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22nd October 2017, 03:58 AM | #3361 |
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I agree the media provided very effective PR for the prosecution in several ways. The prosecution had friendly journalists such as John Follain. To the best of my knowledge the mainstream media never covered the massive level of corruption by the police/prosecution described in the links below.
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contam...bwork-coverup/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredi...ry-corruption/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-...irs-apartment/ https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com/...ele-sollecito/ http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html Besides the falsehoods fed to the media, the media told their own falsehoods as detailed in the links below http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/amanda-knox-media-lies/ A lot of the media coverage towards Amanda was very hostile as detailed below http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/media.html Despite the conduct of the media, TJMK complained the media was biased in Amanda’s favour. It shows how stupid and deluded PGP are. If as Vixen constantly claims, there was a mountain of evidence and a strong case against Amanda and Raffaele, why did the prosecution had to resort to spreading false information to the media regarding bleach receipts, the washing machine running, the Harry Potter books and showering in a bloody bathroom. Why resort to numerous lies if the prosecution had so much evidence and a slam dunk case. There is a golden rule that the prosecution should never have to resort to lying if they have a slam dunk case. The relationship between the media and the prosecution shows the industrial scale hypocrisy of the PGP. They complain about Amanda’s family using a PR firm but had no problem when the media provided effective PR for corrupt prosecutors. Vixen constantly bangs on about Amanda and Raffaele telling umpteen lies but PGP had no problem with the prosecutors leaking umpteen lies to the media and the media spreading lies about Amanda. |
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Here are some other articles of the Italian Constitution that were violated in the AK - RS case. (There may be other articles in addition to Art. 111 and those in this listing which were violated but which are not included in this listing.)
Art. 24 Anyone may bring cases before a court of law in order to protect their rights under civil and administrative law. Defense is an inviolable right at every stage and instance of legal proceedings.* The poor are entitled by law to proper means for action or defense in all courts. The law shall define the conditions and forms of reparation in case of judicial errors. Art. 25 No case may be removed from the court seized with it as established by law. No punishment may be inflicted except by virtue of a law in force at the time the offence was committed. No restriction may be placed on a person's liberty save for as provided by law.*** Art. 27 Criminal responsibility is personal. A defendant shall be considered not guilty until a final sentence has been passed.**** Punishments may not be inhuman and shall aim at re-educating the convicted. Death penalty is prohibited. Art. 28 Officials of the State or public agencies shall be directly responsible under criminal, civil, and administrative law for acts committed in violation of rights. In such cases, civil liability shall extend to the State and to such public agency.***** *According to ECHR case-law, legal proceedings in a criminal case include the first questioning of a suspect by the authorities. **According to ECHR case-law, such laws of compensation are not to be applied in an arbitrary fashion or in a way that violates the presumption of innocence. ***According to ECHR case-law, there must be reasonable suspicion to arrest and detain a person. The arrest is a violation of the Convention unless the grounds of the arrest satisfy both domestic (that is, Italian) law and the case-law of the ECHR under Article 5. ****Violated by the use of the verdict of Guede's short-track trial against Knox and Sollecito. *****No compensation has been awarded yet to Knox or Sollecito for the violations of their defense rights. |
22nd October 2017, 07:43 AM | #3363 |
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Does this mean that you defend congresswoman Frederica S. Wilson's calling out Trump for his call to the family of the killed soldier, Sgt. La David Johnson? That, in and of itself, was a despicable attack against someone calling to offer condolences, no matter how well it was handled. |
22nd October 2017, 09:06 AM | #3364 |
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Meanwhile, no one is talking about the Benghazi-like bungling of the administration. Trump pivoted into a discussion of "calling Gold Star families" when asked why he'd not addressed the tragedy in Niger.
Which is the parallel to this thread. Instead of talking about there not being any forensics for 2 of the three accused at the crimescene, let's talk about cartwheels and judicial truths from other trials. |
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22nd October 2017, 10:35 AM | #3365 |
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The point was truthfulness. I thought the Congresswoman was petty But just as petty was Trump's response to the Congresswoman and even more petty was his attack on former Presidents. Kelly was just proof how low people will go in apologizing for the President. A career General got up and lied for the President? Isn't that despicable? Isn't it despicable that Trump lied about former US Presidents not calling the loved ones?
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22nd October 2017, 12:52 PM | #3366 |
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I coulda swore people said they were going to quit the Trump bashing in this thread. I guess when you can't stand someone, it makes you feel good to publicly slam them, right Vixen?
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22nd October 2017, 01:09 PM | #3372 |
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22nd October 2017, 01:11 PM | #3373 |
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22nd October 2017, 01:15 PM | #3374 |
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The police and the prosecutors are establishment. They get to enforce the law.
There would be no sense prosecuting someone unless you have a fair chance of success. It's not law enforcement if you don't catch the right people. The police and the prosecutors don't have a say in determining the verdict. |
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22nd October 2017, 01:19 PM | #3375 |
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It is slam dunk the pair committed the crime and there is a mountain of evidence. The merits court found them guilty on evidence BARD and the appeal court upheld the conviction.
Marasca clearly state they annulled the case because of the press coverage and because of flaws in the investigation, neither of which were legal issues in the first place. Marasca did confirm the kids lied and lied and lied, were there at the murder when it happened, washed off the victim's blood and did cover up for Rudy. |
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22nd October 2017, 02:21 PM | #3376 |
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Every once in a while the PGP-PR effort badly shows its hand. Defend Mignini even if you have to lie to do it.
During the 2009 trial where he was the prosecutor, Mignini himself was facing criminal abuse of office allegations to do with the Narducci affair. Following his prosecutorial role in the Kercher trials, he was sanctioned for denying Sollecito his rights at interrogation. One of the main agendas of the PGP-PR machine is to defend Mignini. It would be better if they did it without lying. Note - after saying there was "no evidence" the campaign will turn to "disputing" this. Which begs the question..... |
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22nd October 2017, 02:34 PM | #3378 |
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22nd October 2017, 02:58 PM | #3379 |
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Yes, it was a slam dunk case with tons of evidence, and everyone that posts here besides you is a delusional moron, but by astonishing coincidence reality has deemed to satisfy our delusions by making the case play out exactly how one would have expected it to play out if it was based on piss poor evidence and prosecution/judicial malfeasance, with multiple acquittals and esteemed outsider consensus that the case was bad. What horrible luck that the physical outcome subverts and defies your secretly correct world view. That is definitely what is going on. Rofl.
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22nd October 2017, 03:28 PM | #3380 |
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22nd October 2017, 03:38 PM | #3382 |
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As I said, you've never come right out and said it but you have implied it many times as your quotes show. Just come out and clear this up with a simple "yes" or "no" answer; do you believe Knox used cocaine?
Ummm...he was not her boyfriend. Nice try there and oh so typical. There is no evidence she ever saw him again after that train trip and evening they spent at the same hotel. Or do you think a dinner (shared with her sister) and doing some heavy petting later constitutes a boyfriend relationship? If so, you have a very peculiar definition of what a boyfriend is. |
22nd October 2017, 03:44 PM | #3383 |
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I'm an independent person in my own right. Nick believes cocaine consumption was a factor in the crime.
All I know about is the hashish, which is not a substance that is associated with violence. My view of the crime is that it was a sadistic 'thrill killing' and if drugs were involved, they would be as a facilitator, not the trigger. Rather in the same way the WM3 drank beer and whiskey to loosen their inhibitions. Since I believe the murderers have a personality disorder, the secondary issue of 'what drugs were they on' is not particularly relevant. |
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LOL! And that's why Amazon suspended his account until he removed the relevant content?
As I said (and which you ignore): if something is published on the internet (as Pruett's timeline was)) then an author has every legal right to use it as long as it is correctly and legally cited. Whether Pruett wanted it included in vdL's book or not would not have mattered. And Amazon would have had no cause to suspend his account. No matter how often and how loud you proclaim otherwise, those are the facts. |
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What evidence does Nick base his claim on? Nothing as there is none. In fact, forensic tests showed no cocaine use by Knox. Yet he declares it as a fact thus misinforming his ignorant readers.
I see you are tap dancing around the question. No surprise there. I rather suspected you would. Nice touch, by the way, with the WM3 drinking beer and whiskey bit. Subtle...but the implication is there. And that is what you do. |
22nd October 2017, 04:08 PM | #3386 |
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You have it arse over tits. Amazon do not get involved in dispute resolution.
Somebody called Michael B bragged he had a pirated PDF version of Nick's book and offered to send it to anybody who wanted to read it. Howzat for a wilful breach of copyright? [quote]
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So, the fanatical unhinged Amanda Knox foot soldjah MichaelB himself confirms Nick published a direct link to Pruett's timeline linked to her own article. |
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[quote=Vixen;12045051]You have it arse over tits. Amazon do not get involved in dispute resolution.
Somebody called Michael B bragged he had a pirated PDF version of Nick's book and offered to send it to anybody who wanted to read it. Howzat for a wilful breach of copyright?
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False. They did not keep in touch. That is a false story that originated on Radaronline and then subsequently made it's way to the Daily Mail, the Mirror and Giallo who simply repeated what Radaronline had said. "Frederico's" phone number was 389-9647716, taken from the court order to tap his phone. The number may have been in her phone contact list, but there were no calls from or to it according to Knox's phone log. Can you guess why this was never brought up in court? Because there was no contact between them.
Well, if you consider some heavy petting one time as "fornicating" go ahead. But her "boyfriend" he most certainly was not. |
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[quote=Vixen;12045100]
LOL! All I did was quote what you said by copy and pasting it. I had to go back and look at what you later edited and can see that you took out Michael's last name. I can see why. In fact, I just did the same thing for the same reason you did: it breaks the rules. I went to no "great length" at all. I had just c & p'd it before you edited it and then stepped away for a few minutes before finishing my post. Sheesh. Paranoid much?
Now how about YOU going back and editing your post to me to remove the last name before it gets noticed by the powers that be? |
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This reminds me of other beliefs based on no evidence: witches won't sink in water, the earth is the center of the universe, dinosaurs and humans co-existed, people's hearts will explode over 50 mph, and women in tight jeans can't be raped, and there are some "good people" among the neo-Nazis.
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A pseudonymous poster named Harry Rag used to for years repeatedly post stuff that was neither presented in court nor accepted by any court - similar to Vixen simply reposting that the courts had found that Knox had been present during the crime; when the Marasca-Bruno report from 2 1/2 years ago SPECIFICALLY says that at best the prosecution claims put Knox in the cottage after the crime and in another part of it.
Only in Harry Rag's case for years - years - he roamed the 'net finding news-stories, and he'd blanket the "discussion" thread below the piece with his own cut and paste. More specifically in his case it was the "mixed-blood" meme and the "there was abundant DNA evidence to convict". Neither were true, but that did not stop him from flooding news-piece comments sections - for years. Such has been the determined guilt-PR effort. Just repeat, repeat, repeat, and don't even address the postings which show that not even the "merits" courts Vixen says she's citing do not sustain what she's claiming. Such has been the determined guilt-PR effort. |
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Amanda Knox put herself at the scene, once verbally, within an hour or so after voluntarily arriving at the Questura, when hearing Raff had withdrawn his alibi for her, telling police his initial statement had been a 'sack of ****', and twice more in writing by her own hand.
Her footprints in Mez' blood is highlighted by luminol. Her DNA is mixed in with Mez' DNA in the bathroom and in Filomena's room, and in one of the luminol highlighted footprint. Oh, don't tell us: the luminol is all wrong. |
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