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Old 21st January 2021, 03:08 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
A quick review will reveal my post begins as a reply to another. How I begin or end depends on where I intend to go within that post as my personal literary choice. You may be a bit behind as the response and the hypothetical was not addressed to you. You can choose to like it or not but there it is.

I can feel something from your multiple replies to my posts that seems like a seething desire to scorn a Trump supporter. By all means feel free to play. I'm not here at the ICF as a Conservative because I fear debate....

I voted Trump in 2016, 2020, and I'll likely vote for him in 2024 if he runs.
Let me see if I can muster up some surprise.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................


Nope.
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Old 21st January 2021, 03:22 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Let me see if I can muster up some surprise.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................


Nope.
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Old 21st January 2021, 03:26 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
A quick review will reveal my post begins as a reply to another. How I begin or end depends on where I intend to go within that post as my personal literary choice. You may be a bit behind as the response and the hypothetical was not addressed to you. You can choose to like it or not but there it is.
Lying is a literary choice now?

I think you could make a case that it is a lifestyle choice, but probably not one I would aspire to.

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I can feel something from your multiple replies to my posts that seems like a seething desire to scorn a Trump supporter. By all means feel free to play. I'm not here at the ICF as a Conservative because I fear debate....
No, I have no desire to scorn you. And I don't really think you intend to debate in an honest way. Especially since you seem to think lying is a literary choice.

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I voted Trump in 2016, 2020, and I'll likely vote for him in 2024 if he runs.
And there is another reason I don't expect the truth to matter much to you. I don't intend to debate with someone who believes alternative facts and thinks lying is the best way to start a post. But I may still step in to point out when I see post with lies in it. Not always, that would be too exhausting, but occasionally, if I have the time.
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Old 21st January 2021, 03:43 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Meanwhile, in other inauguration day news....


‘We Are Ungovernable’

C'mon, man - trust the plan.

So plan C didn't work either. What are y'all up to now? Are we at plan D, E, or F yet?
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Old 21st January 2021, 03:57 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Lying is a literary choice now?

I think you could make a case that it is a lifestyle choice, but probably not one I would aspire to.



No, I have no desire to scorn you. And I don't really think you intend to debate in an honest way. Especially since you seem to think lying is a literary choice.



And there is another reason I don't expect the truth to matter much to you. I don't intend to debate with someone who believes alternative facts and thinks lying is the best way to start a post. But I may still step in to point out when I see post with lies in it. Not always, that would be too exhausting, but occasionally, if I have the time.
This isn't exactly surprising when he plans to support Trump who is now on record for having told over 30,000 lies or misleading statements during his time in office.
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Old 21st January 2021, 04:23 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Meanwhile, in other inauguration day news....

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January 20, 2021

Antifa in Seattle and Portland Smash Property, Oppose Biden and Police:
‘We Are Ungovernable’


https://www.theepochtimes.com/antifa...g-2021-01-21-1
‘We Are Ungovernable’
I suppose the Epoch Times may actually tell the truth sometimes, (rarely), but I would not count on it.

Referring to them has a source does you no good Bubba.
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Old 21st January 2021, 04:24 PM   #207
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Interesting how much faith Bubba puts in a decidedly non-Christian Chinese cult.
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Old 21st January 2021, 04:27 PM   #208
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This isn't exactly surprising when he plans to support Trump who is now on record for having told over 30,000 lies or misleading statements during his time in office.
Not to mention inciting a mob of seditionists who stormed the Capitol building with the intent of overturning a legal, democratic election, and elements of which wanted to murder elected officials for the crime of not being trump enough.

So there's that too.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
It's a statement of fact.

Which was my point. That Trump has lowered the bar so much that anyone who isn't him brings tears to people's eyes.
How rich do you think Joe is?
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Old 21st January 2021, 04:50 PM   #210
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I wonder if there is a difference between hiring/placing the best qualified person for the job regardless of skin color as opposed to the best qualified person of a certain skin color for that job.

Seems that one would attain the best person for the job without race being a factor and the other way makes the person a "token" position for their particular race. Which of the two would seem more racist to you?


Or viewed another way. Say we take out a few hiring ads in a local paper.

One ad reads: "Seeking qualified individuals for specific job. All applications considered regardless of race."

To me, this first ad would be the way to go. Skin color is not considered.

And the other: "Seeking qualified White person for specific job. Other races need not apply."

Yikes!

Does one of those seem racist to you?

Or yet another: "Seeking qualified Black person for specific job. Other races need not apply."

Yikes!

To me only the first ad was acceptable as non racist. How you view the others is up to you I suppose.

Setting an example of token positions sends a message and it is akin to two of those hypothetical ads I find unacceptable for the same reasons.
What makes one qualified? My experience is there are a lot of people of color that are simply denied opportunities because of their color. Does a degree from an Ivy league school make one more qualified then if you graduated from Howard or Grambling?

I worked in the Tech sector for 30 years and the number of African Americans I worked with could be counted on 2 hands. I remember applying for the same position as an African American friend of mine. He was far smarter than me and yet I got the job. The only explanation for that was his color. Not that the people doing the hiring were deliberately racist, just that they chose the person whom they were comfortable with. The person who looked like them.
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Old 21st January 2021, 05:39 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I can feel something from your multiple replies to my posts that seems like a seething desire to scorn a Trump supporter. By all means feel free to play. I'm not here at the ICF as a Conservative because I fear debate....
As I see it, it's not personalization to contradict a lie. Dr. Keith made a factual statement and then you get to act scorned because by implication he's calling you a liar when you were, in fact, lying.

I think it's a reasonable inference that you were probably lying because "conservatives" here overwhelmingly favor dishonest tactics.

ETA: Played with word choice.

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Old 21st January 2021, 05:46 PM   #212
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Fortunately the presidential nominees were both old white men; you don't want to go overboard with diversity.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 02:00 AM   #213
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It's been fun over the last couple of days to watch Trump supporters (including senator Rand Paul) being outraged over Biden attacking them in his inauguration speech, when what Biden actually condemned was white supremacists.

Saying a little more than they intended, perhaps.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 07:38 AM   #215
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Meanwhile, in other inauguration day news....


‘We Are Ungovernable’
I read somewhere on the internet that those were actually QAnonists masquerading as antifa. Classic false flag.
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C'mon, man - trust the plan.

So plan C didn't work either. What are y'all up to now? Are we at plan D, E, or F yet?
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I wonder if there is a difference between hiring/placing the best qualified person for the job regardless of skin color as opposed to the best qualified person of a certain skin color for that job.



Seems that one would attain the best person for the job without race being a factor and the other way makes the person a "token" position for their particular race. Which of the two would seem more racist to you?





Or viewed another way. Say we take out a few hiring ads in a local paper.



One ad reads: "Seeking qualified individuals for specific job. All applications considered regardless of race."



To me, this first ad would be the way to go. Skin color is not considered.



And the other: "Seeking qualified White person for specific job. Other races need not apply."



Yikes!



Does one of those seem racist to you?



Or yet another: "Seeking qualified Black person for specific job. Other races need not apply."



Yikes!



To me only the first ad was acceptable as non racist. How you view the others is up to you I suppose.



Setting an example of token positions sends a message and it is akin to two of those hypothetical ads I find unacceptable for the same reasons.
This is what unconscious "systemic" racism looks like.
It's not always evil, not even intentional.
But it's effects linger. Generationaly.
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Oh, they have rationalizations .



Q has the flu, and has delayed the coup. They'll try again on March 20th.

Biden wasn't really sworn in, Trump will continue as "shadow president".

Biden is Q.



I'm just wondering how many people will stick with them. Like when a sect gathers in the corn field on the date they've been anticipating, and the mothership doesn't appear.
The problem is QAnon is so inclusive.
They sucked in large swaths of so many CTs/groups that previously would have at best ignored each other.
It has, as they say, a "big tent".
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True, but a correct beginning to the hypothetical.
No. You're looking at it from inside.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Meanwhile, in other inauguration day news....


‘We Are Ungovernable’
Brah... I'd love a more reliable source.
Please tell me it was more than eight protesters and $6,000 in damage.

And hey... welcome back. Gonna stick around? Lots of q crap to dig up and compost. Lend a hand?
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
A quick review will reveal my post begins as a reply to another. How I begin or end depends on where I intend to go within that post as my personal literary choice. You may be a bit behind as the response and the hypothetical was not addressed to you. You can choose to like it or not but there it is.



I can feel something from your multiple replies to my posts that seems like a seething desire to scorn a Trump supporter. By all means feel free to play. I'm not here at the ICF as a Conservative because I fear debate....



I voted Trump in 2016, 2020, and I'll likely vote for him in 2024 if he runs.
Uh... what's the ICF?

*checks keyboard* nope, not getting it.
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Interesting how much faith Bubba puts in a decidedly non-Christian Chinese cult.
I thought they were the poster boys for the "war on c (sorry) Christianity".
See... poison gas one subway train... and everyone turns against you. Oops.
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What makes one qualified? My experience is there are a lot of people of color that are simply denied opportunities because of their color. Does a degree from an Ivy league school make one more qualified then if you graduated from Howard or Grambling?



I worked in the Tech sector for 30 years and the number of African Americans I worked with could be counted on 2 hands. I remember applying for the same position as an African American friend of mine. He was far smarter than me and yet I got the job. The only explanation for that was his color. Not that the people doing the hiring were deliberately racist, just that they chose the person whom they were comfortable with. The person who looked like them.
Thats the core of what my first reply a few posts upthread meant. It's unconscious and systemic. Not evil, but "soft" racism all the same.

And I really dont want a seven week back and forth with no resolution just explaining that. As would be expected.

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Fortunately the presidential nominees were both old white men; you don't want to go overboard with diversity.
Yeah, someone (?) upthread desired only young folk to govern.
As an almost oldie, I see both the upside and the downside.
I lean towards the younger side (in moderation).
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I am glad our mockery about you being gone for x weeks after 20 Jan caused you to be back so quickly after your dreams dashed.



It is pretty much first time I agree with ChrisBFRPKY, at least as he wrote. I consider quotas, gender parity, etc as feel-good measures that won't actually do anything except fulfilling ideological wankery of left.

Actual problem is equality (or rather lack of it) of opportunity, lack of social mobility, increasing wealth inequality etc. Gender/race/whatever quotas are, at best, small pink bandaid on gaping wound.
Most jobs (And especially elected political positions) involve a lot of qualities for qualification that are incommensurate.

To say "who is the most qualified" past a certain point, tends to involve a fair amount of subjective calls.

Let's imagine we had no active racism in the world. No one hates or judges based on the color of skin, people are trying to be chill and objective, but otherwise the world looks like it does right now.

I think we still have a problem because even absent active racial animosity, people tend to gravitate to hire people who feel familiar, who share a speaking style, a dress style, a cultural background. When you get into the subjective realm, as all hiring does, those gut feelings even with a best effort to be objective, are going tofall along race lines to some extent. Who feels likely to "fit in" in the office culture? Someone from the same culture.

People also get jobs because of people they know. People their family knows, people they met through school growing up or through college, people who lived in their neighborhood.

But our neighborhoods tend to break around race lines. So do our schools. And of course families, duh.

And there are racial disparities with who is in a hiring position. We don't need to analyze how we got here or argue about how it came to be to recognize that there are disparities along race lines of who runs companies, who is in a hiring position in lucrative careers, and yes, who is in political office.

The point is that even without any active racism, the system is set up in such a way that a sincere attempt at meritocracy and "ignoring race" would still inevitably favor people of the same race as the people already holding power and influence to a greater degree. That's why I don't have too much of a problem with recognizing race among the many incommensurate qualities. Failing to do so is a compounding disadvantage for peope who have been historically marginalized.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
It's been fun over the last couple of days to watch Trump supporters (including senator Rand Paul) being outraged over Biden attacking them in his inauguration speech, when what Biden actually condemned was white supremacists.

Saying a little more than they intended, perhaps.
Oh please, gift us a link to highlights if you have any.
He's such an ******* tool (it's generational, I see).

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I read somewhere on the internet that those were actually QAnonists masquerading as antifa. Classic false flag.
I read that as well... just now.
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
Most jobs (And especially elected political positions) involve a lot of qualities for qualification that are incommensurate.



To say "who is the most qualified" past a certain point, tends to involve a fair amount of subjective calls.



Let's imagine we had no active racism in the world. No one hates or judges based on the color of skin, people are trying to be chill and objective, but otherwise the world looks like it does right now.



I think we still have a problem because even absent active racial animosity, people tend to gravitate to hire people who feel familiar, who share a speaking style, a dress style, a cultural background. When you get into the subjective realm, as all hiring does, those gut feelings even with a best effort to be objective, are going tofall along race lines to some extent. Who feels likely to "fit in" in the office culture? Someone from the same culture.



People also get jobs because of people they know. People their family knows, people they met through school growing up or through college, people who lived in their neighborhood.



But our neighborhoods tend to break around race lines. So do our schools. And of course families, duh.



And there are racial disparities with who is in a hiring position. We don't need to analyze how we got here or argue about how it came to be to recognize that there are disparities along race lines of who runs companies, who is in a hiring position in lucrative careers, and yes, who is in political office.



The point is that even without any active racism, the system is set up in such a way that a sincere attempt at meritocracy and "ignoring race" would still inevitably favor people of the same race as the people already holding power and influence to a greater degree. That's why I don't have too much of a problem with recognizing race among the many incommensurate qualities. Failing to do so is a compounding disadvantage for peope who have been historically marginalized.


Well put.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 12:54 PM   #229
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
Let's imagine we had no active racism in the world. No one hates or judges based on the color of skin, people are trying to be chill and objective, but otherwise the world looks like it does right now.

I think we still have a problem because even absent active racial animosity, people tend to gravitate to hire people who feel familiar, who share a speaking style, a dress style, a cultural background. When you get into the subjective realm, as all hiring does, those gut feelings even with a best effort to be objective, are going tofall along race lines to some extent. Who feels likely to "fit in" in the office culture? Someone from the same culture. (...)
While I agree some sort of quota would address this issue...

...I will say that in my opinion there are more pressing issues than "people tend to gravitate to hire people who feel familiar, who share a speaking style, a dress style, a cultural background".
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Old 22nd January 2021, 03:14 PM   #230
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
I read that as well... just now.
"People are saying!"


I just read some guy on the internet saying he read it too... so it's not just me.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 03:19 PM   #231
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
While I agree some sort of quota would address this issue...

...I will say that in my opinion there are more pressing issues than "people tend to gravitate to hire people who feel familiar, who share a speaking style, a dress style, a cultural background".
Those aren't the issues directly, they're just some parts of a long chain of seemingly benign circumstances that will result in white dudes hiring other white dudes.

There's not much that can be done about those less tangible evaluations and biases. That's why I think that correcting somewhere else in the process makes sense.

It's why race blindness is going to favor the race that's the majority and happens to already be in positions of power.
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Old 24th January 2021, 11:27 PM   #232
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Lying is a literary choice now?

I think you could make a case that it is a lifestyle choice, but probably not one I would aspire to.



No, I have no desire to scorn you. And I don't really think you intend to debate in an honest way. Especially since you seem to think lying is a literary choice.



And there is another reason I don't expect the truth to matter much to you. I don't intend to debate with someone who believes alternative facts and thinks lying is the best way to start a post. But I may still step in to point out when I see post with lies in it. Not always, that would be too exhausting, but occasionally, if I have the time.
Please feel free to point out any lie within my post by quoting it and placing highlites. After which we can have a discussion of your objections and how they may or may not apply.

Please be clear and to the point with your concerns for all to see.
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Old 24th January 2021, 11:34 PM   #233
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
Uh... what's the ICF?

*checks keyboard* nope, not getting it.
Sorry, it's what I get for having an overactive index finger and not taking the time to proofread a post. *ISF
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Old 26th January 2021, 11:31 AM   #234
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Please feel free to point out any lie within my post by quoting it and placing highlites. After which we can have a discussion of your objections and how they may or may not apply.

Please be clear and to the point with your concerns for all to see.
Sure, but I already did:

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY
I wonder if there is a difference between hiring/placing the best qualified person for the job regardless of skin color as opposed to the best qualified person of a certain skin color for that job.
This is a lie. You do not in fact wonder. You admitted as much.

Based on your posting history I believe it would be more honest of you to say:
I believe there is an important difference between hiring/placing the best qualified person for the job regardless of skin color as opposed to the best qualified person of a certain skin color for that job.
This appears to be a stylistic choice of yours. It makes your posts less clear. Maybe that is your intent, I do not know. But, the cloak of lying for stylistic purposes is hardly a shield against criticism of both form and function.
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It's a pretty sad statement on where we are right now that the appointment of a centre-right rich old white man as president has people in tears but I guess we should be thankful for small mercies at the moment. it could have been a lot worse.
I shall repeat what another said because it needs repeating over and over.

You frame* an elected official who won by more than 6 million votes, "appointed". No, Biden was elected.

And as for the "rich old white man", no, that's who we got rid of. (And yes, I meant how I framed that.)



*Frame as in how one words something to convey a message.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I shall repeat what another said because it needs repeating over and over.

You frame* an elected official who won by more than 6 7 million votes, "appointed". No, Biden was elected.

And as for the "rich old white man", no, that's who we got rid of. (And yes, I meant how I framed that.)



*Frame as in how one words something to convey a message.
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
I thought they were the poster boys for the "war on c (sorry) Christianity".
See... poison gas one subway train... and everyone turns against you. Oops.
If I remember right, that wasn't eh Falun Gong...it was another cult, Japanese this time: Aum Sin Ri Kyu (If I remember correctly). Or was that some martial art technique?
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If I remember right, that wasn't eh Falun Gong...it was another cult, Japanese this time: Aum Sin Ri Kyu (If I remember correctly). Or was that some martial art technique?
Those were the ones.
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How rich do you think Joe is?
Richer than pretty much everyone who voted for him?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I shall repeat what another said because it needs repeating over and over.

You frame* an elected official who won by more than 6 million votes, "appointed". No, Biden was elected.

And as for the "rich old white man", no, that's who we got rid of. (And yes, I meant how I framed that.)



*Frame as in how one words something to convey a message.
He was elected on election day, and appointed President on inauguration day.

And yes he is a rich old white man.
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