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Old 17th September 2019, 09:37 PM   #81
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Cheers!
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88 stupidly agrees with the textbook physics that makes Sol88's demented cult's electric Sun dogma collapse the Sun to a white dwarf .

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It is plasma that obeys the gas laws. The Sun is plasma. The plasma in the Sun thus obeys the gas laws. Therefore we can treat the Sun as a gas when looking at its structure. First year astronomy students derive that stable stars have an temperature increasing with depth or they collapse. That needs an internal heat source. A star the mass of the Sun collapses to a white dwarf as it will when its fusion runs out in some billions of years.

Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult denies this textbook physics. Sol88 and his demented cult must even deny the physical evidence for the fusion at the Sun's core. The energy output form the Sun. Matching neutrino flux. Neutrinos from the p-p fusion chain.
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Old 17th September 2019, 09:38 PM   #82
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1. Ratio of pressure (Active regions have much higher beta, over 1 in some cases, which makes the area unstable)

2. Gravity not needed at all in plasma, only for the gas laws.

3. You wrote SAFIRE would have the Sun collapse into white dwarf! You need a sun made of gas for that.

So funny...
People who might wonder why I will disappear again from this "discussion", read the last Sol88 messages above, and you will understand.

So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Old 17th September 2019, 11:07 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
People who might wonder why I will disappear again from this "discussion", read the last Sol88 messages above, and you will understand.

So long and thanks for all the fish.
Others may also wonder why on Earth you'd bring this into the mix the first place,

For which reality check expounded on behalf of tusenfems statement "As plasma observes the gas laws, why not ... simple."

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For others:
It is plasma that obeys the gas laws. The Sun is plasma. The plasma in the Sun thus obeys the gas laws. Therefore we can treat the Sun as a gas when looking at its structure. First year astronomy students derive that stable stars have an temperature increasing with depth or they collapse. That needs an internal heat source. A star the mass of the Sun collapses to a white dwarf as it will when its fusion runs out in some billions of years.
to which I asked, is the sun gas or plasma?

Well it's plasma but we use gas laws as an approximation.... wtf?

Glad you popped in. Call back when the new raft of papers are released. I'm guessing we'll have some questions for you on your paper/s
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Old 17th September 2019, 11:35 PM   #84
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The Sun is plasma. The plasma in the Sun thus obeys the gas laws.
Ummm...false equivalence 'ol mate.

Good try though.
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
People who might wonder why I will disappear again from this "discussion", read the last Sol88 messages above, and you will understand.

So long and thanks for all the fish.
Yep, trying to talk science with Sol is definitely a one way conversation!
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Old 18th September 2019, 06:49 AM   #86
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There is no sharp boundary between plasmas and gases. Plasmas obey the gas laws and, in many respects, behave like gases.


Plasma: The Fourth State of Matter
Frank-Kamenetskii, D. A. (1972)
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...-4684-1896-5_1 (paywalled; if anybody wants it........)
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Old 18th September 2019, 01:56 PM   #89
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...I'm guessing we'll have some questions for you on your paper/s
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Another of Sol88's insane lies.
We will not have any questions about mainstream ices and dust comet papers that will debunk Sol88's his demented cult's dogma yet again. Look at over 10 years of Sol88's insane posts.
mainstream ices and dust comet papers.
We expect insane lies that they support his demented cult's dogma.
We expect insane lies that they show that mainstream ices and dust comet model is wrong.
We expect insane liss that better or new models of ices and dust comet behavior invalidate the mainstream ices and dust comet model.
We expect insanely deluded or ignorant questions about basic textbook physics to derail from he demented cult dogma, e.g. Sol88's current insane delusion and ignorance about plasma not being a gas and not "needing" gravity.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Plasma: The Fourth State of Matter
Frank-Kamenetskii, D. A. (1972)
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...-4684-1896-5_1 (paywalled; if anybody wants it........)
Still missing the point sport

Again, and this is from the most cleverest person here,
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Trying to edumacate you is in vain, I have done so many times and you don't learn anything, so why should I try once more?

a plasma is a gas, a gas is not a plasma
A plasma is a gas, a gas is not a plasma

So again... This statement is also correct, " There is no sharp boundary between plasmas and gases. Gas does NOT obey plasma laws and, in many respects, behave totally different to gases."

and

The Sun is 100% PLASMA and 100% NOT GAS.

I mean dont just take my word for it
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The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is a nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma,
Is this concept to difficult for you to understand, joendave116?

You should stop reading reality checks first year astronomy textbooks!

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Stars
Stars
A cluster of stars called the Pleiades.
Source: NASA.
What is a star?

Stars are giant spheres of superhot gas made up mostly of hydrogen and helium. Stars get so hot by burning hydrogen into helium in a process called nuclear fusion. This is what makes them so hot and bright. Our Sun is a star.
Gas or Plasma, jonesdave116?



Point is Gas laws explain absolute SQUAT about the 100% plasma Sun.

So, after long confabulation by Reality Check, in the ELECTRIC SUN model (SAFIRE has tested and found to be correct) gravity is of no consequence. So no collapsing nothing to a white dwarf because its a non starter in the ES.

as per

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The Electric Sun theory (also Electric Star theory, and Electric Sun Model and Electric Sun Hypothesis) is the idea that the Sun (and stars) derives the main sources of its power electrically from its surroundings, rather than from within by nuclear fusion (the mainstream view).
So, in answer to JD116 question of what mechanism could possible be responsible, plasma process on a 100% plasma Sun!

Happy Days for the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!
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Ah, since you claim the EU thing again, have you finally worked out how positive and negative charges in the solar system can move at the same speed in the same direction in your putative solar wide electrical field?
sounds very familiar
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From Tim Thompson

Astronomer and physicist Tim Thompson has criticised the Electric Sun Hypothesis, for example:

“The solar wind is a flow of protons and electrons, away from the sun, in all directions, both at the same speed. Now, if the first “major property” of the electric sun model were true, we would expect the positively charged sun to repel positively charged protons, and attract negatively charged electrons. That’s what the third “major property” says is happening, but we see that reality is somewhat different. The observation of electrons & protons both being “repelled” by the sun immediately negates any consideration of the sun having a net electric charge that can be detected anywhere in the solar wind flow. If the sun had a net charge that was large enough, then it should repel one charge and attract the other, depending on the sign of the sun’s excess charge. But we don’t see that. “[25]
An answer was given by Donald E. Scott –Ph.D. (Electrical Engineering)

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Acceleration of the Solar Wind Ions Wal Thornhill has already referred Thompson to low-pressure gas discharge physics as being the appropriate model to use, not simple electrostatics. As a pseudoskeptic, Thompson refuses to address his remarks to this model because it refutes his beliefs and he can‘t find any authority to quote that has ever considered the possibility. In the gas discharge model, interplanetary space is an extensive plasma region termed the ̳positive column,‘ which is characterized by almost equal numbers of positive charges (ions) and electrons. The plasma is electrically ̳quasi-neutral,‘ like a current-carrying copper wire. And like a copper wire, it is a region with a weak electric field that causes a steady drift of electrons toward the more positive ̳sink.‘ (The drift speed of electrons in a current-carrying copper wire is typically measured in cm/hr!) The drift current focused down from the vastness of space powers the Sun. The drift field is also responsible for the weak acceleration of positive ions away from the Sun. The result is the quasi-neutral solar ̳wind.‘ The electric Sun model is the only one that has a consistent satisfactory explanation for the solar wind.
So electrostatics vs Gas Discharge

Gas laws vs Plasma Laws, again.
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sounds very familiar

An answer was given by Donald E. Scott –Ph.D. (Electrical Engineering)



So electrostatics vs Gas Discharge

Gas laws vs Plasma Laws, again.
Lol. Only the idiots Thornhill and Scott could have written such imbecilic nonsense!
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Still missing the point sport

Again, and this is from the most cleverest person here,

A plasma is a gas, a gas is not a plasma

So again... This statement is also correct, " There is no sharp boundary between plasmas and gases. Gas does NOT obey plasma laws and, in many respects, behave totally different to gases."

and

The Sun is 100% PLASMA and 100% NOT GAS.

I mean dont just take my word for it

Is this concept to difficult for you to understand, joendave116?

You should stop reading reality checks first year astronomy textbooks!



Gas or Plasma, jonesdave116?



Point is Gas laws explain absolute SQUAT about the 100% plasma Sun.

So, after long confabulation by Reality Check, in the ELECTRIC SUN model (SAFIRE has tested and found to be correct) gravity is of no consequence. So no collapsing nothing to a white dwarf because its a non starter in the ES.

as per



So, in answer to JD116 question of what mechanism could possible be responsible, plasma process on a 100% plasma Sun!

Happy Days for the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!
Learn to read. I'll quote it again for the hard of thinking;

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There is no sharp boundary between plasmas and gases. Plasmas obey the gas laws and, in many respects, behave like gases.
Which part of that are you failing to understand? Need it in a different language? I tried Google Translate, but it didn't recognise 'scientifically illiterate' as a language.
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No.

An ideal gas means that interaction is negligible. This is not the case for the complex non linear electromagnetic interaction of charged particles, hence not in a plasma.

The Sun (Stars) are 100% plasma.
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No.

An ideal gas means that interaction is negligible. This is not the case for the complex non linear electromagnetic interaction of charged particles, hence not in a plasma.

The Sun (Stars) are 100% plasma.
Wrong.

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast122/lectures/lec12.html

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Almost all the behavior of normal stars is given by the simple relations of the ideal gas law. For example, as a star shrinks, the volume decreases and the pressure increases. If the equation is confusing, the following summarizes the way the math works:
  • as pressure goes up --> volume goes down, temperature goes up, density goes up
  • as pressure goes down --> volume goes up, temperature goes down, density goes down
  • as volume goes up --> pressure goes down, temperature goes down, density goes down
  • as volume goes down --> pressure goes up, temperature goes up, density goes up
  • as temperature goes up --> pressure goes up, volume goes up, density goes down
  • as temperature goes down --> pressure goes down, volume goes down, density goes up
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The cores of normal stars are an ideal gas, and follow the ideal gas law. However, as hydrogen fuel is burned, helium is produced as a byproduct and begins to build up in the center of the star. Helium cannot burn at these lower temperatures, so the helium ash becomes denser and denser to reach degeneracy. The core can cool, but it doesn't contract because its internal pressure remains high even as its temperature falls. Thus, stars with low mass cores become white dwarfs, slowly cooling and radiating their heat into space.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insanity emphasizes yet again that his demented cult dogma is insane. A demented cult prophet (Scott) cites an documented lying and demented cult [prophet (Thornhill) spewing out the cult dogma and insnaity.

Astronomer and physicist Tim Thompson states basic textbook physics - like charges repel, unlike charges attract! A charged Sun will attract protons and repel elections or vice versa. The solar wind is protons and electrons travelling in the same direction away from the Sun. This is physically impossible for a charged Sun alone (the Thunderbolts cult dogma).

A demented "physicist" (Thornhill has been in demented denial of physics for decades) writes delusions about low-pressure gas discharge physics. A deluded electrical engineer insanely cites Thornhill. Insane because an electrical engineer knows what a gas discharge is - basically a metal electrode in a container with a low pressure gas and a voltage difference between the electrode and container walls!

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insanity of denying textbook physics.
Plasma obeys the gas laws as in the textbook quoted to him and the astronomy lecture notes cited.
Plasma is quasi-neutral - acts as a neutral gas abiove certain scales (~meters in the Sun).
New insanity that plasma is only charged particles? A plasma can have as little as 1 in 10,000 charged particles.

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Sol88's usual insanity of denying textbook physics.
Plasma obeys the gas laws as in the textbook quoted to him and the astronomy lecture notes cited.
Plasma is quasi-neutral - acts as a neutral gas abiove certain scales (~meters in the Sun).
New insanity that plasma is only charged particles? A plasma can have as little as 1 in 10,000 charged particles.
Ahh...you've confabulated again.

Gas discharge and the positive column...

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2.6.7 Positive Column

This region is quasi-neutral as what Irving Langmuir had in mind when he defined plasma. The electric field is small in this region, typically 1 V/cm, and it is just large enough to maintain the required degree of ionization at its cathode end. The length of the positive column region can be varied by changing the distance between electrodes at a constant pressure and constant voltage drop, while the other regions maintain their lengths. The electron number density in the positive column is typically 1015 to 1016 electrons/m3, with electron kinetic temperature of 1 to 2 eV. The positive column is a long, uniform glow, except when standing or moving striations are triggered spontaneously, or ionization waves are triggered by a disturbance. For a glow discharge in air, the positive column plasma is pinkish to blue [8, 1
We reside in the positive column.

As for metal electrode in a container not needed Inductively coupled plasma
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The cores of normal stars are an ideal gas, and follow the ideal gas law???

You sure? let me double check..

oh yeah you are correct forstudents

Yup, looks like you've memorized the story well!

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Stars are fueled by the nuclear fusion of hydrogen to form helium deep in their interiors. The outflow of energy from the central regions of the star provides the pressure necessary to keep the star from collapsing under its own weight, and the energy by which it shines
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As the cloud collapses, a dense, hot core forms and begins gathering dust and gas. Not all of this material ends up as part of a star — the remaining dust can become planets, asteroids, or comets or may remain as dust.
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So linked to comets.

further

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Stars are giant balls of gas. Clouds of dust and gas swirl through the universe. Sometimes this dust and gas begins to collect in one area. As more dust and gas collect, the mass becomes heavy. It starts to swirl and becomes hot. When it gets really hot, it begins a process known as nuclear fusion. If this mass gets really big and hot, it becomes a star.
easyscienceforkids.com

Yup, the Sun is a big ball of hot gas!

Silly me.
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Oh NO!!
Plasma flow near sun's surface explains sunspots, other solar phenomena

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"Our model is completely different from a normal picture of the sun," said first author Thomas Jarboe, a UW professor of aeronautics and astronautics. "I really think we're the first people that are telling you the nature and source of solar magnetic phenomena—how the sun works."
Really???

Well there bloody wrong aren't they!


We've just finished being all edumacted on Stars are big hot balls of gas!

Now we are using models that involve plasma laws.

What's going on Jonedave116?

Are stars plasma or gas?
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insanity.
Highlights that plasma is quasi-neutral - plasma acts as neutral on large scales like the body of the Sun !
"We reside in the positive column" insanity. We reside on the Earth !
Sol88's v of not being able to spell "low-pressure gas discharge" in his demented cult's delusions.
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Well, well ,well


Credit: W. Thornhill (after W. Allis & R. Juergens), The ELECTRIC UNIVERSE®. https://www.holoscience.com/wp/twink...electric-star/

Wow mainstream have discovered the workings of the big ball of hot gas! but
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The first?

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In the new model, a thin layer of magnetic flux and plasma, or free-floating electrons, moves at different speeds on different parts of the sun. The difference in speed between the flows creates twists of magnetism, known as magnetic helicity, that are similar to what happens in some fusion reactor concepts.
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When the circuits in both hemispheres are moving at the same speed, more sunspots appear. When the circuits are different speeds, there is less sunspot activity.
Hang on, circuits??

Gas laws, how do I use them in this situation?

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In the new model, a thin layer of magnetic flux and plasma, or free-floating electrons, moves at different speeds on different parts of the sun.
That's how we are producing electric currents at 67P, is it not tusenfem? plasma moving past one another as per your post here, generates an electric current in the gas??? Remember the Sun is big ball of hot gas, his is irrefutable as jonesdave116 AND Reality Check have stated.

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How do I use ideal Gas laws here?
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Old 19th September 2019, 08:14 PM   #105
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The Sun is either a GAS or a PLASMA.

GAS for the kiddies and PLASMA for the grown ups!

but i can see how it's useful concept for the kiddies, ay jonesdave116?
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insanity when presented with actual physics.
Sol88 insanely thinks the Sun's body is its surface by citing mainstream physic on the solar surface !
It is the Sun's body that collapses in his demented cult's insane dogma about the Sun.

Sol88's usual insane lies about other posters. We wrote that Sun is a ball of plasma. Plasma obeys the gas laws. Plasma is quasi-neutral.

Sol88's usual insane lies. The word plasma in an article does not automatically mean that "plasma laws", i.e. MHD that he goes on insane rants about, are being applied. It is more like "fusion laws"!
Plasma flow near sun's surface explains sunspots, other solar phenomena
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The authors created a model based on their previous work with fusion energy research. The model shows that a thin layer beneath the sun's surface is key to many of the features we see from Earth, like sunspots, magnetic reversals and solar flow, and is backed up by comparisons with observations of the sun.

"The observational data are key to confirming our picture of how the sun functions," Jarboe said.

In the new model, a thin layer of magnetic flux and plasma, or free-floating electrons, moves at different speeds on different parts of the sun. The difference in speed between the flows creates twists of magnetism, known as magnetic helicity, that are similar to what happens in some fusion reactor concepts.

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insanity.
Sol88 insanely links to his cults dogma on the documented liar and demented Thornhill's web site.
Sol88' insane lies about his demented cult dogma which is nothing to do with real solar physics.
Sol88's usual insane lies abut posters. tusenfem wrote general textbook physics in URL="http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12106389#post12106389"]current (parallel or perpendicular) in space plasmas are induced by changes in the magnetic field (ampere's law)[/url]
A rational person (not Sol88!)) would expect that cometary coma have changes in their magnetic field because they are turbulent and that will induce currents.

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The cores of normal stars are an ideal gas, and follow the ideal gas law???

You sure? let me double check..

oh yeah you are correct forstudents

Yup, looks like you've memorized the story well!



LINK

So linked to comets.

further

easyscienceforkids.com

Yup, the Sun is a big ball of hot gas!

Silly me.
Silly is not the word you are looking for. However, were I to mention the word you are looking for, the comment would likely attract the scrutiny of the moderators. You, an unqualified layman, have now been told by a qualified plasma astrophysicist, and an undergrad astrophysics lecture, that you are wrong. Take a hint. Nobody cares what unqualified cranks believe.
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The Sun is either a GAS or a PLASMA.

GAS for the kiddies and PLASMA for the grown ups!

but i can see how it's useful concept for the kiddies, ay jonesdave116?
It appears to me that you know nothing about either plasma or gas. Or much of anything else, really.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
It appears to me that you know nothing about either plasma or gas. Or much of anything else, really.
I do understand the stupidity of using ideal gas laws on a 100% plasma entity!



Like I said, easier for the kiddies. Happy to leave it there.

Unless you can explain how gas can self organize?
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Silly is not the word you are looking for. However, were I to mention the word you are looking for, the comment would likely attract the scrutiny of the moderators. You, an unqualified layman, have now been told by a qualified plasma astrophysicist, and an undergrad astrophysics lecture, that you are wrong. Take a hint. Nobody cares what unqualified cranks believe.

I do hope you are calling Wal and the thunderbolts team unqualified cranks and not T. R. Jarboe et al cranks too.

Even though they discovered one of the first tenements of the electric Sun?
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I do understand the stupidity of using ideal gas laws on a 100% plasma entity!



Like I said, easier for the kiddies. Happy to leave it there.

Unless you can explain how gas can self organize?
So go write up your paper telling professional scientists how they are wrong, submit it to a peer-reviewed, respected journal, and get back to us when it is published.
Failing that, I will stick to the default position of you don't know what you are talking about.
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I do hope you are calling Wal and the thunderbolts team unqualified cranks and not T. R. Jarboe et al cranks too.

Even though they discovered one of the first tenements of the electric Sun?
Wal a crank? He is an ignorant, lying crank!

And he's found buildings on the Sun? Wow. Is there no end to his skills?
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Everythng you don't want to know about real cometary physics cannot be found here:
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Everythng you don't want to know about real cometary physics cannot be found here:
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/ab.../contents.html
At last!
On the down side, Sol's plasma sheath only exists around the MIP! Lol.

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Wow! Been waiting for this one.........

Quincuncial adaptive closed Kohonen (QuACK) map for the irregularly shaped comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

.........I think. I'll know when I translate the title into something I can understand!
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It appears to me that you know nothing about either plasma or gas. Or much of anything else, really.
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But on a serious note
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Eddington also investigated the interior of stars through theory, and developed the first true understanding of stellar processes. He began this in 1916 with investigations of possible physical explanations for Cepheid variable stars. He began by extending Karl Schwarzschild's earlier work on radiation pressure in Emden polytropic models. These models treated a star as a sphere of gas held up against gravity by internal thermal pressure, and one of Eddington's chief additions was to show that radiation pressure was necessary to prevent collapse of the sphere.
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Should of treated as a ball of plasma instead...


But as long as the kiddies understand about hot gas.

I don’t think the SAFIRE team have much to say on 1920 models, not with new experiments and data
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
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That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's usual insane lies about the real world. Only Sol88's demented cult believe in their insane electric sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insane insults of astronomers. Plasma flow near sun's surface explains sunspots, other solar phenomena is a mainstream solar model paper by sane rational astronomers who know the basic astronomy and facts showing that the Sun has internal fusion powering it.
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