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Old 8th November 2019, 05:53 AM   #4961
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Burning fuel is not the only way to warm water, you do it with electricity created by tide rise, barrage, or wind or solar cell all that is free of charge because in a world of no money people work for free.
So "Irak" is warming their water with electricity created by tide? Have you thought about moving to "Irak" yourself since according to you they are living under ideal conditions of "no money"?

You still use money, right?
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Old 8th November 2019, 07:54 AM   #4962
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Burning fuel is not the only way to warm water, you do it with electricity created by tide rise, barrage, or wind or solar cell all that is free of charge because in a world of no money people work for free.
Funeral pyres are also free. Why waste that heat?

Also, you still have tons of toxic sludge to dispose of. No cares given to that environmental harm?
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Old 8th November 2019, 09:44 AM   #4963
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Slaves, I mean "workers" are also "free" when they are running in hamster wheels to generate power.
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Old 9th November 2019, 07:41 AM   #4964
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
The problem with water is cost, the ocean is full of water, under the no money system workers are free of charge then the water is free.

No, the problems with water is availability. Sea water is not potable (drinkable). So oceans full of water don't alter a lack of availability of drinkable water. Again, workers aren't free. At the very least having them doing something costs you the ability to have them do something else, somewhere else at the same time. More realistically, as you note yourself, they cost food, shelter and even, well, water.
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Old 9th November 2019, 07:48 AM   #4965
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All you have to do is to warm it, collect the pure vapor, cool it then you have water.
That's one form of desalination, distillation.

http://www.oas.org/DSD/publications/...ea59e/ch21.htm

It's major cost is energy.


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· Some distillation processes are energy-intensive, particularly the large-capacity plants. «Disposal of the brine is a problem in many regions.

· The distillation process, particularly MSF distillation, is very costly.

· Distillation requires a high level of technical knowledge to design and operate.

· The technology requires the use of chemical products, such as acids, that need special handling.
Pollution is also a cost in any desalination. What to do with the salt you have removed.
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Old 9th November 2019, 07:51 AM   #4966
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What about pipelines?
Pipelines coast materials, energy, landscape and maintenance. Also the further water is piped the greater the potential of contaminants from the piping system to leach into the water. So pollution of the pumped water itself becomes a cost of pipelines.
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Old 9th November 2019, 08:00 AM   #4967
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Burning fuel is not the only way to warm water, you do it with electricity created by tide rise, barrage, or wind or solar cell all that is free of charge because in a world of no money people work for free.

Are people working making the tides rise and fall, the wind blow or the sun shine? If not then "people work for free" can't alter those sources of energy. I expect you are deliberately conflating your own interpretation of "free" labor with "free" energy. As already noted all of those means of producing energy have non-monetary costs and as always using some energy, just like labor, somewhere for something costs you the ability to use that same energy somewhere else for something else. You still need to get your mind wrapped around the concept of non-monetary costs.
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Old 9th November 2019, 09:14 AM   #4968
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Pipelines coast materials, energy, landscape and maintenance. Also the further water is piped the greater the potential of contaminants from the piping system to leach into the water. So pollution of the pumped water itself becomes a cost of pipelines.
Pipelines under the no money system cost nothing because the workers work free of charge and there is piping in your house then according to you we shouldn't drink liquid anymore.
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Old 9th November 2019, 09:24 AM   #4969
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Pipelines under the no money system cost nothing because the workers work free of charge
Go back and read everything in this thread that wasn't written by you. Continue to re-read it until you understand. You probably shouldn't post anymore until you've done that.

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and there is piping in your house then according to you we shouldn't drink liquid anymore.
I'm not sure why you so blatantly lie about what has been said when everyone can read for themselves. Perhaps it's a reigious thing that requires lying?
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Old 9th November 2019, 09:40 AM   #4970
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
I'm not sure why you so blatantly lie about what has been said when everyone can read for themselves. Perhaps it's a reigious thing that requires lying?
What you drink goes by pipes one way or another then we shouldn't drink anymore because it is contaminated according to him.

Bloomberg run for candidate for Democrat to protect the fortune of the most rich. That's a proof that the politic in US is deeply corrupted by money.

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Old 9th November 2019, 12:08 PM   #4971
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Pipelines under the no money system cost nothing because the workers work free of charge and there is piping in your house then according to you we shouldn't drink liquid anymore.
Are those workers carrying that water themselves? If not then the cost of pipelines are as noted and you just quoted; "pollution", "materials, energy, landscape and maintenance". None of which is mitigated if "workers work free of charge". Once again you're apparently confusing your notion of "free" labor for the non-monetary costs of such projects and infrastructure.

I'm well aware of the pluming in my house, since I maintain it. I don't recall anyone here claiming "we shouldn't drink liquid anymore". As your fantasies have failed you, would you actually care to address the points raised?

Again, workers don't "work free of charge" there are non-monetary costs, like them needing water.
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Old 9th November 2019, 12:15 PM   #4972
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What you drink goes by pipes one way or another then we shouldn't drink anymore because it is contaminated according to him.
No one made such a claim. If you are going to try to put words into someone's mouth, at least try to put more effort into it than simply sticking your foot in yours.
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Old 9th November 2019, 01:00 PM   #4973
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What you drink goes by pipes one way or another then we shouldn't drink anymore because it is contaminated according to him.
Well, for one, it's not transporting salt water. But if you are familiar with what happened with Flint, their pipes did start to leach lead into the system.

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Nobody has argued that the system isn't corrupt. Removing money, however, would not change that one bit. Rather than gather money, they would gather power, authority. Those responsible to allocate resources, would make sure that they and friends and family are taken care of. With or without money, the ruling class would still tilt the playing field to benefit themselves.
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Old 9th November 2019, 01:39 PM   #4974
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
What you drink goes by pipes one way or another then we shouldn't drink anymore because it is contaminated according to him.
Lying because your evil religion demands it is still lying.

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Your religious hatred of anyone with money certainly colors your outlook on life.
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Old 9th November 2019, 07:17 PM   #4975
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Lying because your evil religion demands it is still lying.


Your religious hatred of anyone with money certainly colors your outlook on life.
When you are blocked on something you still use religion arguments. Water or food cost nothing as everything else because workers work free of charge under the no money system, can you understand this simple thing.

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Old 9th November 2019, 08:58 PM   #4976
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When you are blocked on something you still use religion arguments. Water or food cost nothing as everything else because workers work free of charge under the no money system, can you understand this simple thing.
You were advised to read the thread (all except the insane posts) and understand the points being made. I see you haven't done that yet.

I notice you never address how evil religion is or how terrible it is that religious leaders abuse children. Can you not understand that simple thing?
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Old 10th November 2019, 06:51 AM   #4977
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When you are blocked on something you still use religion arguments. Water or food cost nothing as everything else because workers work free of charge under the no money system, can you understand this simple thing.
Water and food are not the results of just labor (free or otherwise). So 'free labor' in and of itself can't just magically produce food and water.

Just as there are non-monetary and non-labor costs to producing food and water. Labor likewise has non-monetary and non-labor costs, like workers needing more food and water in order to be able to work. Labor itself has both physiological (the energy and ability to do the work) and psychological (the mindset to preform the tasks adequately and safely) costs for workers. Which are neither costs in money nor in labor themselves. Evidently you just can't or won't try to understand this simple concept. The simple existence of non-monetary and/or non-labor costs.
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Old 10th November 2019, 10:08 AM   #4978
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Water and food are not the results of just labor (free or otherwise). So 'free labor' in and of itself can't just magically produce food and water.

Just as there are non-monetary and non-labor costs to producing food and water. Labor likewise has non-monetary and non-labor costs, like workers needing more food and water in order to be able to work. Labor itself has both physiological (the energy and ability to do the work) and psychological (the mindset to preform the tasks adequately and safely) costs for workers. Which are neither costs in money nor in labor themselves. Evidently you just can't or won't try to understand this simple concept. The simple existence of non-monetary and/or non-labor costs.
if Bloomberg or Biden is elected as president you'll see a massive transfer of money allocated to poor in the offshore haven of rich.
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if Bloomberg or Biden is elected as president you'll see a massive transfer of money allocated to poor in the offshore haven of rich.
What have you done to eliminate the evil of religion? Do you even care about the religious who abuse children?
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Old 10th November 2019, 10:30 AM   #4980
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if Bloomberg or Biden is elected as president you'll see a massive transfer of money allocated to poor in the offshore haven of rich.

That doesn't make water or food the product of simply labor. Nor does it make labor free of its non-monetary costs, as noted.

If Gaetan is able to actually address points made here by others, I'd expect that he would. Hence we get such non-sequitur replies.

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If by "money allocated to poor" you mean money they earn or receive. Also if by "transfer of money allocated to poor" you mean money they spend. Then "you'll see" that regardless of who is elected. While your idol Bernie Sanders ain't no billionaire he is certainly rich compared to a lot of people.
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Old 10th November 2019, 12:44 PM   #4981
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if Bloomberg or Biden is elected as president you'll see a massive transfer of money allocated to poor in the offshore haven of rich.
Nope. Since governments, not individuals, collect taxes, why would they move that money to offshore havens?

PS: Why haven't you worked on your English skills? You've been pushing the same silly ideas, and you still make grammar errors. Wait, that would require labor, but you should be able to do it since it's free.
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Nope. Since governments, not individuals, collect taxes, why would they move that money to offshore havens?
You should stop to look on TV series as Dallas, Dynasty or others stupidities showing the misery of rich.
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You should stop to look on TV series as Dallas, Dynasty or others stupidities showing the misery of rich.
LOL. You probably don't realize since you live in a fantasy world that those are fantasy also.
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You should stop to look on TV series as Dallas, Dynasty or others stupidities showing the misery of rich.
Are you stuck in the 1980s? Good grief. Did you find out who shot JR? LOL.
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Are you stuck in the 1980s? Good grief. Did you find out who shot JR? LOL.
JR gets shot? Spoilers, man, Spoilers.

But, yeah, 80's soap operas aren't the best education source for economic system.
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JR gets shot? Spoilers, man, Spoilers.

But, yeah, 80's soap operas aren't the best education source for economic system.
I am not sure which is more disturbing. That Gaetan thinks that this is current TV fare, or that Gaetan thinks anyone considers it realistic in any way, or that Gaetan thinks it is still on TV. There do exist some obscure rerun channels that have little better to do than rerun old shows, but that is scraping the bottom of a very deep barrel. Somehow, Gaetan thinks it is mainstream viewing. That I cannot figure out. In fact, even when it was mainstream viewing in the 80s, I didn't watch it anyway.

The whole "Who shot JR?" crap became such an annoyance that I took to answering "A rank amateur. Any professional would have made sure of the job." Alas, logic rarely fits comfortably on a T-shirt.

I would kind of like Gaetan to explain why it is that he thinks we are all sitting here agog at Dallas and Dynasty, but I am afraid of what kettle of crazy ideas that may give rise to.

I mean, since we are casting our minds back 30 years ago, the fall of the Berlin Wall sticks in my mind a whole lot more than either of those low grade fantasy TV shows. The fall of the wall was a real event that I watched unfold in real time which led to real consequences for real people. That is what I was watching, not Dallas or Dynasty or any such pap.

Gaetan seems to have a strange "one size fits nobody" view of all the members here (excepting himself). If one wanders back to his characterisations in various posts, all of us posting here (excepting himself) are members of the one percent (obviously untrue), the fact we post here is evidence we are members of the one percent (which makes Gaetan also a member), the fact that we mostly have jobs (or other source of income) makes us members of the one percent (which clearly also includes Gaetan), the fact we pay for our internet access (which Gaetan has admitted he does as well) and so on. All of the things for which Gaten castigates us are either false, or things he is happily doing himself. I believe there is a word for that. In fact, I can think of several. Most of them MA breaches.
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Gaetan seems to have a strange "one size fits nobody" view of all the members here (excepting himself). If one wanders back to his characterisations in various posts, all of us posting here (excepting himself) are members of the one percent (obviously untrue), the fact we post here is evidence we are members of the one percent (which makes Gaetan also a member), the fact that we mostly have jobs (or other source of income) makes us members of the one percent (which clearly also includes Gaetan), the fact we pay for our internet access (which Gaetan has admitted he does as well) and so on. All of the things for which Gaten castigates us are either false, or things he is happily doing himself. I believe there is a word for that. In fact, I can think of several. Most of them MA breaches.
Well, there is the one characterization that Gaetan never seems to directly make, though he dances around it quite a bit. Apparently doesn't do himself, has disdain for and would most likely fit most of us here. That characterization is of course, fiscally responsible, that we don't spend all of our money as soon as we get it as he claims to do. Heck, myself, I'm sure like other here, I can't be that fiscally irresponsible. Besides saving for annual, quarterly, and monthly expenses that I couldn't afford otherwise. I have to save for inevitable expense for owning a house, repairs, maintenance ect. Not to mention the fact that I might like to retire at some point or could just lose my job. People and cats depend upon me so such irresponsibility just isn't an option.

That's not to say that its always been that way. For quite some time after all my expenses from my weeks pay I only had about 5 dollars of discretionary spending a week. What was just one hour's pay for me at that time. Fortunately drinks were a lot cheaper back then. Even then, so financially constrained, I never considered myself a slave to the rich, or castigated others better off than me. I just worked to improve my life and the lives of those around me.
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I take the opportunity to denounce the coup in Bolivia organized by the CIA and bandits.
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I take the opportunity to denounce the coup in Bolivia organized by the CIA and bandits.
Wouldn't it be nice for you to take the opportunity to answer the hundreds of outstanding quetions about your insane ideas?

Why do you religiously and dishonestly run away from answering any of them?
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Wouldn't it be nice for you to take the opportunity to answer the hundreds of outstanding quetions about your insane ideas?

Why do you religiously and dishonestly run away from answering any of them?
The politic in US is really controlled by money and profit and it would be a deliverance to abolish such corrupted system.
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The politic in US is really controlled by money and profit and it would be a deliverance to abolish such corrupted system.
It would be even better to abolish religion since it's such a drain on society and has caused such irreparable harm. What are your thoughts on all the religious who have abused children?
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Well, there is the one characterization that Gaetan never seems to directly make, though he dances around it quite a bit. Apparently doesn't do himself, has disdain for and would most likely fit most of us here. That characterization is of course, fiscally responsible, that we don't spend all of our money as soon as we get it as he claims to do. Heck, myself, I'm sure like other here, I can't be that fiscally irresponsible. Besides saving for annual, quarterly, and monthly expenses that I couldn't afford otherwise. I have to save for inevitable expense for owning a house, repairs, maintenance ect. Not to mention the fact that I might like to retire at some point or could just lose my job. People and cats depend upon me so such irresponsibility just isn't an option.

That's not to say that its always been that way. For quite some time after all my expenses from my weeks pay I only had about 5 dollars of discretionary spending a week. What was just one hour's pay for me at that time. Fortunately drinks were a lot cheaper back then. Even then, so financially constrained, I never considered myself a slave to the rich, or castigated others better off than me. I just worked to improve my life and the lives of those around me.
Well there is the thing. I suspect that you have worked hard just like me to reach a point at which you are not by any measure rich, merely comfortable. And comfortable is sufficient. I have no ambition for high finance or any of that corporate garbage. I did that for a time when I was younger. It is finite. Now, I merely do enough to sustain myself in such comfort as I wish. Oddly, that is where Gaetan wants to go, without the hard graft part that anyone has to put in to get there.

Now, I own my home outright, and have no debts of any sort, not even a credit card. Getting to that position cost me. It was a long and difficult struggle, but it only happened because I wanted it to be so and made it my business to make it happen. Likely, that struggle wiped quite a few years off my life expectancy.

Yet here is Gaetan. He wants it handed to him gratis with no effort on his part. Not on this planet. I earned my place, it is up to Gaetan to earn his. As everyone must. Even in his no money fiasco of a concept.

Gaetan has ideas that resonate with the Wannsee conference. I find that disturbing, Especially in a south american context.
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Old 10th November 2019, 09:05 PM   #4993
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It would be even better to abolish religion since it's such a drain on society and has caused such irreparable harm. What are your thoughts on all the religious who have abused children?
After the actions of the cia you'll see the US companies go in Bolivia to steal the goods of people for money profit. It is imperative that we get rid of such corrupted evil system. Trump and republicans deputes are the image of Satan.

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After the actions of the cia you'll see the US companies go in Bolivia to steal the goods of people for money profit. It is imperative that we get rid of such corrupted evil system.
That is technically called a "gish gallop". Try not to do that. Everyone here sees it and it makes you appear foolish.
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You should stop to look on TV series as Dallas, Dynasty or others stupidities showing the misery of rich.
Why aren't you answering the question? Here it is again:

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Nope. Since governments, not individuals, collect taxes, why would they move that money to offshore havens?
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Nope. Since governments, not individuals, collect taxes, why would they move that money to offshore havens?
What a stupid question, for the richer money profit, Bloomberg or Biden if elected as president will take the money allowed to poor for the profit of the richer and it will go to offshore havens off course. The system of money is deeply corrupted, rich get more rich and poor more poor since the profit of rich is taken from poor.
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What a stupid question, for the richer money profit, Bloomberg or Biden if elected as president will take the money allowed to poor for the profit of the richer and it will go to offshore havens off course. The system of money is deeply corrupted, rich get more rich and poor more poor since the profit of rich is taken from poor.
They're both religious, aren't they? No wonder you're suspicious of them.
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After the actions of the cia you'll see the US companies go in Bolivia to steal the goods of people for money profit. It is imperative that we get rid of such corrupted evil system. Trump and republicans deputes are the image of Satan.
You're talking about the "religious right", aren't you? What are you doing to abolish the evil of religion?
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I take the opportunity to denounce the coup in Bolivia organized by the CIA and bandits.
Going to need a source that says the CIA was involved. Given your history of just make **** up on the fly, a real source.
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Going to need a source that says the CIA was involved. Given your history of just make **** up on the fly, a real source.
Trump Lauds CIA Coup in Bolivia, Threatens More of the Same Elsewhere.

https://stephenlendman.org/2019/11/t...ame-elsewhere/

The way Bolivian President Evo Morales departed from power bears clear signs of a coup, but the media is unlikely to present it that way, pundits and politicians said, with some suggesting the event is pure joy for the CIA.

https://www.rt.com/news/473154-moral...ivia-cia-coup/

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