% of us via every available piece of information we have.

Ah...but they don't think he behaves like a childish playground bully. He's being clever, witty, and triggering the libs! Such is the level of their wit.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

My Administration will do everything in its power to prevent weak mayors and lawless cities from taking Federal dollars while they let anarchists harm people, burn buildings, and ruin lives and businesses. We’re putting them on notice today.
@RussVought45

While Trump rants on this BS, the stock market crashes again!

Neener neerer neener.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Governors Andrew Cuomo of New York has the worst record on death and China Virus. 11,000 people alone died in Nursing Homes because of his incompetence!

11,000 people died in NY nursing homes? Or was that nursing homes in the whole country.

Sorry, too worn out to look it up.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Aber

"Are there more American's working than when I was Vice President?" should cover it.

I also like Reagan's schtick: Are you better off now than when you were 4 years ago?

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Based on the massive number of Unsolicited & Solicited Ballots that will be sent to potential Voters for the upcoming 2020 Election, & in order for you to MAKE SURE YOUR VOTE COUNTS & IS COUNTED, SIGN & MAIL IN your Ballot as EARLY as possible. On Election Day, or Early Voting,..

.....go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated (Counted). If it has you will not be able to Vote & the Mail In System worked properly. If it has not been Counted, VOTE (which is a citizen’s right to do). If your Mail In Ballot arrives....

....after you Vote, which it should not, that Ballot will not be used or counted in that your vote has already been cast & tabulated. YOU ARE NOW ASSURED THAT YOUR PRECIOUS VOTE HAS BEEN COUNTED, it hasn’t been “lost, thrown out, or in any way destroyed”. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Wrong on so many levels.

Trump wants to claim the check for double voting is at the polling place when it is later when the ballots are checked and counted.

I said earlier neither vote would count but I think they would toss the absentee ballot if you already voted in person and count the in-person one.

[Captain_Swoop]

The following Tweet has disappeared from trump's stream.

Nancy Pelosi says she got “set up” by a Beauty Parlor owner. Maybe the Beauty Parlor owner should be running the House of Representatives instead of Crazy Nancy?

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Eric Trump Tweets

@EricTrump
The Dow is on FireFireFire
You know the radical left is melting down as we speak knowing that our economy is roaring back to life! !
#USAUSAUSA

Dow is down 800-900 points today.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Aridas

To speak for where I am, if you *apply* for a mail in ballot, you cannot then vote in person, though a provisional ballot can be used.

That makes sense, going by if you applied rather than when you send the vote in.

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Dow is down 800-900 points today.

"You don't seen graphite on the ground because there isn't any. An RBMK reactor core doesn't explode. 3.6 roetgnen an hour."

[Firestone]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Dow is down 800-900 points today.

The tweet is from yesterday.

I now officially hate Captain_Swoop for making me scroll through Eric Trump's Twitter feed. The stupid there is just ....

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

It's like everything he says has to include a giant lie. He could easily continue mocking Pelosi for appearing on camera in a public place without a mask, but he has to double down with lies to make it seem even worse.

1. Pelosi didn't have the shop opened. It was open.
2. According to the stylist who did her hair, not only was the shop already open when Pelosi went in, but it's been open (illegally) since April and the owner has been "forcing"* stylists to come in so she can get paid.
3. Mocking Pelosi for being easy to set up is just dumb. If you make an appointment with a business and they position cameras in order to catch you doing something wrong with the explicit (they accepted the appointment) consent of that business, you can't defend against that.
4. Seriously, how can a business owner blame a customer for being inside their business when that business owner always has the option not to allow customers inside?

Don't get me wrong. Pelosi acted stupidly and the day she leaves Congress will be a great one (she is a truly awful leader of both the House and her party) but going after her for getting her hair done is insanity, especially since female Democrats get slammed all the time by Republicans (and jerks in general) for their appearance.

*Presumably, "forcing" in this case means telling the people who work in her shop that if they don't come in they'll lose their spots and she'll find others to take over.

She only had her mask off because it was off while she got her hair shampooed. I believe that was outdoors. You can see she entered the salon with wet hair. She put it back on for the styling. That part of the video exists. Of course Kious or Fox simply hid that part.

Do you dislike Pelosi because she is effective?

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Aridas

Time to poke at things!

First things first - Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system. Yes, you read that right. Trump just exhorted a huge number of people to commit a felony. Criminal incitement?

Après vous, M. Président.

I think it would be a good talking point taunt.
“President Trump urged all North Carolinians to vote twice. I say, ‘please do not vote twice until you see President Trump do it himself.‘ If he’s afraid to do it, then you shouldn’t either.”

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Do you dislike Pelosi because she is effective?

No, I don’t think she is. Being effective would, for example, have resulted in articles of impeachment years earlier. Her tendency towards being openly disdainful of members of her own party helps to mark her as someone who has been in office far too long.

As for the mask issue, she shouldn’t ever enter a closed space without a mask on. She should also be aware of and following local COVID restrictions which would mean not being inside a salon at all.

[Silly Green Monkey]

Are you aware of local COVID restrictions that do not precluding being inside a salon? Trump is full of it when he says salons were not open at that time.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Are you aware of local COVID restrictions that do not precluding being inside a salon? Trump is full of it when he says salons were not open at that time.

Trump's just jealous because when he gets his hair done he just pops it into the mail and gets it back the following week.

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Are you aware of local COVID restrictions that do not precluding being inside a salon? Trump is full of it when he says salons were not open at that time.

As I understand it, California in general allowed their reopening while San Francisco in specific did not and required them to work outdoors. I obtained this information from [non-Fox/other right-wing) sources today, so if I am incorrect then I plead repeating misinformation from what I consider reputable sources.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

I’m going to Latrobe, Pennsylvania, the home of the late, great Arnold Palmer - There was nobody like him. I got to know Arnold well, played golf with him, and miss him. See you tonight in Latrobe!

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

Hearing that Iran is looking to execute a great and popular wrestling star, 27-year-old Navid Afkarai, whose sole act was an anti-government demonstration on the streets. They were protesting the “country’s worsening economic situation and inflation”...

...To the leaders of Iran, I would greatly appreciate if you would spare this young man’s life, and not execute him. Thank you! @UFC @DanaWhite @FoxNews

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

The following Tweet has disappeared from trump's stream.

Nancy Pelosi says she got “set up” by a Beauty Parlor owner. Maybe the Beauty Parlor owner should be running the House of Representatives instead of Crazy Nancy?

It came back again but with no changes! weird.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah. At least 40% of us via every available piece of information we have.

Us?

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

The following Tweet has disappeared from trump's stream.

Nancy Pelosi says she got “set up” by a Beauty Parlor owner. Maybe the Beauty Parlor owner should be running the House of Representatives instead of Crazy Nancy?

No wonder it was deleted. Not only is it sleazy to want someone who sets another person up to be Speaker of the House, turns out the evidence is pretty overwhelming Pelosi actually was set up.

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Us?

Are you serious or are you just looking for posts to **** on today?

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"You don't seen graphite on the ground because there isn't any. An RBMK reactor core doesn't explode. 3.6 roetgnen an hour."

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Firestone

The tweet is from yesterday.

I now officially hate Captain_Swoop for making me scroll through Eric Trump's Twitter feed. The stupid there is just ....

I'm tempted to look, maybe tomorrow.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Aprè vous, M. Président.

I think it would be a good talking point taunt.
“President Trump urged all North Carolinians to vote twice. I say, ‘please do not vote twice until you see President Trump do it himself.‘ If he’s afraid to do it, then you shouldn’t either.”

I like it!

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

No, I don’t think she is. Being effective would, for example, have resulted in articles of impeachment years earlier. Her tendency towards being openly disdainful of members of her own party helps to mark her as someone who has been in office far too long.

As for the mask issue, she shouldn’t ever enter a closed space without a mask on. She should also be aware of and following local COVID restrictions which would mean not being inside a salon at all.

That's a bit excessive. No one was in there. The stylist was behind her.

I think that's just a ridiculously high bar.

We would have all loved to have seen Trump impeached. But you can see that Pelosi knew McConnell would see to it it was blocked in the Senate.

So again, your bar is absurdly high.

Disdainful of her own? You mean when she told the newbies (including OAC) that their idealism was misplaced and they needed to slow it down?

I thought Pelosi was right and I love OAC.

[Safe-Keeper]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"You don't seen graphite on the ground because there isn't any. An RBMK reactor core doesn't explode. 3.6 roetgnen an hour."

Big Brother says 2+2=5.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Are you aware of local COVID restrictions that do not precluding being inside a salon? Trump is full of it when he says salons were not open at that time.

The whole thing was confusing.

Newsom said salons in SF County could open. The city mayor said no, then said they could see clients outside. The salons all complained and said it was impossible.

The mayor was very confusing and the rules became unclear.

In the meantime the salon Pelosi went to had been seeing clients illegally "for months".

And the mayor relented and said the salons could open a day (or so) after Pelosi had her hair done.

Trump, Fox News, Tucker Carlson and the whole right-wing blogosphere et al are indeed full of it.

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

That's a bit excessive. No one was in there. The stylist was behind her.

I think that's just a ridiculously high bar.

No, it's not a high bar. I don't wait until I walk into a store to put my mask on. I don't even wait until I'm out of whatever vehicle I"m in when I arrive.

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We would have all loved to have seen Trump impeached. But you can see that Pelosi knew McConnell would see to it it was blocked in the Senate.

So again, your bar is absurdly high.

Again, it's not. Rightfully impeaching a president is entirely the prerogative of the House and it's not like McConnell was letting the House do much of anything else anyway. Maybe if the House had been a bit more active instead of mainly occupying themselves with sniping, the midterms would have seen a shift of control of the Senate. I don't buy that playing it safe bought them anything. I suspect that every move to the Democrat side was based solely on how objectionable Trump and McConnell have been. In short, there are no pro-Pelosi voters outside of her district.

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Disdainful of her own? You mean when she told the newbies (including OAC) that their idealism was misplaced and they needed to slow it down?

I thought Pelosi was right and I love OAC.

Then both of you are wrong. It's past time for the corporate-owned centrist Democrats to be driven out of office. For example, we've had over 25 years of Democrats talking big about health care and the best we've done is to make insurers offer to let people pay for their health insurance. Whoop-de-*******-doo.

The Republicans go on and on using "progressive" as a pejorative but the simple truth is that the Democratic party is barely liberal and progressive is a pipe dream.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

As I understand it, California in general allowed their reopening while San Francisco in specific did not and required them to work outdoors. I obtained this information from [non-Fox/other right-wing) sources today, so if I am incorrect then I plead repeating misinformation from what I consider reputable sources.

Yes, but...

I also perused dozens of articles this morning to sort this out.

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But a law firm representing Pelosi’s stylist, Jonathan DeNardo, released a statement accusing Kious of having encouraged stylists for months to operate in defiance of shutdown orders. When DeNardo called the salon owner Sunday night to ask if he could bring in Pelosi, the statement said, Kious “made several vitriolic and incendiary comments about Speaker Pelosi” but ultimately approved.

EastBayTimes.

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“I don’t wear a mask when I’m washing my hair,” she said. “Do you wear a mask when you’re washing your hair? I always wear a mask. That picture is when I just came out of the bowl.”

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Former Nevada Republican State Senator Danny Tarkanian’s wife, Amy Tarkanian,*set up*a*GoFundMe page*in an attempt to help Kious relocate her business due to threats. Amy Tarkanian tweeted in support of Kious, “She has received an outpour of praise & thanks, but also many death threats. She is having others pack up her belongings because she fears returning.”
Online records show that in June 2010, Kious*donated $300*to one of Danny Tarkanian’s political campaigns.*The Associated Press has described Tarkanian*as a “perennial candidate.”*

Heavydotcom

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SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday spoke out about the controversy surrounding*her recent indoor visit to a San Francisco hair salon, calling the incident “a set up.”
Now, the house speaker’s hair stylist is backing her claim and says the salon owner did indeed set the whole thing up.
Through his lawyer,Jonathan Denardo says e-salon owner Erica Kious approved the appointment and during a conversation over the phone Denardo says Kious made several comments criticizing the House Speaker.
The stylist’s lawyer says Kious had been violating the health order for months before the House Speaker’s visit and says, “It appears Ms. Kious is furthering a set-up of speaker Pelosi for her own vain aspirations.” …
Kious, who rents stylists chairs at the salon and reportedly learned about one stylist’s plan to provide the Speaker a wash and blow dry the day before the appointment, told Fox News she felt Pelosi’s visit reflected a double standard, She said she considered the service “a slap in the face” to business owners who have been shuttered during the pandemic.

SanFrancisco LocalCBS: Stylist Backs Up Pelosi’s Claim San Francisco Salon Visit Was A Set Up


My summary of what I found:

Turns out the stylist specifically asked the owner of the salon, Erica Kious, if it was OK. That's the owner who says she knew nothing about it.

Also turns out the salon has been seeing clients in violation of the shutdown for months.

Kious took the footage to Fox news because she wanted to use it to complain about the shutdown. No coincidence she went there and later to an interview with Tucker Carlson.

And Pelosi only had her mask off because her hair was shampooed. The footage we don't see showed Pelosi put the mask back on for the styling.

Also Republican Kious has a gofundme set up by another Republican, her friend, and the fund already has more than $40K in it.
EastBayTimes

I sifted through a lot of sources and found more corroborating information as well. Kious owns two more salons in the Bay area and one in Fresno so take her crocodile tears with a grain of salt.

James O'Keefe would be proud.

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Yes, but...

[insert a bunch of irrelevant information here]