How Long Will Biden Last? Full Term? Two? - Page 2

RolandRat · 30th October 2020, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Never mind. Misread the post.

Aw now I'm curious, you said bacon didn't you? Bacon is always the answer.

Stacyhs · 30th October 2020, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Is Hunter another one of these NWO types that is simultaneously clever enough to pull off world wide nefarious schemes but stupid enough to take a laptop with incriminating evidence on it to a computer shop and then forget to collect it?

Yeah...just like Amanda Knox. Clever enough to clean up all her and her boyfriend's invisible DNA and fingerprints from the murder bedroom (leaving only Guede's) but not only stupid enough leave her visible blood in the bathroom but to point it and 'Sollecito's' footprint in the victim's blood out to the police. Sheesh. They want to have it both ways: the incredibly clever yet incredibly stupid criminal.

Stacyhs · 30th October 2020, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Aw now I'm curious, you said bacon didn't you? Bacon is always the answer.

No. 42 is always the answer. But I prefer bacon. Extra crispy. I thought T. Monkey was saying Pete B was a Boomer. He wasn't.

TragicMonkey · 30th October 2020, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

No. 42 is always the answer. But I prefer bacon. Extra crispy. I thought T. Monkey was saying Pete B was a Boomer. He wasn't.

Yeah, that was written a little unclear. It's Friday evening, my customary eloquence which normally reigns gloriously o'er the orderly fields of my loquacity has ebbed, leaving me disconsolate.

Bob001 · 30th October 2020, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

It's interesting to me that I remember the election of Ronald Reagan, and his campaign for re-election. A heck of a lot was made of the fact that he was the oldest president ever.

I hardly ever hear it mentioned that Trump is the oldest President ever to take office.

And of course Biden will break that record by a long way. He'll be older on his first day in office than Reagan was on his last day in office.....assuming he gets a first day in office.

Not really. Trump is 74 and obviously unhealthy. Biden is 77 and generally healthy. Not very far apart. I might wish the Dems had nominated somebody younger, but I wish the Repubs had nominated anybody else. We've got what we've got.

Bob001 · 30th October 2020, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jungle Jim

Presidents don't drive.

There are exceptions.
https://slate.com/human-interest/201...car-photo.html

Stacyhs · 30th October 2020, 07:29 PM

I think Pete B has a future in national politics. I'd like to see him run for the House or Senate and get some Federal experience under his belt. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run for POTUS again. He's brilliant.

CORed · 30th October 2020, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running, but in the last couple of months he's been delightfully sassy. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws his hat in the ring again, and I expect he'll meet with more success next time. I think whichever way this election goes, it's going to be the last of the Baby Boomers in that office.

I only really saw Buttiogieg in one of the primary debates. My impression form that was that he was a good speaker but seemed very scripted. I also don't see being mayor of South Bend Indiana as being the sort of high level executive experience i would like to see in a potential president. I haven't seen any of his recent stuff.

CORed · 30th October 2020, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I think Pete B has a future in national politics. I'd like to see him run for the House or Senate and get some Federal experience under his belt. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run for POTUS again. He's brilliant.

What I really like to see in a candidate for president is some experience as the chief executive of a large organization, such as governor of a state, general, or maybe CEO of a large corporation. Of course generals have a rather mixed record as president. Some have been pretty good, some have been horrible. A couple of the early ones (William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor) died too soon after taking office to really evaluate their abilities.

Bob001 · 30th October 2020, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

What I really like to see in a candidate for president is some experience as the chief executive of a large organization, such as governor of a state, general, or maybe CEO of a large corporation. Of course generals have a rather mixed record as president. Some have been pretty good, some have been horrible. A couple of the early ones (William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor) died too soon after taking office to really evaluate their abilities.

Governor of a large state would be great experience. But CEOs focus narrowly on making profits for stockholders, not the best training for public service. Imagine Rex Tillerson as president. And he's probably better equipped than most. Generals are accustomed to saying "Do this!," and being answered "Yessir!" Not much preparation for politics. Mattis might make a good president because of his exceptional personal qualities, not his stars. But Kelly, McMaster, Petraeus, McCrystal? Catastrophe.

DevilsAdvocate · 30th October 2020, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running

Why did you not care much for Buttigieg?

I hope when Biden wins he get a good cabinet spot. If he gets a few years older and has some experience in federal government, I think he could be the 2024 nominee and President.

He is very sharp and quick. He knows what he is doing. But I think he needs some experience.

dirtywick · 30th October 2020, 09:23 PM

Military life, especially for a general, is so different to civilian life that I don't think they really understand what it's like to be a civilian.

acbytesla · 30th October 2020, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Why did you not care much for Buttigieg?

I hope when Biden wins he get a good cabinet spot. If he gets a few years older and has some experience in federal government, I think he could be the 2024 nominee and President.

He is very sharp and quick. He knows what he is doing. But I think he needs some experience.

I didn't always aree with his political stances but I think Pete as a politician is great. I am of the belief that if Pete wasn't gay, he'd be the Democratic nominee and Trump would be down by 20 points. No Democrat that I have seen goes on FOX and regularly wipe the floor with them. And he does it with a smile.

acbytesla · 30th October 2020, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

Military life, especially for a general, is so different to civilian life that I don't think they really understand what it's like to be a civilian.

I agree with this, but what's the point? How is that relevant to Biden?

Stacyhs · 30th October 2020, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Governor of a large state would be great experience. But CEOs focus narrowly on making profits for stockholders, not the best training for public service. Imagine Rex Tillerson as president. And he's probably better equipped than most. Generals are accustomed to saying "Do this!," and being answered "Yessir!" Not much preparation for politics. Mattis might make a good president because of his exceptional personal qualities, not his stars. But Kelly, McMaster, Petraeus, McCrystal? Catastrophe.

Agreed. Being a governor is good experience. Being a general is not government experience nor is being a CEO.

angrysoba · 31st October 2020, 12:07 AM

Anyway, Brainster, scanning this thread, the answer seems to me to be:

Nobody cares!

Trump is that bad that nobody cares what comes next.

I think Sam Harris said, back in 2016, if the choice was Donald Trump, or someone in America picked completely at random then he is going with Door Number 2.

Firestone · 31st October 2020, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running, but in the last couple of months he's been delightfully sassy. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws his hat in the ring again, and I expect he'll meet with more success next time. I think whichever way this election goes, it's going to be the last of the Baby Boomers in that office.

If Biden wins, he will be the first president from the Silent generation.

Kamala Harris (born in 1964), is still a ... Baby Boomer (by 2 months, admittedly

).

Buttigieg is Generation X.

Craig4 · 31st October 2020, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running, but in the last couple of months he's been delightfully sassy. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws his hat in the ring again, and I expect he'll meet with more success next time. I think whichever way this election goes, it's going to be the last of the Baby Boomers in that office.

Mayor Pete would be a great choice for press secretary. That would give him a good national and international stage as well.

Regnad Kcin · 31st October 2020, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Why did you not care much for Buttigieg?

I hope when Biden wins he get a good cabinet spot. If he gets a few years older and has some experience in federal government, I think he could be the 2024 nominee and President.

He is very sharp and quick. He knows what he is doing. But I think he needs some experience.

Should Biden win, he’ll be a one termer (due to age), after which it’ll be Kamala in 2024. She picks Pete for VP, then after eight years he goes for the glory.

Foggy of the Fogbow · 31st October 2020, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Should Biden win, he’ll be a one termer (due to age), after which it’ll be Kamala in 2024. She picks Pete for VP, then after eight years he goes for the glory.

Works for me.

Regnad Kcin · 31st October 2020, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Foggy of the Fogbow

Works for me.

Another slightly less plausible scenario has a meteor strike taking out the entire world’s population save for Pete and Ivanka. They go neck and neck down the final stretch with the tie finally broken by the meteor.

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

If Biden wins, he will be the first president from the Silent generation.

Kamala Harris (born in 1964), is still a ... Baby Boomer (by 2 months, admittedly

).

Buttigieg is Generation X.

I go with the definition of Boomers that means post WW2 babies. Literally the baby boom from returning soldiers. Biden is the same generation as my parents. They're Boomers.

angrysoba · 31st October 2020, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I go with the definition of Boomers that means post WW2 babies. Literally the baby boom from returning soldiers. Biden is the same generation as my parents. They're Boomers.

Uhmmm Biden was born in 1942. I don't know his father's history, but which war was he returning from then?

timhau · 31st October 2020, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Biden's age might be factor if anyone that was ever even seriously considered was young. Trump's old. Bernie's old. Warren is old. The difference between 74 and 77 isn't that big of a deal.

If you compare an obese 74-year-old who can't string together coherent sentences or drink a glass of water with one hand and a trim 77-year-old who occasionally puts his foot in his mouth like he's alwsys done, the 74-year old probably isn't the top option healthwise.

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Uhmmm Biden was born in 1942. I don't know his father's history, but which war was he returning from then?

I'm no mathematician, but it seems to me, upon first perusal, that 1942 is closer to 1945 than 1964 is to 1945. I'm comfortable assigning Biden to the Boomer generation, he has more in common with the most of them than he does with Harris, or Harris with the older Boomers.

Bob001 · 31st October 2020, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Mayor Pete would be a great choice for press secretary. That would give him a good national and international stage as well.

Press secretaries are nobodies. That's a dead-end job. Better to appoint him to the cabinet, or let him get ready to run for House or Senate in 2022.

Venom · 31st October 2020, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Uhmmm Biden was born in 1942. I don't know his father's history, but which war was he returning from then?

We will probably have zero pre-WWII candidates after Biden.

I expect candidates in the Baby Boomer range for another two election cycles.

There are already plenty of Millennials who can run, but probably won't. I expect the people between Millennials and Boomers to dominate the landscape for decades to come.

Stacyhs · 31st October 2020, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Press secretaries are nobodies. That's a dead-end job. Better to appoint him to the cabinet, or let him get ready to run for House or Senate in 2022.

Agreed.

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

We will probably have zero pre-WWII candidates after Biden.

I expect candidates in the Baby Boomer range for another two election cycles.

There are already plenty of Millennials who can run, but probably won't. I expect the people between Millennials and Boomers to dominate the landscape for decades to come.

Yeah, because if there's one thing Gen X is known for, it's our deep, abiding ambition and desire to do stuff.

angrysoba · 31st October 2020, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I'm no mathematician, but it seems to me, upon first perusal, that 1942 is closer to 1945 than 1964 is to 1945. I'm comfortable assigning Biden to the Boomer generation, he has more in common with the most of them than he does with Harris, or Harris with the older Boomers.

Yeah, but closer to 1945 than 1964 makes him a Silent Generation not a Boomer.

Is there some weird Halloween tradition in the US where people in American just make irrelevant counter factual claims using weird logic and yet with a slightly patronizing tone for good measure:
“hey, Biden’s Canadian!”

“Say what?”

“I’m no cartographer but last I checked Delaware is closer to Canada than Ecuador, so he’s from Canada. You know, where Rick Moranis is from?”

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Yeah, but closer to 1945 than 1964 makes him a Silent Generation not a Boomer.

Is there some weird Halloween tradition in the US where people in American just make irrelevant counter factual claims using weird logic and yet with a slightly patronizing tone for good measure:
“hey, Biden’s Canadian!”

“Say what?”

“I’m no cartographer but last I checked Delaware is closer to Canada than Ecuador, so he’s from Canada. You know, where Rick Moranis is from?”

Sorry, I didn't realize that there were official and universally-accepted demarcation lines of who is and isn't considered part of a particular named "generation". Must be funny for Biden's siblings to be a different generation than their brother, despite sharing the same parents.

Before you can characterize something as "counter factual" you ought to be able to establish it as a fact, shouldn't you? And this business of named "generations" is hardly scientific. By its very nature it's fuzzy. Not even remotely the same thing as national borders which are indeed very, very established fact. With literal armies to back it up, in case of disagreements.

dirtywick · 31st October 2020, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I agree with this, but what's the point? How is that relevant to Biden?

lol nothing, just commenting on some other observations in the thread.

angrysoba · 31st October 2020, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Sorry, I didn't realize that there were official and universally-accepted demarcation lines of who is and isn't considered part of a particular named "generation". Must be funny for Biden's siblings to be a different generation than their brother, despite sharing the same parents.

Before you can characterize something as "counter factual" you ought to be able to establish it as a fact, shouldn't you? And this business of named "generations" is hardly scientific. By its very nature it's fuzzy. Not even remotely the same thing as national borders which are indeed very, very established fact. With literal armies to back it up, in case of disagreements.

I’m going with the definition that you used: “born post-WW2”:
And why should it be considered so ridiculous that siblings can be born in different generations?

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I go with the definition of Boomers that means post WW2 babies. Literally the baby boom from returning soldiers. Biden is the same generation as my parents. They're Boomers.

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I’m going with the definition that you used: “born post-WW2”:
And why should it be considered so ridiculous that siblings can be born in different generations?

Because that's what a generation is: your level on the family tree. Grandma, Grandpa, Great Uncle Josephette, and Great Auntie Boopsie are one generation; your parents, Uncle Fats, Uncle Gerald, and Aunt Little Boopsie are the next generation; you, your sister, your brother, and your cousins Melissa and Karyn-Mehghan are the third generation.

Do you think your brother becomes your uncle just because a particular year falls into the age gap between you?

angrysoba · 31st October 2020, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Because that's what a generation is: your level on the family tree. Grandma, Grandpa, Great Uncle Josephette, and Great Auntie Boopsie are one generation; your parents, Uncle Fats, Uncle Gerald, and Aunt Little Boopsie are the next generation; you, your sister, your brother, and your cousins Melissa and Karyn-Mehghan are the third generation.

Do you think your brother becomes your uncle just because a particular year falls into the age gap between you?

Huh? You can be older than your uncle. How does it work then?

Anyway, fine, if you want to define it that way and argue that because Biden’s siblings were boomers then he must be too, but don’t be surprised if you cause confusion when you are now changing the very definition you used to begin with. You don’t even acknowledge that you explicitly used a definition before of being born post-WW2, you just slide Trump-like into saying something completely different.

acbytesla · 31st October 2020, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Agreed. Being a governor is good experience. Being a general is not government experience nor is being a CEO.

Let's see, 12 Presidents were Generals. Seems like Generals have done OK.

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Huh? You can be older than your uncle. How does it work then?

And being older than your uncle doesn't make him part of your generation on your family tree, nor you part of his.

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Anyway, fine, if you want to define it that way and argue that because Biden’s siblings were boomers then he must be too,

That's not the reason I consider Biden a Boomer, it was an illustration meant to show how ridiculous it is to try to define generations with hard lines on particular years. The concept of named "generations" exists simply to categorize a bunch of people of roughly the same age as having characteristics in common. Biden has more in common with the Boomers than he does with the previous "generation". That's what I'm saying.

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but don’t be surprised if you cause confusion when you are now changing the very definition you used to begin with. You don’t even acknowledge that you explicitly used a definition before of being born post-WW2, you just slide Trump-like into saying something completely different.

Yeah, I'm sure that because this is a court case everyone will leap to agree with you that I am just like Trump because I consider Biden to be a Boomer, his age being close enough to the fuzzy borders generally applied to that non-scientific categorization.

Also, I call stuff "champagne" even if it wasn't made in one particular region of France! I (this will shock you, I'm sure) also refer to a particular foodstuff as "Jello" even when it's not Jello brand gelatin!

TragicMonkey · 31st October 2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Let's see, 12 Presidents were Generals. Seems like Generals have done OK.

Yeah, but most of those were old-timey presidents. Eisenhower was the most recent, right? And that was quite a while ago.

eta: I look forward the wrangle on the exact definitions of "a while" and "quite a while".

dirtywick · 31st October 2020, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Let's see, 12 Presidents were Generals. Seems like Generals have done OK.

True but it’s an antiquated qualification. Only 1 of them served during a war that wasn’t fought on horseback.

Stacyhs · 31st October 2020, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Let's see, 12 Presidents were Generals. Seems like Generals have done OK.

That doesn't mean it's good government experience*. Besides, most of them had government experience before becoming president. Grant, Taylor, and Eisenhower did not. Grant was a horrible president. We haven't had a general as POTUS since Eisenhower.

ETA: *Such as holding a governorship or being a senator.

30th October 2020, 07:08 PM	#41
RolandRat Muse Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 913	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Never mind. Misread the post. Aw now I'm curious, you said bacon didn't you? Bacon is always the answer.
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30th October 2020, 07:09 PM	#43
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,966	Originally Posted by RolandRat Aw now I'm curious, you said bacon didn't you? Bacon is always the answer. No. 42 is always the answer. But I prefer bacon. Extra crispy. I thought T. Monkey was saying Pete B was a Boomer. He wasn't.
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30th October 2020, 07:21 PM	#44
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,393	Originally Posted by Stacyhs No. 42 is always the answer. But I prefer bacon. Extra crispy. I thought T. Monkey was saying Pete B was a Boomer. He wasn't. Yeah, that was written a little unclear. It's Friday evening, my customary eloquence which normally reigns gloriously o'er the orderly fields of my loquacity has ebbed, leaving me disconsolate.
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30th October 2020, 09:16 PM	#51
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,444	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running Why did you not care much for Buttigieg? I hope when Biden wins he get a good cabinet spot. If he gets a few years older and has some experience in federal government, I think he could be the 2024 nominee and President. He is very sharp and quick. He knows what he is doing. But I think he needs some experience.
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30th October 2020, 09:23 PM	#52
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,077	Military life, especially for a general, is so different to civilian life that I don't think they really understand what it's like to be a civilian.
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30th October 2020, 07:08 PM	#42
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,966	Originally Posted by RolandRat Is Hunter another one of these NWO types that is simultaneously clever enough to pull off world wide nefarious schemes but stupid enough to take a laptop with incriminating evidence on it to a computer shop and then forget to collect it? Yeah...just like Amanda Knox. Clever enough to clean up all her and her boyfriend's invisible DNA and fingerprints from the murder bedroom (leaving only Guede's) but not only stupid enough leave her visible blood in the bathroom but to point it and 'Sollecito's' footprint in the victim's blood out to the police. Sheesh. They want to have it both ways: the incredibly clever yet incredibly stupid criminal.

30th October 2020, 07:24 PM	#45
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,606	Originally Posted by Meadmaker It's interesting to me that I remember the election of Ronald Reagan, and his campaign for re-election. A heck of a lot was made of the fact that he was the oldest president ever. I hardly ever hear it mentioned that Trump is the oldest President ever to take office. And of course Biden will break that record by a long way. He'll be older on his first day in office than Reagan was on his last day in office.....assuming he gets a first day in office. Not really. Trump is 74 and obviously unhealthy. Biden is 77 and generally healthy. Not very far apart. I might wish the Dems had nominated somebody younger, but I wish the Repubs had nominated anybody else. We've got what we've got.

30th October 2020, 07:27 PM	#46
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,606	Originally Posted by Jungle Jim Presidents don't drive. There are exceptions. https://slate.com/human-interest/201...car-photo.html

30th October 2020, 07:29 PM	#47
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,966	I think Pete B has a future in national politics. I'd like to see him run for the House or Senate and get some Federal experience under his belt. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run for POTUS again. He's brilliant.

30th October 2020, 07:38 PM	#48
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,077	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running, but in the last couple of months he's been delightfully sassy. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws his hat in the ring again, and I expect he'll meet with more success next time. I think whichever way this election goes, it's going to be the last of the Baby Boomers in that office. I only really saw Buttiogieg in one of the primary debates. My impression form that was that he was a good speaker but seemed very scripted. I also don't see being mayor of South Bend Indiana as being the sort of high level executive experience i would like to see in a potential president. I haven't seen any of his recent stuff.

30th October 2020, 07:43 PM	#49
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,077	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I think Pete B has a future in national politics. I'd like to see him run for the House or Senate and get some Federal experience under his belt. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run for POTUS again. He's brilliant. What I really like to see in a candidate for president is some experience as the chief executive of a large organization, such as governor of a state, general, or maybe CEO of a large corporation. Of course generals have a rather mixed record as president. Some have been pretty good, some have been horrible. A couple of the early ones (William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor) died too soon after taking office to really evaluate their abilities.

30th October 2020, 08:16 PM	#50
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,606	Originally Posted by CORed What I really like to see in a candidate for president is some experience as the chief executive of a large organization, such as governor of a state, general, or maybe CEO of a large corporation. Of course generals have a rather mixed record as president. Some have been pretty good, some have been horrible. A couple of the early ones (William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor) died too soon after taking office to really evaluate their abilities. Governor of a large state would be great experience. But CEOs focus narrowly on making profits for stockholders, not the best training for public service. Imagine Rex Tillerson as president. And he's probably better equipped than most. Generals are accustomed to saying "Do this!," and being answered "Yessir!" Not much preparation for politics. Mattis might make a good president because of his exceptional personal qualities, not his stars. But Kelly, McMaster, Petraeus, McCrystal? Catastrophe.

30th October 2020, 09:24 PM	#53
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,165	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Why did you not care much for Buttigieg? I hope when Biden wins he get a good cabinet spot. If he gets a few years older and has some experience in federal government, I think he could be the 2024 nominee and President. He is very sharp and quick. He knows what he is doing. But I think he needs some experience. I didn't always aree with his political stances but I think Pete as a politician is great. I am of the belief that if Pete wasn't gay, he'd be the Democratic nominee and Trump would be down by 20 points. No Democrat that I have seen goes on FOX and regularly wipe the floor with them. And he does it with a smile.
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30th October 2020, 09:26 PM	#54
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,165	Originally Posted by dirtywick Military life, especially for a general, is so different to civilian life that I don't think they really understand what it's like to be a civilian. I agree with this, but what's the point? How is that relevant to Biden?
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30th October 2020, 11:54 PM	#55
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,966	Originally Posted by Bob001 Governor of a large state would be great experience. But CEOs focus narrowly on making profits for stockholders, not the best training for public service. Imagine Rex Tillerson as president. And he's probably better equipped than most. Generals are accustomed to saying "Do this!," and being answered "Yessir!" Not much preparation for politics. Mattis might make a good president because of his exceptional personal qualities, not his stars. But Kelly, McMaster, Petraeus, McCrystal? Catastrophe. Agreed. Being a governor is good experience. Being a general is not government experience nor is being a CEO.

31st October 2020, 12:07 AM	#56
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,286	Anyway, Brainster, scanning this thread, the answer seems to me to be: Nobody cares! Trump is that bad that nobody cares what comes next. I think Sam Harris said, back in 2016, if the choice was Donald Trump, or someone in America picked completely at random then he is going with Door Number 2.
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31st October 2020, 01:41 AM	#57
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31st October 2020, 05:30 AM	#58
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,517	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I didn't care much for Buttigieg when he was running, but in the last couple of months he's been delightfully sassy. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws his hat in the ring again, and I expect he'll meet with more success next time. I think whichever way this election goes, it's going to be the last of the Baby Boomers in that office. Mayor Pete would be a great choice for press secretary. That would give him a good national and international stage as well.

31st October 2020, 06:08 AM	#59
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,236	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Why did you not care much for Buttigieg? I hope when Biden wins he get a good cabinet spot. If he gets a few years older and has some experience in federal government, I think he could be the 2024 nominee and President. He is very sharp and quick. He knows what he is doing. But I think he needs some experience. Should Biden win, he’ll be a one termer (due to age), after which it’ll be Kamala in 2024. She picks Pete for VP, then after eight years he goes for the glory.
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31st October 2020, 06:15 AM	#60
Foggy of the Fogbow Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 147	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Should Biden win, he’ll be a one termer (due to age), after which it’ll be Kamala in 2024. She picks Pete for VP, then after eight years he goes for the glory. Works for me.
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31st October 2020, 06:39 AM	#61
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,236	Originally Posted by Foggy of the Fogbow Works for me. Another slightly less plausible scenario has a meteor strike taking out the entire world’s population save for Pete and Ivanka. They go neck and neck down the final stretch with the tie finally broken by the meteor.
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31st October 2020, 07:25 AM	#62
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,393	Originally Posted by Firestone If Biden wins, he will be the first president from the Silent generation. Kamala Harris (born in 1964), is still a ... Baby Boomer (by 2 months, admittedly ). Buttigieg is Generation X. I go with the definition of Boomers that means post WW2 babies. Literally the baby boom from returning soldiers. Biden is the same generation as my parents. They're Boomers.
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31st October 2020, 07:30 AM	#63
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,286	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I go with the definition of Boomers that means post WW2 babies. Literally the baby boom from returning soldiers. Biden is the same generation as my parents. They're Boomers. Uhmmm Biden was born in 1942. I don't know his father's history, but which war was he returning from then?
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31st October 2020, 07:52 AM	#64
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 14,462	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Biden's age might be factor if anyone that was ever even seriously considered was young. Trump's old. Bernie's old. Warren is old. The difference between 74 and 77 isn't that big of a deal. If you compare an obese 74-year-old who can't string together coherent sentences or drink a glass of water with one hand and a trim 77-year-old who occasionally puts his foot in his mouth like he's alwsys done, the 74-year old probably isn't the top option healthwise.
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31st October 2020, 08:25 AM	#65
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,393	Originally Posted by angrysoba Uhmmm Biden was born in 1942. I don't know his father's history, but which war was he returning from then? I'm no mathematician, but it seems to me, upon first perusal, that 1942 is closer to 1945 than 1964 is to 1945. I'm comfortable assigning Biden to the Boomer generation, he has more in common with the most of them than he does with Harris, or Harris with the older Boomers.
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31st October 2020, 08:34 AM	#66
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,606	Originally Posted by Craig4 Mayor Pete would be a great choice for press secretary. That would give him a good national and international stage as well. Press secretaries are nobodies. That's a dead-end job. Better to appoint him to the cabinet, or let him get ready to run for House or Senate in 2022.

31st October 2020, 12:19 PM	#67
Venom Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 4,887	Originally Posted by angrysoba Uhmmm Biden was born in 1942. I don't know his father's history, but which war was he returning from then? We will probably have zero pre-WWII candidates after Biden. I expect candidates in the Baby Boomer range for another two election cycles. There are already plenty of Millennials who can run, but probably won't. I expect the people between Millennials and Boomers to dominate the landscape for decades to come.

31st October 2020, 12:23 PM	#68
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,966	Originally Posted by Bob001 Press secretaries are nobodies. That's a dead-end job. Better to appoint him to the cabinet, or let him get ready to run for House or Senate in 2022. Agreed.

31st October 2020, 01:25 PM	#69
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,393	Originally Posted by Venom We will probably have zero pre-WWII candidates after Biden. I expect candidates in the Baby Boomer range for another two election cycles. There are already plenty of Millennials who can run, but probably won't. I expect the people between Millennials and Boomers to dominate the landscape for decades to come. Yeah, because if there's one thing Gen X is known for, it's our deep, abiding ambition and desire to do stuff.
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31st October 2020, 01:35 PM	#70
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,286	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I'm no mathematician, but it seems to me, upon first perusal, that 1942 is closer to 1945 than 1964 is to 1945. I'm comfortable assigning Biden to the Boomer generation, he has more in common with the most of them than he does with Harris, or Harris with the older Boomers. Yeah, but closer to 1945 than 1964 makes him a Silent Generation not a Boomer. Is there some weird Halloween tradition in the US where people in American just make irrelevant counter factual claims using weird logic and yet with a slightly patronizing tone for good measure: “hey, Biden’s Canadian!” “Say what?” “I’m no cartographer but last I checked Delaware is closer to Canada than Ecuador, so he’s from Canada. You know, where Rick Moranis is from?”
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31st October 2020, 01:41 PM	#71
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,393	Originally Posted by angrysoba Yeah, but closer to 1945 than 1964 makes him a Silent Generation not a Boomer. Is there some weird Halloween tradition in the US where people in American just make irrelevant counter factual claims using weird logic and yet with a slightly patronizing tone for good measure: “hey, Biden’s Canadian!” “Say what?” “I’m no cartographer but last I checked Delaware is closer to Canada than Ecuador, so he’s from Canada. You know, where Rick Moranis is from?” Sorry, I didn't realize that there were official and universally-accepted demarcation lines of who is and isn't considered part of a particular named "generation". Must be funny for Biden's siblings to be a different generation than their brother, despite sharing the same parents. Before you can characterize something as "counter factual" you ought to be able to establish it as a fact, shouldn't you? And this business of named "generations" is hardly scientific. By its very nature it's fuzzy. Not even remotely the same thing as national borders which are indeed very, very established fact. With literal armies to back it up, in case of disagreements.
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31st October 2020, 01:52 PM	#72
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,077	Originally Posted by acbytesla I agree with this, but what's the point? How is that relevant to Biden? lol nothing, just commenting on some other observations in the thread.
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31st October 2020, 01:56 PM	#73
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,286	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Sorry, I didn't realize that there were official and universally-accepted demarcation lines of who is and isn't considered part of a particular named "generation". Must be funny for Biden's siblings to be a different generation than their brother, despite sharing the same parents. Before you can characterize something as "counter factual" you ought to be able to establish it as a fact, shouldn't you? And this business of named "generations" is hardly scientific. By its very nature it's fuzzy. Not even remotely the same thing as national borders which are indeed very, very established fact. With literal armies to back it up, in case of disagreements. I’m going with the definition that you used: “born post-WW2”: And why should it be considered so ridiculous that siblings can be born in different generations? Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I go with the definition of Boomers that means post WW2 babies. Literally the baby boom from returning soldiers. Biden is the same generation as my parents. They're Boomers.
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31st October 2020, 02:08 PM	#74
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,393	Originally Posted by angrysoba I’m going with the definition that you used: “born post-WW2”: And why should it be considered so ridiculous that siblings can be born in different generations? Because that's what a generation is: your level on the family tree. Grandma, Grandpa, Great Uncle Josephette, and Great Auntie Boopsie are one generation; your parents, Uncle Fats, Uncle Gerald, and Aunt Little Boopsie are the next generation; you, your sister, your brother, and your cousins Melissa and Karyn-Mehghan are the third generation. Do you think your brother becomes your uncle just because a particular year falls into the age gap between you?
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31st October 2020, 02:15 PM	#75
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,286	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Because that's what a generation is: your level on the family tree. Grandma, Grandpa, Great Uncle Josephette, and Great Auntie Boopsie are one generation; your parents, Uncle Fats, Uncle Gerald, and Aunt Little Boopsie are the next generation; you, your sister, your brother, and your cousins Melissa and Karyn-Mehghan are the third generation. Do you think your brother becomes your uncle just because a particular year falls into the age gap between you? Huh? You can be older than your uncle. How does it work then? Anyway, fine, if you want to define it that way and argue that because Biden’s siblings were boomers then he must be too, but don’t be surprised if you cause confusion when you are now changing the very definition you used to begin with. You don’t even acknowledge that you explicitly used a definition before of being born post-WW2, you just slide Trump-like into saying something completely different.
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