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Old 30th October 2020, 07:34 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
Based on my training, knowledge, and experience as an RCMP firearms instructor and as a former member and eventual officer in charge of an RCMP Emergency Response Team (ERT) - I can tell you that shooting under such circumstances that these officers found themselves under would result in many misses.
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We all know Canadians are nice. Chances are that your cops wouldn't conduct, and your courts wouldn't authorize, the kind of midnight home invasion against a minor criminal that these cops pulled. And I'll bet you would know if the guy you were looking for was already in custody.

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Old 31st October 2020, 04:09 PM   #522
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
We all know Canadians are nice. Chances are that your cops wouldn't conduct, and your courts wouldn't authorize, the kind of midnight home invasion against a minor criminal that these cops pulled. And I'll bet you would know if the guy you were looking for was already in custody.
Don't fall for the stereotypes. There's more than enough jackassery up here as well.
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Old 31st October 2020, 04:19 PM   #523
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Don't fall for the stereotypes. There's more than enough jackassery up here as well.
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Old 31st October 2020, 09:15 PM   #524
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Very surprised to see the cops voluntarily bringing this matter before a court after the system has done so much to sweep it under the rug.

Civil litigation means discovery, it means the entry of evidence into the public record. Hell of a way to show gratitude to a DA that bent over backwards to make this case disappear from public scrutiny.
Maybe he's really angling for a very generous retirement package from the city of Louisville.
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Old 2nd November 2020, 12:31 PM   #525
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Originally Posted by bignickel View Post
Yeah, didn’t think you’d have an answer for that one.
“But it’s 3 am in the morning! If someone’s shooting at me in the house I burst into, I’m responsible for only hitting the person with the gun?! When did America turn into the USSR?!!”

Your farcical scenario lacked any of the details necessary to provide an informed and rational answer.
The failure is yours - unless your objective was to troll.
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Old 28th December 2020, 06:19 PM   #526
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...I just watched this NYT Interactive that was published today.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...eath-cops.html

Oh boy. Its one thing to read about how it all went down. Its another to effectively "see it." The statements from the SWAT commander and the video while they were investigating the scene really says it all.
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Old 29th December 2020, 03:34 PM   #527
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Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
...I just watched this NYT Interactive that was published today.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...eath-cops.html

Oh boy. Its one thing to read about how it all went down. Its another to effectively "see it." The statements from the SWAT commander and the video while they were investigating the scene really says it all.
It's not unusual for a lot of people to come out of the woodwork and say, in hindsight, that an operation was horribly botched / packed with stupid actions by stupid people / misguided / obviously stupid and wrong - after said operation went horribly wrong.

If these same detectives had uneventfully found a young woman there alone and searched the place, questioned her, or if the boyfriend had been there but hadn't opened fire, there'd be nobody saying anything negative about it.

This house out of all that were searched that night was the one they would've considered least likely to have someone inside who opened fire at them. This is probably why they sent detectives and not SWAT.

Hindsight is great.

I watched the video too and it doesn't change much for me, I agree that the cop who started firing through side windows was being dumb in doing so.

But the cops returning fire after one of them was shot isn't particularly troubling or wrong. Would it be better if they'd retreated, taken cover, and called out "this is the police! drop your weapons and come out!" etc. rather than unloading tons of bullets into the place? Sure, it would've been better.

Also would've been better if Taylor wasn't a drug dealer who dated other drug dealers, had dead bodies end up in her rental cars, got fired as an EMT in a way where they marked her as a "do not rehire" and if her boyfriend had not shot at cops.
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Old 29th December 2020, 03:44 PM   #528
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Second police officer fired for falsifying the warrant that allowed the raid.

Second Louisville police officer involved in Breonna Taylor investigation will be fired [Wave3 News]

“Please be advised of my present intention to terminate your employment,” LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry began her two-page letter to Jaynes on Tuesday.

“Detective Jaynes lied when he swore ‘verified through a US Postal Inspector,’” Gentry wrote. “Detective Jaynes did not have contact with a US Postal Inspector, he received the information from Sergeant Mattingly, who got it from a Shively Police Officer. Detective Jaynes also lied when he swore a US Postal Inspector advised ‘that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages at 3003 Springfield Drive #4.’”
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Old 29th December 2020, 04:27 PM   #529
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“Please be advised of my present intention to terminate your employment,” LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry began her two-page letter to Jaynes on Tuesday.
Seriously? Whatever happened to "you're fired"? Or just "Your employment is terminated immediately". Is she going to change her mind tomorrow?
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Old 29th December 2020, 04:46 PM   #530
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Gentry also wrote that Jaynes will have a chance to defend himself at a pre-termination hearing with her Thursday.
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Old 30th December 2020, 06:38 AM   #531
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Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
...I just watched this NYT Interactive that was published today.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...eath-cops.html

Oh boy. Its one thing to read about how it all went down. Its another to effectively "see it." The statements from the SWAT commander and the video while they were investigating the scene really says it all.
That is an amazing piece of journalism. I thought one of the very first graphics summed up the entire murder: Orange are shots fired into the apartment by the police.

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Old 30th December 2020, 06:44 AM   #532
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Seriously? Whatever happened to "you're fired"? Or just "Your employment is terminated immediately". Is she going to change her mind tomorrow?
I suspect that is SOP - laying out the grounds for dismissal and giving the employee some time to respond to the formal dismissal.

(My paranoid cynic however says they’ve published this in detail so future police officers know how to proceed more effectively when covering up their crimes.)
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Man I wish I could murder someone and only lose my job.
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Old 30th December 2020, 07:15 AM   #534
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Your farcical scenario lacked any of the details necessary to provide an informed and rational answer.
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Man I wish I could murder someone and only lose my job.
So serving a search warrant at a drug dealer's residence, getting shot, and returning fire - is now some sort of sweet deal "free murder" token in your eyes? Interesting.
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Old 30th December 2020, 03:51 PM   #536
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Man I wish I could murder someone and only lose my job.

Join the US military and that way you can murder innocent people in other countries all day long and not lose your job!
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Join the US military and that way you can murder innocent people in other countries all day long and not lose your job!
Or do it as a mercenary and get pardoned!
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Or do it as a mercenary and get pardoned!
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So serving a search warrant at a drug dealer's residence, getting shot, and returning fire - is now some sort of sweet deal "free murder" token in your eyes? Interesting.
...the warrant should never have either been sought or granted. It wasn't a drug dealers residence. They had a no knock warrant, the evidence strongly suggests they didn't declare they were police, and the resident had every right (in the context of unknown people explosively entering the house) to stand their ground.
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No they didn't. Again, you are rephrasing things to make the police claims conflict with statements from USPI. They said that they had verified through a US Postal Inspector that Glover had been receiving mail at Taylor's address.
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Det. Joshua Jaynes was informed that the Louisville Metropolitan Police Department intends to terminate his employment, a department spokesperson confirmed to NBC News, and a lawyer for Det. Myles Cosgrove confirmed he received a letter of termination from the department.

Officers still have the right to a pre-termination hearing before the are officially fired, the spokesperson said.

Jaynes had written in a sworn affidavit submitted to a Jefferson County judge that he had "verified through a U.S. Postal Inspector" that Taylor’s former boyfriend Jamarcus Glover "has been receiving packages" at Taylor's home.

NBC News affiliate WAVE obtained the letter sent to Jaynes by LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry, which noted that the detective "lied when he swore" he spoke to a postal inspector.

“Detective Jaynes did not have contact with a US Postal Inspector, he received the information from Sergeant Mattingly, who got it from a Shively Police Officer," Gentry wrote.

Glover had been the target of a narcotics investigation and detectives raided Taylor’s apartment in March to obtain evidence in the case. An internal investigation by the department revealed that Jaynes never spoke to a postal inspector.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...nt/ar-BB1ckx3D

...this was not an unexpected development.
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Old 4th January 2021, 07:51 AM   #541
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Second police officer fired for falsifying the warrant that allowed the raid.

Second Louisville police officer involved in Breonna Taylor investigation will be fired [Wave3 News]

“Please be advised of my present intention to terminate your employment,” LMPD Interim Chief Yvette Gentry began her two-page letter to Jaynes on Tuesday.

“Detective Jaynes lied when he swore ‘verified through a US Postal Inspector,’” Gentry wrote. “Detective Jaynes did not have contact with a US Postal Inspector, he received the information from Sergeant Mattingly, who got it from a Shively Police Officer. Detective Jaynes also lied when he swore a US Postal Inspector advised ‘that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages at 3003 Springfield Drive #4.’”
Where is the manslaugter charge for this, like when you swat someone and the cops get a bit too ink chasie?
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