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Old 2nd January 2021, 12:33 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Basically Trump threw the Palestinians under the bus to get whatever it is you think is a big deal.
The Palestinians aren't actually any worse off with these deals than they were without. They could have been part of this. They could have gotten something out of it.

They chose not to. That's not Trump's fault. Nor is it wrong of him to leave them behind when others are willing to move forward.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 12:41 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The Palestinians aren't actually any worse off with these deals than they were without. They could have been part of this. They could have gotten something out of it.
You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
1. He promoted the US Cyber Command to full combatant command. This is the one movie I will actually say I fully "Like." The government has been far too long in seeing our nation's cyber defense structure as a valid, integrated part of national defense and getting rid of the US Cyber Command's weird half structure dual hat setup that made doing anything impossible because you had two completely separate chains of command is a huge step in fixing that.
Right, the cyber security that allowed one of the biggest hacks of government networks to happen.
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You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?
Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 12:58 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
For me, a lot of this comes down to "What if Obama did it?"

1.) If Obama did Space Force with all the references to Star Trek and other SF. Would we say, "LOL! Stooooopid!" Or would we say, "That's so cool! It's almost Elon Musk-eque and no one has a problem with that!" So let's give Trump that one.
Depends on which "we" you are referring to. And this presumes Obama would have been stooopid enough to waste time and money on it.

The whole thing IMO was Trump wanting to appear like JFK. I believe Trump made a few attempts to get excitement for putting people on Mars.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:06 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Kushner's greatest achievement in the Middle East was to force Qatar into leasing his devil building for 99 years for $1.1 billion.
There has never been a greater act of corruption in US politics in terms of shear size.
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the colossal size of Trump personal grifting necessitates mention. The details won't fit on the page.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:10 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
So you don’t have any actual knowledge. You have second hand reporting of the opinions of people whom you don’t know if they have any insider knowledge, let alone what their motives are to spin it in whatever direction they want to, and you would have no idea.


Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:11 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
You don't know that. Why are you pretending to know what you don't actually know?
Touché.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:32 PM   #49
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Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.
How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:54 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.
You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:55 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.
Well, no. Public declarations of actions are known.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 01:55 PM   #52
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You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.
Nonsense.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 03:03 PM   #53
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His big highlights (prior to Covid)

Tax cuts.
Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules)
Tax cuts.
He really ticked off liberals.
Tax cuts.
Beating the phony impeachment charges.
Tax cuts.
Three conservatives on the Supreme Court

And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children.

ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 03:25 PM   #54
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i guess it's not surprising there's so little to talk about. the guy didn't really have a coherent agenda.

tax cuts
judiciary reform
USMCA
deregulation

and i'm not even sure how much of the deregulation was done via executive order. there's really not much of a lasting legacy there, aside from the tax cuts. even those will have to be revisited sooner rather than later.

he mostly spent a lot of time trying to put out fires he started.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Well, no. Public declarations of actions are known.
Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay".

Got it.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 05:20 PM   #56
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Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay".

Got it.
No, it's proof. Secret Proof. Sooper Seekrit Proof! Like the proof that Obama is a thinskinned narcissist but Trump is not.
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Old 2nd January 2021, 08:51 PM   #57
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Because that's what happens every time. The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It's a consistent pattern.
You have no insider knowledge, and are in no position to make that declaration. You say that because you can't conceive of it any other way, not because you actually have any evidence to that effect.
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Old 3rd January 2021, 06:19 AM   #58
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You also need to consider what he said he wanted to accomplish.

Two of his major campaigning policies were “the wall” and healthcare - he failed at both of those.

Another policy promise was removing many environmental protection regulations - he succeeded at that.
Did he drain the swamp, or lock her up?
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Did he drain the swamp, or lock her up?
If I recall correctly Clinton dropped dead after she rang President-elect Trump or just before. And the new Swamp Trump Golf course and Hair Salon will be opening in the summer.
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
His big highlights (prior to Covid)

Tax cuts.
Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules)
Tax cuts.
He really ticked off liberals.
Tax cuts.
Beating the phony impeachment charges.
Tax cuts.
Three conservatives on the Supreme Court

And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children.

ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.
And destroying America.
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And destroying America.
We had to destroy America in order to save it.
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Ah. So you can use those and it's "fact", but when I do, it's "hearsay".

Got it.
People telling you what they themselves are doing is quite a bit different than other people trying to describe what went on behind closed doors that they were not actually privy to.
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I see the Trumpers are trying to get their groove back.
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We had to destroy America in order to save it.
That is such an appropriate reference for the last four years.
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People telling you what they themselves are doing is quite a bit different than other people trying to describe what went on behind closed doors that they were not actually privy to.
Interesting. What exactly that you have been claiming as fact have you personally been privy to?

Nothing?
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He was instrumental in securing the election success of the first Black U.S. Senator from the state of Georgia. Without Trump's unyielding efforts, it might not have happened.
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He was instrumental in securing the election success of the first Black U.S. Senator from the state of Georgia. Without Trump's unyielding efforts, it might not have happened.
In the same vein, thanks to Trump's tireless efforts these last weeks, a Socialist will be the head of the Senate Budget Committee.
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No matter what you say about Trump, he made the trains run on time.
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In the same vein, thanks to Trump's tireless efforts these last weeks, a Socialist will be the head of the Senate Budget Committee.
He broke a 10 year run where the GOP controlled the House, the Senate or both.
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His big highlights (prior to Covid)

Tax cuts.
Deregulation. (Especially environmental rules)
Tax cuts.
He really ticked off liberals.
Tax cuts.
Beating the phony impeachment charges.
Tax cuts.
Three conservatives on the Supreme Court

And, the thing about tax cuts is he figured out how to avoid some of the nasty political fallout. All you have to do is skip the accompanying spending cuts. Past Republicans have cut taxes a lot, and cut spending a little. This made people mad because they didn't want anyone to cut spending. So, Trump didn't. It's a win-win for everyone except our children.

ETA: I forgot moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and tax cuts.
Why do you hate America so much? The GOP is a relic, hanging on due to rural states, many of only survive by the subsidies by the federal gov't they hate so much.

The 1950s are not coming back, despite Trump. He will be the last GOP president for quite a while.

Adapt to our overpopulated planet or there is no future.
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Oh for pity's sake. By that standard almost nothing on the whole forum is supported by evidence.
Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You have stumbled upon the unspoken truth of the politics forum.
Yep
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How do you know that? You don't live there and haven't been involved in their lives. So you can't say why they do what they do or not.
He knows in his heart that what he says is true because Palestinians are evil...
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An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.
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An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.
Yes, quite an unpresidented achievement.

Before the mob stormed the congress building, and not even this was enough to make Drumpf stop spouting his conspiratorial nonsense, I took solace in that Biden would take over in two weeks. Sure, thousands of people die from covid every day, but other than that, how much damage could he do.

Now two weeks seems like a very, very long time.
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Yes, quite an unpresidented achievement.



Before the mob stormed the congress building, and not even this was enough to make Drumpf stop spouting his conspiratorial nonsense, I took solace in that Biden would take over in two weeks. Sure, thousands of people die from covid every day, but other than that, how much damage could he do.



Now two weeks seems like a very, very long time.
And he's not going to stop!
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An actual coup attempt with morons storming the capitol. Now there's a unique presidential achievement. I hope you Trumpers are proud.
Trump might be the only president to be both impeached, and removed from office via the 25th amendment. (Well, that's what current rumors are saying... take with a grain of salt.)
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No matter what you say about Trump, he made the trains run on time.
Actually, he tried to slash Amtrak's budget, so he failed there too.
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Trump might be the only president to be both impeached, and removed from office via the 25th amendment. (Well, that's what current rumors are saying... take with a grain of salt.)
Won't happen IMO, there's too much support for President Trump among the GOP rank and file for senior Republicans to break ranks over something so trivial as this.

Threatening to reverse tax cuts or increasing stimulus payments to the poor OTOH.....
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He committed a number of crimes, inspired racists, lied as if there were some sort of contest, pissed on the constitution, **** on the environment, fomented insurrection and sedition, and got away with it. Plus he made America a laughingstock over and over and over.

So yeah, he accomplished a lot, none of it good.


ETA: Oh yeah, he survived an impeachment. 25th, now.

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But his greatest accomplishment:

He totally demolished James Buchanan in the contest for the Worst President.
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