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Old 16th September 2019, 02:18 PM   #41
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New physics ‘ol mate, new physics.

SAFIRE might just be all bull but if not. ....farkme!

You do see what’s happening In Saudi Arabia, don’t you?

Get with program.
Lol. Made up physics, you mean. Zero evidence, zero mechanisms.
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Old 16th September 2019, 02:18 PM   #42
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Ahhh ideal gas laws...


Is a star gas or plasma, rc?

Does plasma obey gas laws?

Does gas obey plasma laws?

rolleyes:
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Old 16th September 2019, 02:33 PM   #43
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Ahhh ideal gas laws...


Is a star gas or plasma, rc?

Does plasma obey gas laws?

Does gas obey plasma laws?

rolleyes:
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You have already been told this by Tusenfem. He is relevantly qualified. You are not. So, go find somebody as well qualified as Tusenfem who disagrees with him. If you can't..................
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Old 16th September 2019, 03:59 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Unless they produce something in writing I have no idea what they are doing/have done. Like I say I don't do science by boob toob.

Now transmorgrification, that's something I'll believe.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f33e3d3c38.png
Supposedly, it’s repeatable. Something I’ve heard is good for a hypothesis to be on the right path
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.

Soil88's usual insane ignorance of physics that has been explained to him time and time again over the last over 10 years.
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Old 16th September 2019, 04:45 PM   #46
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual deluded parroting of his demented cult dogma. With his usual abysmal level of ignorance - repeatable in science is not a bunch of insane cranks in a propaganda video claiming they can repeat results and make the same demented assertions about them. Repeatable in science means that an experiment is published and independent researchers replicate the results.

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Old 16th September 2019, 07:33 PM   #47
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You have already been told this by Tusenfem. He is relevantly qualified. You are not. So, go find somebody as well qualified as Tusenfem who disagrees with him. If you can't..................
Tusenfem and I had a long discussion on MHD and its applicability to comets.

Some crappy excuse about approximation being ok...pffttt

I mean no one here is qualified enough to answer 3 very simple questions.

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Is a star gas or plasma?

Does plasma obey gas laws?

Does gas obey plasma laws?
Any takers?

How'd the use of approximations turn out here RPC-MIP observations at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko explained by a model including a sheath and two populations of electrons

Tusenfem what's this model including a sheath and two populations of electrons.

The dirtysnowball model? you know
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Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high
as 6 have been cited

Same model?
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Tusenfem and I had a long discussion on MHD and its applicability to comets...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insane questions and insane lies.
tusenfem works on comets and certainly is qualified to answer serious questions. Other posters here can read and so could answer Sol88's questions. But we all know that Sol88's questions are insane exposures of his denial of reality and derails from his demented cult's dogma. Anyone who believes in their demented insanity is incapable of understanding the real world. Sol88 after over 10 years is still in denial of the simple arithmetic that we measure the average density of comets to be ~0.6 g/cc and average density of asteroids to be ~3.0 g/cc. They are not the same !
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I repeat - you have already been told. Next.
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Old 16th September 2019, 08:35 PM   #50
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You have already been told this by Tusenfem. He is relevantly qualified. You are not. So, go find somebody as well qualified as Tusenfem who disagrees with him. If you can't..................
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The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only
slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from
Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has
opened a new window in space plasma physics
A tail like no other
The RPC-MAG view of Rosetta’s tail excursion at comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko


New and exciting physics!

Keep 'em coming!

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I repeat - you have already been told. Next.

So gas behaves like a plasma too? as per
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Gornthen, answer the question!

tusenfem already made himself look like a male appendage but throwing the strawman into the mix, now you too!



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I repeat - you have already been told. Next.
...and.... comprehensibly shown to be incorrect! funnily enough,

Tell me again about the Haser model... what a joke.
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Tell me again about the Haser model...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's insanity about the Haser model raises its ugly head yet again.
The Haser model is a rather old (maybe updated) way of calculating the daughter products from sublimating ices. The production rate Q of the parent species is plugged into the model and it gives the amount of the daughter product. See the often cited here A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets (1985)

Sol88's insanity was that Q is an output.
Sol88's latest insanity to add to his collection seems to be that any approximation makes results invalid. The1957 Haser model assumes that the coma is spherically symmetrical.

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...and.... comprehensibly shown to be incorrect! funnily enough,

Tell me again about the Haser model... what a joke.
No it has not been shown to be wrong. Ever. And what the hell would you know about the Haser model, and what the hell has it got to do with the Sun obeying ideal gas laws?
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Sol88's insanity about the Haser model raises its ugly head yet again.
The Haser model is a rather old (maybe updated) way of calculating the daughter products from sublimating ices. The production rate Q of the parent species is plugged into the model and it gives the amount of the daughter product. See the often cited here A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets (1985)

Sol88's insanity was that Q is an output.
Sol88's latest insanity to add to his collection seems to be that any approximation makes results invalid. The1957 Haser model assumes that the coma is spherically symmetrical.
The 1957 Haser model assumes that the coma is spherically symmetrical? Sounds familiar, mmmm.....oh yeah
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(c) What are comets made of?
At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
Products from sublimating ices This ice?
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Whipple’s model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice
But if our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, how does the Haser model stack up?

but

Everything you base counter arguments on is on old outdated models and approximations.

e.g Haser, Ideal MHD...

but

there's new models and papers...

RPC-MIP observations at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko explained by a model including a sheath and two populations of electrons

What model is this?


One of those statements is incorrect, which one?
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But does gas observe plasma laws? At what charge is your gas? Oh no charge you say, it’s overall quasineutral...

Gas laws are not applicable in plasma except by such a rough estimation.

A lot like our much loved IDEAL MHD.
OMG so little knowledge, so sad.
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OMG so little knowledge, so sad.
Well please fill me in.

You stated that plasma obeys gas laws, did you not?

So I asked the expert here, does gas obey plasma laws?

Does it? Edgjamact me.
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No it has not been shown to be wrong. Ever. And what the hell would you know about the Haser model, and what the hell has it got to do with the Sun obeying ideal gas laws?
Is it applicable to comets now we’ve orbited one?

How does MHD hold up to this new sheath model?

Double layers here we come

And

With what SAFIRE has uncovered... one stone cold dead standard model of comets.
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Is it applicable to comets now we’ve orbited one?

How does MHD hold up to this new sheath model?

Double layers here we come

And

With what SAFIRE has uncovered... one stone cold dead standard model of comets.
Complete gibberish. And nothing to do with what I asked. What has the Haser model got to do with the Sun obeying the ideal gas law? And yes, it is fine to use when viewing the whole coma from a distance.

What new sheath model?

No double layers seen. Bit late to detect them now. The mission is over, in case you hadn't noticed.

And SAFIRE has uncovered nothing. It is nothing to do with the Sun.
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Well please fill me in.

You stated that plasma obeys gas laws, did you not?

So I asked the expert here, does gas obey plasma laws?

Does it? Edgjamact me.
Trying to edumacate you is in vain, I have done so many times and you don't learn anything, so why should I try once more?

a plasma is a gas, a gas is not a plasma
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No it has not been shown to be wrong. Ever. And what the hell would you know about the Haser model, and what the hell has it got to do with the Sun obeying ideal gas laws?
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Trying to edumacate you is in vain, I have done so many times and you don't learn anything, so why should I try once more?

a plasma is a gas, a gas is not a plasma

So the sun being 100% plasma is modeled with ideal gas laws??

As per reality checks assertion that SAFIRE would turn out star into a white dwarf. You pressure balancing gravity malarkey.

So consider me edumucated on a plasma is a gas, a gas is not a plasma.

And we are now all edumacted on plasma observes the gas laws, why not ... simple in a star that’s all ionised gas, a plasma.
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Nope. That much gas will collapse without something to hold it up against collapse. What is that something? Simple question, based on known physics.
Dude, you really do struggle with the basics

Yawn... since reality check is 100% certain using the standard model of stellar evolution and based on known physics, one would have white dwarfs everywhere.

What about a force that follows plasma laws.

I’d take notice too, if I were you reality check.

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The current-induced magnetic forces pull the currents into filaments, twist the filaments around each other, and then “pinch” the galactic plasma until the internal pressure balances the magnetic constriction.
I believe this is quite a common occurrence in plasma, not so gas though I believe unless you substitute plasma for gas and the magnetic force for gravity...

I see how you be confused with
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's insanity of confirming his demented delusional that using approximations invalidates physics.

Sol88's usual insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn.

Sol88's usual insane lies. Modern science is based on current models and current approximations as in the paper he cites !

Sol88's usual insanity of citing and lying about ice and dust comet papers.

Sol88's utter insanity of emphasizing that his demented cult dogma has only insane fantasies by citing real science with models that match the real world of comets !.
RPC-MIP observations at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko explained by a model including a sheath and two populations of electrons
Where is Sol88's cult's scientific model explaining the RPC-MIP observations or any observation of any comet?

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's insanity of emphasizing that he has remained utterly ignorant of physics (what a plasma is, what a gas is, etc. ) from whenever this gullible fool fell for the obvious insanity of his demented cult !
But maybe more of Sol88's insane lies - he knows this physics and is lying to waste our time to derail form his demented dogma.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insane questions and insane lies to derail from his demented cult's dogma.
Sol88's insanity that textbook astronomy that high school students can understand is "malarkey"
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insults and insane lies to derail from his demented cult's dogma.

Sol88's usual insane lies about other posts.
I wrote that his insane SAFIRE project about the Sun turns the Sun (a single star) into a white dwarf.
It is textbook astronomy that stars around the mass of the Sun turn into white dwarfs when their fusion runs out. It is this textbook physics that Sol88 and his demented cult denies.
We do see white dwarfs "everywhere" ! White dwarf: "eight white dwarfs among the hundred star systems nearest the Sun".

Sol88 insanely asks "What about a force that follows plasma laws" showing yet again that he is utterly in denial of the electric part of his demented cult dogma.
Plasma obey the gas laws at large scales like stars with the electromagnetic force acting between the perhaps few ions among the neutral atoms at low scales such meters and less. That is the "plasma laws"!

Sol88 insanely quotes something about galactic plasma - the Sun is not a galaxy !

Sol88 insanely quotes something about collapsing gases. That quote supports textbook astronomy! Collapsing clouds of gas collapse until balanced by thermal pressure. We call the result a star .

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Old 17th September 2019, 02:05 PM   #71
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Oh my friend...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insanity. I am not friends with a gullible fool who has parroted the obviously insane dogma of a demented cult for decades and shows how demented the cult is by spewing out utter ignorance, demented delusions, insane insults and blatant lies. Just read the insanity Sol88 has written his last few posts. Similar insanity appears over the last 10 years in this thread, e.g. he has been given the textbook physics of plasma many, many times. Apparently Sol88 started off vomiting out his demented cult's dogma on other forum over 12 years ago.

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Old 17th September 2019, 02:36 PM   #73
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Dude, you really do struggle with the basics

Yawn... since reality check is 100% certain using the standard model of stellar evolution and based on known physics, one would have white dwarfs everywhere.

What about a force that follows plasma laws.

I’d take notice too, if I were you reality check.



I believe this is quite a common occurrence in plasma, not so gas though I believe unless you substitute plasma for gas and the magnetic force for gravity...

I see how you be confused with
Utter gibberish. You do not understand the science, so why not just leave it alone, huh? There is a reason you have been conned by an unscientific, Velikovskian cult, and it is not due to your scientific smarts, understand?
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Old 17th September 2019, 05:45 PM   #74
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Nope. That much gas will collapse without something to hold it up against collapse. What is that something? Simple question, based on known physics.
I do not understand the science?

Ummmmm...is the Sun a Gas or a Plasma?

Talking about KNOWN PHYSICS, Beta (plasma physics) is this crackpottery or KNOWN PHYSICS?

So the statement by the Thunderbolts team,
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Large magnetic fields have been detected in the Milky Way, and those fields indicate that Birkeland currents thread through them. The current-induced magnetic forces pull the currents into filaments, twist the filaments around each other, and then “pinch” the galactic plasma until the internal pressure balances the magnetic constriction. Stars will form like beads along a galactic wire, that wire being a Birkeland current filament.
is Beta (plasma physics)

As per observations and not from theoretical physics.

but

I can see where the likes of jonedave116 and tusenfem can be easly confused

e.g Chaotic web of filaments in a Milky Way stellar nursery


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Particularly striking is the chaotic web of gas filaments we see in this scene. Astronomers think there is a link between star formation and the filamentary structures in the interstellar medium. In the densest strands, the gas that makes up the filaments becomes unstable and forms clumps of material bound together by gravity. If dense enough, these collapsed blobs of gas eventually go on to become newborn stars.

Observations by Herschel showed the filamentary complexity to be ubiquitous in the plane of our Galaxy, from a few to hundreds of light-years. In nearby star-forming clouds, within 1500 light-years of the Sun, these filaments seem to be roughly all the same width – about a third of a light-year. This suggests a common physical mechanism in their origin, possibly linked to the turbulent nature of interstellar gas clouds.
Gas mentioned 7 times, plasma mentioned 0 times. Shameful for stars that are 100% plasma.

Again GAS or PLASMA and common physical mechanism, lets see... Beta (plasma physics).

Gas laws for plasma structures!

Gas light era physics in an ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!
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I do not understand the science?...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

A spate of Sol88's usual insanity.
  1. Starts with an insane question because over 10 years of idiotic ignorance in this thread alone shows he cannot even understand the English in science!
  2. Insane denial that the Sun is plasma that acts as gas on the scales over a few meters (quasi-neutrality).
  3. Beta (plasma physics) is a definition and he idiotically thinks it could be "crackpottery".
    "The beta of a plasma, symbolized by β, is the ratio of the plasma pressure (p = n kB T) to the magnetic pressure (pmag = B²/2μ0)."
  4. Link to his demented cult and their insane dogma.
  5. Insane lie about beta and his demented cult!
    Beta (plasma physics) is a ratio, not a balance.
  6. Usual insane lies about physics.
    The stellar nurseries of distant galaxies is not his demented cult dogma.
    "Star clusters are formed by the condensation of molecular clouds, masses of cold, dense gas that are found in every galaxy."
    Chaotic web of filaments in a Milky Way stellar nursery is not his demented cult dogma.
    "Particularly striking is the chaotic web of gas filaments we see in this scene. Astronomers think there is a link between star formation and the filamentary structures in the interstellar medium. In the densest strands, the gas that makes up the filaments becomes unstable and forms clumps of material bound together by gravity. If dense enough, these collapsed blobs of gas eventually go on to become newborn stars."
  7. Sol88 persists with insanity about plasma and gas.
  8. Insane lie about his demented cult's "ELECTRIC UNIVERSE" dogma.
    This is dogma because his cult makes up deluded stories denying the real physics of plasma, just like Sol88.
    The real physics of plasma has multiple mechanisms to create filaments, etc. Astronomers know about astronomical filaments and what they do. See above where the increased density in filaments can lead to collapsed blobs of gas forming stars.

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Reality Check then goes onto explain "The beta of a plasma, symbolized by β, is the ratio of the plasma pressure (p = n kB T) to the magnetic pressure (pmag = B²/2μ0)."

So then answers his own inane question!

In a gas you need gravity in plasma you don't!


Not sure why you still think the Sun is gas??? Strange.

SAFIRE deal with plasma not gas...
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insane lies about posts and physics.
Lie 1: It was Sol88 cited beta and insanely lied about beta (is a definition, is a ratio not a :balance"). I merely quoted his citation.
Lie 2: The definition of beta does not say that gravity is not needed in plasma. It is a definition of a plasma concept.
Lie 3: I did not write the Sun is a gas - the Sun is plasma. It is plasma that obeys the gas laws.

Sol88's insanity includes that plasma does not obey gas laws.
Sol88's insanity includes that plasma is not quasi-neutral.
Sol88's insanity includes persisting in insane ignorance of basic physics. Gravity is needed to collapse a cloud of gas or a cloud of plasma !

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It is plasma that obeys the gas laws.
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Sol88's usual insane lies about posts and physics.
Lie 1: It was Sol88 cited beta and insanely lied about beta (is a definition, is a ratio not a :balance"). I merely quoted his citation.
Lie 2: The definition of beta does not say that gravity is not needed in plasma. It is a definition of a plasma concept.
Lie 3: I did not write the Sun is a gas - the Sun is plasma. It is plasma that obeys the gas laws.
1. Ratio of pressure (Active regions have much higher beta, over 1 in some cases, which makes the area unstable)

2. Gravity not needed at all in plasma, only for the gas laws. e.g Stars collapsing to form white dwarfs

3. You wrote SAFIRE would have the Sun collapse into white dwarf! You need a sun made of gas for that.

So funny...
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