[Ed] Indictment in Breonna Taylor case. - Page 3

Leftus · 24th September 2020, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

And how is it self-defense for the cops to kill the person who is NOT shooting at them? Charge them with manslaughter and let a jury decide if they were justified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transferred_intent

Intent follows the bullet. The intention of the shots were to disable the gunman. The self defense firing towards the gunman will apply self defense to a bystander in the line of fire.

It does not follow if you are firing wildly, which is the claim of the grand jury.

Shadowdweller · 24th September 2020, 07:04 AM

The police have at least one witness that supposedly corroborates their claim that they announced themselves first. The flipside is that Kenneth Walker (Taylor's boyfriend) mentioned in his statement that both he and Taylor screamed "Who is it?" at the top of their lungs in response to the banging they heard... and received no response.

It strikes me that there is almost certainly both surveillance and/or sound equipment that would have prevented Taylor's death...presuming honest actors. Equipment that is relatively inexpensive compared to the average police budget.

Olmstead · 24th September 2020, 07:55 AM

Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no.

Thermal · 24th September 2020, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Olmstead

Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no.

Drug runners in wealthy neighborhoods have prescription blanks, not guns.

I Am The Scum · 24th September 2020, 08:10 AM

So... they have to get a no-knock warrant because they are concerned with the destruction of evidecne.

But... they announced themselves well in advance of their entry?

And... they were showing up in the middle of the night... why?

Sorry if the account of the officers seems a little flimsy.

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 08:16 AM

It's almost as if they want a scenario where they can shoot anyone they want and not be held accountable.

And if that sounds hyperbolic to anyone answer me this, if that isn't what they are doing what would be functionally different if they were?

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Olmstead

Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no.

Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on?

Bob001 · 24th September 2020, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Leftus

...
Intent follows the bullet. The intention of the shots were to disable the gunman. The self defense firing towards the gunman will apply self defense to a bystander in the line of fire.
....

Great. Let them make that claim to a trial jury. If they couldn't hit what they were aiming at, that at least seems like pretty significant negligence.

Thermal · 24th September 2020, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

So... they have to get a no-knock warrant because they are concerned with the destruction of evidecne.

But... they announced themselves well in advance of their entry?

And... they were showing up in the middle of the night... why?

Sorry if the account of the officers seems a little flimsy.

Briefmy screaming POLICE in the middle of the night to sleeping occupants is a sure fire way to insure they understand who is breaking their door down.

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on?

"This kind of thing." That's some good dog whistling.

Olmstead · 24th September 2020, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on?

Because wealthy people never do drugs?

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Olmstead

Because wealthy people never do drugs?

Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common.

Olmstead · 24th September 2020, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common.

Were the police trying to save the neighbourhood or trying to arrest someone for the possesion of drugs and vague connections to a drug dealer? Will they knock down the door of Mr Wall Street if he is suspected of doing cocaine?

angrysoba · 24th September 2020, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on?

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common.

The Hell is this?

Now we are at, “Don’t wanna get shot dead by the cops? Shoulda lived in a wealthier neighborhood!” as an argument?

Oh yeah, this is the country where a cop can walk into someone’s house, shoot the occupant dead and then say “I thought it was MY house!”

johnny karate · 24th September 2020, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common.

You’re argument seems to be that poor people deserve to have their civil rights trampled and get murdered in their beds by the police by virtue of their poverty.

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Olmstead

Were the police trying to save the neighbourhood or trying to arrest someone for the possesion of drugs and vague connections to a drug dealer? Will they knock down the door of Mr Wall Street if he is suspected of doing cocaine?

Are Mr. Wallstreets' neighbors unsafe in their neighborhood? Are they at high risk of becoming victims of crime when they walk out their front door (or even in their homes) from addicts desperate to get money to supply an addiction or low level dealers fighting over territory?
Likely not.
It should follow that the most police activity occurs in the areas where the most crime exists.

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 08:51 AM

And now we get "No I'm not saying that, show me where I said that!" scene.

And action...

Delphic Oracle · 24th September 2020, 08:51 AM

There was no "kind of thing" happening.

Not a secret stash house.

Nothing.

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

You’re argument seems to be that poor people deserve to have their civil rights trampled and get murdered in their beds by the police by virtue of their poverty.

Wow.
Just, Wow!

One would need a telescope to see the point from the distance you are from it.

ponderingturtle · 24th September 2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

There was no "kind of thing" happening.

Not a secret stash house.

Nothing.

But clearly black people lived in the neighborhood and that is really all you need to know about it apparently.

Thermal · 24th September 2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

The Hell is this?

Now we are at, “Don’t wanna get shot dead by the cops? Shoulda lived in a wealthier neighborhood!” as an argument?

Oh yeah, this is the country where a cop can walk into someone’s house, shoot the occupant dead and then say “I thought it was MY house!”

Well you really can't. You go to prison for murder if you do that, as we saw.

angrysoba · 24th September 2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Well you really can't. You go to prison for murder if you do that, as we saw.

Eventually! It took a lot of protest to actually make the cops care about it enough to even arrest. And I seem to recall there was a thread that went on for many pages due to defences of that same cop.

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"This kind of thing." That's some good dog whistling.

Humans cannot hear dog whistles.
Unless, of course, they want to bad enough- then they hear them everywhere.

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Eventually! It took a lot of protest to actually make the cops care about it enough to even arrest. And I seem to recall there was a thread that went on for many pages due to defences of that same cop.

Soooooo much alternative universe pro-murder fan fiction. Like a half dozen people spent so much time role playing as a member of Officer McTiredNHorny's defense team it was practically an ARG session.

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Humans cannot hear dog whistles.
Unless, of course, they want to bad enough- then they hear them everywhere.

So what did you mean?

(Stage Notes. Distracted1 will not directly and honestly answer this question.)

Leftus · 24th September 2020, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Great. Let them make that claim to a trial jury. If they couldn't hit what they were aiming at, that at least seems like pretty significant negligence.

You've got it exactly backwards. The DA would have to prove intent.

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

So what did you mean?

(Stage Notes. Distracted1 will not directly and honestly answer this question.)

Very simple, really.

Post #83
"would cops pull this kind of crap in a wealthy neighborhood......."

(apparently "this kind of thing" is a dog whistle- but "this kind of crap" is not. Que cera cera, posters who want there to be a dog whistle also want it to be from who they decide is "against them" based upon what they decide that person thinks)

....implies that this kind of crap does not happen in wealthy neighborhoods.

It seems pretty apparent that a wealthy person living in a neighborhood where this kind of "crap" happens would move- because they have the option to.

Pointing that out is apparently a racist dog whistle.

Carry on, you critical thinkers you.

Olmstead · 24th September 2020, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Are Mr. Wallstreets' neighbors unsafe in their neighborhood? Are they at high risk of becoming victims of crime when they walk out their front door (or even in their homes) from addicts desperate to get money to supply an addiction or low level dealers fighting over territory?
Likely not.
It should follow that the most police activity occurs in the areas where the most crime exists.

Yes, good for them that they have enough money to both engage in illegal activity and insulate themselves from its damaging effects.

Wealthy drug users share just as much blame for any drug-related degredation of a neighbourhood, even if they don't live in it. Due to their resources, they are also far more likely to destroy evidence effectively.

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Very simple, really.

Post #83
"would cops pull this kind of crap in a wealthy neighborhood......."

(apparently "this kind of thing" is a dog whistle- but "this kind of crap" is not. Que cera cera, posters who want there to be a dog whistle also want it to be from who they decide is "against them" based upon what they decide that person thinks)

....implies that this kind of crap does not happen in wealthy neighborhoods.

It seems pretty apparent that a wealthy person living in a neighborhood where this kind of "crap" happens would move- because they have the option to.

Pointing that out is apparently a racist dog whistle.

Carry on, you critical thinkers you.

So yeah "It's her fault for living in a poor (black) neighborhood." with more words around it.

rockysmith76 · 24th September 2020, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by whoanellie

Her name is Breonna.
The police were not looking for the boyfriend that Breonna was living with (the one who opened fire). The alleged drug dealer was an ex boyfriend of Breonna's.

making it the wrong address. The ruling is ********

Distracted1 · 24th September 2020, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

So yeah "It's her fault for living in a poor (black) neighborhood." with more words around it.

That drum of yours only beats out one note. I get it.
Keep banging it, though, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Bob001 · 24th September 2020, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Leftus

You've got it exactly backwards. The DA would have to prove intent.

No, actually. Negligence is doing or failing to do something that you are supposed to do or not do. Killing somebody that you didn't intend to kill is pretty obviously negligence. You don't have to intend to be negligent.

Quote:

In the law, the term “negligence” refers to a failure of a person or entity to exercise a level of care necessary to protect others,...

https://legaldictionary.net/negligence/

Like I said, let a jury decide. A DA's standard for prosecution is probable cause; only the jury applies "beyond reasonable doubt."

rockysmith76 · 24th September 2020, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

It's almost as if they want a scenario where they can shoot anyone they want and not be held accountable.

And if that sounds hyperbolic to anyone answer me this, if that isn't what they are doing what would be functionally different if they were?

It sounds like facts are disputed from both sides, so presuming guilt of one before that is sifted through, is hyperbolic...

rockysmith76 · 24th September 2020, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

That drum of yours only beats out one note. I get it.
Keep banging it, though, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Agreed

Bob001 · 24th September 2020, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by rockysmith76

It sounds like facts are disputed from both sides, so presuming guilt of one before that is sifted through, is hyperbolic...

The place to resolve disputes of fact is a trial. A women is dead. Let a jury decide whether the cops were justified.

BStrong · 24th September 2020, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Olmstead

Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no.

Not often, but it does happen - Donald Scott:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Donald_Scott

JoeMorgue · 24th September 2020, 09:43 AM

"But the facts are in dispute!" doesn't matter in a post-fact world since the facts are always going to be in dispute regardless of what the evidence says.

shuttlt · 24th September 2020, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

No, actually. Negligence is doing or failing to do something that you are supposed to do or not do. Killing somebody that you didn't intend to kill is pretty obviously negligence.

Only if it resulted from negligence.

Bob001 · 24th September 2020, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Only if it resulted from negligence.

Like failing to be sure of your target before you open fire? Like I said, let a jury decide.

rockysmith76 · 24th September 2020, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"But the facts are in dispute!" doesn't matter in a post-fact world since the facts are always going to be in dispute regardless of what the evidence says.

No, facts actually do matter, over the need for hyperbolic emotion...

24th September 2020, 06:08 AM	#81
Leftus Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,427	Originally Posted by Bob001 And how is it self-defense for the cops to kill the person who is NOT shooting at them? Charge them with manslaughter and let a jury decide if they were justified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transferred_intent Intent follows the bullet. The intention of the shots were to disable the gunman. The self defense firing towards the gunman will apply self defense to a bystander in the line of fire. It does not follow if you are firing wildly, which is the claim of the grand jury.
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24th September 2020, 08:07 AM	#84
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 13,527	Originally Posted by Olmstead Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no. Drug runners in wealthy neighborhoods have prescription blanks, not guns.
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24th September 2020, 08:16 AM	#86
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	It's almost as if they want a scenario where they can shoot anyone they want and not be held accountable. And if that sounds hyperbolic to anyone answer me this, if that isn't what they are doing what would be functionally different if they were?
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24th September 2020, 08:16 AM	#87
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by Olmstead Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no. Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on?
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24th September 2020, 08:18 AM	#89
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 13,527	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum So... they have to get a no-knock warrant because they are concerned with the destruction of evidecne. But... they announced themselves well in advance of their entry? And... they were showing up in the middle of the night... why? Sorry if the account of the officers seems a little flimsy. Briefmy screaming POLICE in the middle of the night to sleeping occupants is a sure fire way to insure they understand who is breaking their door down.
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24th September 2020, 07:04 AM	#82
Shadowdweller Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,015	The police have at least one witness that supposedly corroborates their claim that they announced themselves first. The flipside is that Kenneth Walker (Taylor's boyfriend) mentioned in his statement that both he and Taylor screamed "Who is it?" at the top of their lungs in response to the banging they heard... and received no response. It strikes me that there is almost certainly both surveillance and/or sound equipment that would have prevented Taylor's death...presuming honest actors. Equipment that is relatively inexpensive compared to the average police budget.

24th September 2020, 07:55 AM	#83
Olmstead Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 415	Do police ever pull this kind of crap in wealthy neighbourhoods? I could be wrong, but something tells me no.
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24th September 2020, 08:10 AM	#85
I Am The Scum Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4,573	So... they have to get a no-knock warrant because they are concerned with the destruction of evidecne. But... they announced themselves well in advance of their entry? And... they were showing up in the middle of the night... why? Sorry if the account of the officers seems a little flimsy.

24th September 2020, 08:16 AM	#88
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,637	Originally Posted by Leftus ... Intent follows the bullet. The intention of the shots were to disable the gunman. The self defense firing towards the gunman will apply self defense to a bystander in the line of fire. .... Great. Let them make that claim to a trial jury. If they couldn't hit what they were aiming at, that at least seems like pretty significant negligence.

24th September 2020, 08:18 AM	#90
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on? "This kind of thing." That's some good dog whistling.
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24th September 2020, 08:23 AM	#91
Olmstead Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 415	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on? Because wealthy people never do drugs?
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24th September 2020, 08:25 AM	#92
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by Olmstead Because wealthy people never do drugs? Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common.
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24th September 2020, 08:31 AM	#93
Olmstead Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 415	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common. Were the police trying to save the neighbourhood or trying to arrest someone for the possesion of drugs and vague connections to a drug dealer? Will they knock down the door of Mr Wall Street if he is suspected of doing cocaine?
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24th September 2020, 08:49 AM	#94
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,394	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Why would a wealthy person live in a neighborhood where this kind of thing goes on? Originally Posted by Distracted1 Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common. The Hell is this? Now we are at, “Don’t wanna get shot dead by the cops? Shoulda lived in a wealthier neighborhood!” as an argument? Oh yeah, this is the country where a cop can walk into someone’s house, shoot the occupant dead and then say “I thought it was MY house!”
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24th September 2020, 08:50 AM	#95
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,547	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Yet are rarely found living in neighborhoods where the worst effects of them are common. You’re argument seems to be that poor people deserve to have their civil rights trampled and get murdered in their beds by the police by virtue of their poverty.

24th September 2020, 08:50 AM	#96
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by Olmstead Were the police trying to save the neighbourhood or trying to arrest someone for the possesion of drugs and vague connections to a drug dealer? Will they knock down the door of Mr Wall Street if he is suspected of doing cocaine? Are Mr. Wallstreets' neighbors unsafe in their neighborhood? Are they at high risk of becoming victims of crime when they walk out their front door (or even in their homes) from addicts desperate to get money to supply an addiction or low level dealers fighting over territory? Likely not. It should follow that the most police activity occurs in the areas where the most crime exists.
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24th September 2020, 08:51 AM	#97
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	And now we get "No I'm not saying that, show me where I said that!" scene. And action...
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24th September 2020, 08:51 AM	#98
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,361	There was no "kind of thing" happening. Not a secret stash house. Nothing.

24th September 2020, 08:52 AM	#99
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by johnny karate You’re argument seems to be that poor people deserve to have their civil rights trampled and get murdered in their beds by the police by virtue of their poverty. Wow. Just, Wow! One would need a telescope to see the point from the distance you are from it.
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24th September 2020, 08:52 AM	#100
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,461	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle There was no "kind of thing" happening. Not a secret stash house. Nothing. But clearly black people lived in the neighborhood and that is really all you need to know about it apparently.
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24th September 2020, 08:53 AM	#101
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 13,527	Originally Posted by angrysoba The Hell is this? Now we are at, “Don’t wanna get shot dead by the cops? Shoulda lived in a wealthier neighborhood!” as an argument? Oh yeah, this is the country where a cop can walk into someone’s house, shoot the occupant dead and then say “I thought it was MY house!” Well you really can't. You go to prison for murder if you do that, as we saw.
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24th September 2020, 08:55 AM	#102
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,394	Originally Posted by Thermal Well you really can't. You go to prison for murder if you do that, as we saw. Eventually! It took a lot of protest to actually make the cops care about it enough to even arrest. And I seem to recall there was a thread that went on for many pages due to defences of that same cop.
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24th September 2020, 08:55 AM	#103
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue "This kind of thing." That's some good dog whistling. Humans cannot hear dog whistles. Unless, of course, they want to bad enough- then they hear them everywhere.
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24th September 2020, 08:56 AM	#104
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	Originally Posted by angrysoba Eventually! It took a lot of protest to actually make the cops care about it enough to even arrest. And I seem to recall there was a thread that went on for many pages due to defences of that same cop. Soooooo much alternative universe pro-murder fan fiction. Like a half dozen people spent so much time role playing as a member of Officer McTiredNHorny's defense team it was practically an ARG session.
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24th September 2020, 08:57 AM	#105
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Humans cannot hear dog whistles. Unless, of course, they want to bad enough- then they hear them everywhere. So what did you mean? (Stage Notes. Distracted1 will not directly and honestly answer this question.)
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24th September 2020, 09:03 AM	#106
Leftus Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,427	Originally Posted by Bob001 Great. Let them make that claim to a trial jury. If they couldn't hit what they were aiming at, that at least seems like pretty significant negligence. You've got it exactly backwards. The DA would have to prove intent.
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24th September 2020, 09:03 AM	#107
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue So what did you mean? (Stage Notes. Distracted1 will not directly and honestly answer this question.) Very simple, really. Post #83 "would cops pull this kind of crap in a wealthy neighborhood......." (apparently "this kind of thing" is a dog whistle- but "this kind of crap" is not. Que cera cera, posters who want there to be a dog whistle also want it to be from who they decide is "against them" based upon what they decide that person thinks) ....implies that this kind of crap does not happen in wealthy neighborhoods. It seems pretty apparent that a wealthy person living in a neighborhood where this kind of "crap" happens would move- because they have the option to. Pointing that out is apparently a racist dog whistle. Carry on, you critical thinkers you.
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24th September 2020, 09:08 AM	#108
Olmstead Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 415	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Are Mr. Wallstreets' neighbors unsafe in their neighborhood? Are they at high risk of becoming victims of crime when they walk out their front door (or even in their homes) from addicts desperate to get money to supply an addiction or low level dealers fighting over territory? Likely not. It should follow that the most police activity occurs in the areas where the most crime exists. Yes, good for them that they have enough money to both engage in illegal activity and insulate themselves from its damaging effects. Wealthy drug users share just as much blame for any drug-related degredation of a neighbourhood, even if they don't live in it. Due to their resources, they are also far more likely to destroy evidence effectively.
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24th September 2020, 09:11 AM	#109
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,692	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Very simple, really. Post #83 "would cops pull this kind of crap in a wealthy neighborhood......." (apparently "this kind of thing" is a dog whistle- but "this kind of crap" is not. Que cera cera, posters who want there to be a dog whistle also want it to be from who they decide is "against them" based upon what they decide that person thinks) ....implies that this kind of crap does not happen in wealthy neighborhoods. It seems pretty apparent that a wealthy person living in a neighborhood where this kind of "crap" happens would move- because they have the option to. Pointing that out is apparently a racist dog whistle. Carry on, you critical thinkers you. So yeah "It's her fault for living in a poor (black) neighborhood." with more words around it.
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24th September 2020, 09:11 AM	#110
rockysmith76 Banned Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 1,990	Originally Posted by whoanellie Her name is Breonna. The police were not looking for the boyfriend that Breonna was living with (the one who opened fire). The alleged drug dealer was an ex boyfriend of Breonna's. making it the wrong address. The ruling is ********
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24th September 2020, 09:13 AM	#111
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue So yeah "It's her fault for living in a poor (black) neighborhood." with more words around it. That drum of yours only beats out one note. I get it. Keep banging it, though, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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24th September 2020, 09:16 AM	#112
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,637	Originally Posted by Leftus You've got it exactly backwards. The DA would have to prove intent. No, actually. Negligence is doing or failing to do something that you are supposed to do or not do. Killing somebody that you didn't intend to kill is pretty obviously negligence. You don't have to intend to be negligent. Quote: In the law, the term “negligence” refers to a failure of a person or entity to exercise a level of care necessary to protect others,... https://legaldictionary.net/negligence/ Like I said, let a jury decide. A DA's standard for prosecution is probable cause; only the jury applies "beyond reasonable doubt."
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24th September 2020, 09:18 AM	#113
rockysmith76 Banned Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 1,990	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue It's almost as if they want a scenario where they can shoot anyone they want and not be held accountable. And if that sounds hyperbolic to anyone answer me this, if that isn't what they are doing what would be functionally different if they were? It sounds like facts are disputed from both sides, so presuming guilt of one before that is sifted through, is hyperbolic...
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24th September 2020, 09:21 AM	#114
rockysmith76 Banned Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 1,990	Originally Posted by Distracted1 That drum of yours only beats out one note. I get it. Keep banging it, though, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Agreed
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24th September 2020, 09:41 AM	#115
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,637	Originally Posted by rockysmith76 It sounds like facts are disputed from both sides, so presuming guilt of one before that is sifted through, is hyperbolic... The place to resolve disputes of fact is a trial. A women is dead. Let a jury decide whether the cops were justified.