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Old 15th October 2019, 06:12 PM   #161
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity.
The energetic electrons detected in the coma of comet 67P are irrelevant to Sol88's insanity that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!)

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Old 15th October 2019, 06:40 PM   #162
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Sol88's usual insane lies about science - no energized elections have ever been detected on the surface of comets. The papers Sol88 has cited are about comet coma.
Is the diamagnetic cavity and the coma the same thing Reality check???

Something is accelerating electrons (and ions) at the surface of 67P. Mainstream have no mechanism or model, sad.


Have a proper go would ya!
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Old 15th October 2019, 07:19 PM   #163
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity emphasizes his demented cult's electric comet insanity.
Sol88's usual insane lies.

For others:
The diamagnetic cavity is a part of a comet coma as in the papers cited for a few years, thus Sol88's usual insanity of his question.
Rosetta detected accelerating electrons and ions many kilometers from the surface of 67P, thus Sol88's usual insane lie.
The mainstream model of comets is alive and well and validated by 70 years of data, including the Rosetta mission to 67P , thus Sol88's usual insane lie.

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Old 15th October 2019, 08:18 PM   #164
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Rosetta detected accelerating electrons and ions many kilometers from the surface of 67P, thus Sol88's usual insane lie.
You should talk to Lukraak Sisser, mate!
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The mainstream model of comets is alive and well and validated by 70 years of data, including the Rosetta mission to 67P , thus Sol88's usual insane lie.



Once we thought comets were mostly ice... now we know Asteroids contain more water than comets.... ouch!
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Once we thought comets were mostly ice... now we know Asteroids contain more water than comets.... ouch!
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about what he cites.
We know that asteroids have very little water compared to comets. We now have evidence that the solar wind + impacts can replenish that very little water on asteroids as in the study he cited
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You should talk to Lukraak Sisser, mate!
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual lies about posters and their posts.
Lukraak_Sisser's recent posts on the solar wind in general revealing Sol88 and his cult's denial of high school level electromagnetism.Sol88's first lie about these posts: Lukraak says cant happen. when accelerated electrons and ions in unspecified directions in turbulent comet coma are not the oppositely accelerated electrons and ions in the solar wind in this cult's solar electric field.

Sol88's second lie about these posts: Lukraak_Sisser does not write about Rosetta detected accelerating electrons and ions many kilometers from the surface of 67P, thus Sol88's usual insane lie.. Sol88's insanity is the physical fact that Rosetta did not land on the surface of 67P until it was crashed into 67P at the end of its mission ! Instrument readings were taken from 10's to hundreds of kilometers from the nucleus.

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Great, back to the 'ol chestnut.

When is an asteroid considered a comet and when is a comet considered an asteroid?

See

Asteroid-Comet Continuum Objects in the Solar System

and to trying to and explain their various formations, mainstream have to invoke planets migrating.

but the Electric Universe is poo pooed for suggesting the same thing but with a viable mechanism which mainstream do not have.

Point is there is a mechanism for the production of water from comets. This also has implication for mainstreams surprise at molecular oxygen.

Seems we have plenty of H, C and O at comets... not all from the imaginary ice hidden with the rest of the pink unicorns just out of sight.

So jd116's simpleton calculation are, as usual, worthless...
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Sol88's usual lies about posters and their posts.
Lukraak_Sisser's recent posts on the solar wind in general revealing Sol88 and his cult's denial of high school level electromagnetism.




Sol88's first lie about these posts: Lukraak says cant happen. when accelerated electrons and ions in unspecified directions in turbulent comet coma are not the oppositely accelerated electrons and ions in the solar wind in this cult's solar electric field.

Sol88's second lie about these posts is this post.
Oh, so it can happen now??

Cool


Glad you are able to learn.
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Great, back to the 'ol chestnut....
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's repeats his insane lies about a review that says a few asteroids have comet-like features.
Asteroid-Comet Continuum Objects in the Solar System.

More of Sol88's insanity in the rest of the post.
  • Insane stupidity that the EU has any stellar system formation model.
    The EU as represented by his cult has demented fantasies about Birkeland currents, plasma pinches , etc. doing whatever they imagine. That is not a model - that is fairy stories !
  • "Point is there is a mechanism for the production of water from comets" insanity when he only lies about a mechanism to replace the very little water on asteroids.
    We have a real mechanism for the production of water from comets - sublimation of water ices.
  • Sol88 delusions about molecular O2 etc. at comets.
  • Insanity that there is no ices inside comets when he agrees that comets are mostly dust and ices and there is little ice on the surface !
    Where does he think the rest of the ices are - inside the heads of his demented cult prophets ?
  • Insanity of " imaginary ice hidden" when Deep Impact on Tempel excavated ices from inside the comet and Rosetta showed that the interior of 67P was not his delusion of rock (i.e. ices and dust).

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Old 16th October 2019, 12:04 AM   #172
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Static electricity, lol...

Yup, you've nailed elementary and high school level electrostatics alright!

Now, how about electrodynamics?
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Insanity that there is no ices inside comets when he agrees that comets are mostly dust and ices and there is little ice on the surface
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Ummm...no Sol88 agrees with the preeminent cometary scientist of the time M.A'Hearn.

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(c) What are comets made of? At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
This has been supported by Martin Pätzold et al

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and, not so unrealistically, the nucleus would be a highly porous stony agglomerate, essentially devoid of volitiles.
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The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice. The total mass loss M puts hard constraints on the models of interpretation of the observations from other instruments on Rosetta.
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It seems that the lost gas mass was overestimated by the instruments.
This has now been confirmed by the latest paper on ROSINA & MIRO.


Mainstream, you have a problem...
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2I/Borisov: Interstellar comet with a familiar look

Shusss, it messes with the nebula collapse theory. Forget it
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This has now been confirmed by the latest paper on ROSINA & MIRO.
No, it hasn't.
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2I/Borisov: Interstellar comet with a familiar look

Shusss, it messes with the nebula collapse theory. Forget it
Please be so kind to enlighten us on how you arrived at this bold conclusion.
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Please be so kind to enlighten us on how you arrived at this bold conclusion.
A healthy dose of scientific illiteracy, topped with a lack of comprehension. Just a guess.
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No, it hasn't.

Long-term monitoring of the outgassing and composition of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko with the Rosetta/MIRO instrument

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We find a peak production of water of 0.8 × 1028 molec. s−1, 2.5 times lower than measured by the ROSINA experiment, and place an upper limit to a 50% additional production that could come from the sublimation of icy grains.

Problem is no icy grains observed.
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Please be so kind to enlighten us on how you arrived at this bold conclusion.
Same way as mainstream evoking planet migrations,,,
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity, e.g. his insane insults of Michael Francis A'Hearn who never agreed with Sol88's insanity that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) .
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2I/Borisov: Interstellar comet with a familiar look

Shusss, it messes with the nebula collapse theory. Forget it
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about what he cites.
2I/Borisov: Interstellar comet with a familiar look does not say anything about the nebula collapse theory but anyone with 2 brain cells can make a rational deduction from the article.
The article is observations that 2I/Borisov's color and other properties are similar to our comets. Our comets were formed by the collapse of a nebula. 2I/Borisov looks like our comets. Thus the evidence is that 2I/Borisov was formed by the collapse of a nebula !
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Long-term monitoring of the outgassing and composition of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko with the Rosetta/MIRO instrument
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies about science.
Rosetta/MIRO (Microwave Instrument for the Rosetta Orbiter) instrument measures gases. Sol88 insanely wants it to detect ice grains !
Sol88's insanity in his lie is doubled because Sol88 been citing the detections of ice grains around 67P for years (since 2015?) !
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Same way as mainstream evoking planet migrations,,,
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's insanely lies about Sol88 !
Sol88 has delusions and writes lies about astronomy. Look at Sol88's insanity that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!).
From just the last couple of days (there are 1000's of deluded and lying posts from Sol88 over the last 10 or more years).
  1. Sol88 insanity that a gas measuring instrument has to detect ice grains
  2. Sol88's insane lie that ice grains around 67P have not been detected when he has cited their detection over many years!
  3. Sol88's insane lie that 2I/Borisov invalidates the nebula collapse theory when it supports the model!
  4. Insane stupidity that the EU has any stellar system formation model.
  5. Lies about a mechanism to replace the very little water on asteroids.
  6. Sol88 delusions about molecular O2 etc. at comets.
  7. Insanity that there is no ices inside comets when he agrees that comets are mostly dust and ices and there is little ice on the surface !
  8. Insanity of " imaginary ice hidden" when Deep Impact on Tempel excavated ices from inside the comet and Rosetta showed that the interior of 67P was not his delusion of rock (i.e. ices and dust).

Astronomers write scientific models of the early solar system and see that planets migrate.

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50% additional production that could come from the sublimation of icy grains.
Could?

Maybe not, then what?

Overestimated based on an incorrect and outdated model of comets.

Maybe instead of being mostly ice they are mostly rock (Asteroids on eccentric orbits). Maybe see if you can slip that into the Dirtysnowball model. (I guess that might make things complicated, bit like using ideal gas laws on a 100% plasma Star.)

Researchers discover how water is regenerated on asteroids

Not just water, I suspect.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual lies about posts and posters.
Anyone cane read that Sol88 has been spewing out lies to an insane level in this thread over more than 10 years. From just the last couple of days (there are 1000's of deluded and lying posts from Sol88 over the last 10 or more years) is a tiny sample of the insanity and lies.
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Old 16th October 2019, 02:02 PM   #187
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity.
From just the last couple of days (there are 1000's of deluded and lying posts from Sol88 over the last 10 or more years) is a tiny sample of the insanity and lies.
We detect ice grains in comet coma (Sol88's insanity incudes that these do not exist when he has cited papers detecting them at 67P!). Ices inside the frost line of the Solar System sublimate. That is the source of the outgassing of comets. Those ice grains must be sublimating. Anyone with a couple of brains cells will agree that "50% additional production that could come from the sublimation of icy grains" is possible.

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We detect ice grains in comet coma (Sol88's insanity incudes that these do not exist when he has cited papers detecting them at 67P!).
Pony up then champ.

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At the scale of the COSIMA image resolution (pixel size is 14mm), there is no hint of volatiles having left the grains after collection. In other words, there is no indication of an ice–mineral mixture, or of pure icy grains hitting the target. This is in contrast to cometary grains remotely observed, or collected before the Rosetta mission.
Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko sheds dust coat accumulated over the past four years

So Reality Checks
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Anyone with a couple of brains cells will agree that "50% additional production that could come from the sublimation of icy grains" is possible.
Could, if there was indeed icy grains at 67P. Otherwise youve WAAAAYY overestimated water production!



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The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice
The Nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Part I: The global view – nucleus mass, mass-loss, porosity, and implications

Once we envisioned
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Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited
Yup, using mainstream models and Rosetta's data has revised the dirtysnowball to a highly porous dust ball with no ice... ouch!
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity.
From just the last couple of days (there are 1000's of deluded and lying posts from Sol88 over the last 10 or more years) is a tiny sample of the insanity and lies.
"We detect ice grains in comet coma (Sol88's insanity incudes that these do not exist when he has cited papers detecting them at 67P!). ".

Sol88's insanity of citing a paper starting with "Comets are composed of dust and frozen gases"!
Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko sheds dust coat accumulated over the past four years
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Comets are composed of dust and frozen gases....
Once the mantle is shed, unprocessed material starts to supply the developing coma, radically changing its dust component, which then also contains icy grains, as detected during encounters with other comets closer to the Sun4,5
The COSIMA instrument did not see the grains it collected evaporate as "(nearly) pure water-ice" would within its image resolution.

If this was not just more of Sol88's insanity, I would do more than rely on my memory of his vast output of past insanity.

Sol88 persists with insane lies by quote mining a single scenario from The Nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Part I: The global view – nucleus mass, mass-loss, porosity, and implications

Sol88 persists with insane "no ice" lies. ~50% ices found for Tempel 1. > 17% ices found for 67P.

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So none found at 67P, ok then.

So we are back to
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The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice
Martin Pätzold


Quote mined that little chestnut!

Are you calling Martin Pätzold incompetent, just because it doesn't fit with the comets are mostly ice model, Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited

So M.A'Hearn would be more correct in calling comets as mostly "dust"? Same as Martin Pätzold et al?
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So, Reality Check has now formed the opinion that both M.A'Hearn and Martin Pätzold are poor misguided souls.

One fella called the well known and accepted story of comets as mostly ice and said they're mostly rock and the other poor bloke reckons there's little to no ice on a least a dusty comet.


Not much wiggle room left before a new mainstream model MUST be put forward.
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So, Reality Check has now formed the opinion that both M.A'Hearn and Martin Pätzold are poor misguided souls.

One fella called the well known and accepted story of comets as mostly ice and said they're mostly rock and the other poor bloke reckons there's little to no ice on a least a dusty comet.


Not much wiggle room left before a new mainstream model MUST be put forward.
There is ice. As proven. Enough to stop the solar wind in its tracks. And Patzold is likely wrong. As pointed out by Fulle. And nobody has claimed that comets are mostly ice for decades. That is your own pathetic strawman, which you have been told about repeatedly. Continuing to lie about it is not going to make it come true.
You have no model. It failed. You are grasping at straws of your own making to cover up your embarrassment of the electric comet woo having been totally falsified by observations. You have nowhere left to go.
If comets are little different to asteroids, why do comets develop comae, when the vast majority of asteroids don't? You have no answer. You ran away when Indagator asked you about it. I repeat - YOU HAVE NO MODEL.
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Otherwise youve WAAAAYY overestimated water production!
Wrong. Email Patzold and ask him for his estimate. Unless and until you do that, you are lying.
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Same way as mainstream evoking planet migrations,,,
this translates to "i haven't got the foggiest, but i will just claim something else to hide my ignorance"
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actually a factor of 2.5 between two vastly different, non-intercalibrated instruments is frigging amazing, in my opinion. i have not had the time to read the paper (too busy with CometInterceptor) so i do not know the details, but still, one measures particles, the other radiation.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity gets worse - insane lies about posts and posters.
I have written over the last few years that M.A'Hearn was a respected astronomer with hundreds of paper on ices and dust comets It is Sol88 who is persistently insulting M.A'Hearn by associating M.A'Hearn with Sol88's utterly deluded fantasies about comets.
I have not written anything about Martin Pätzold. It is Sol88 who has been lying about Pätzold's (and evey other mainstream paper!) papers.

From just the last couple of days (there are 1000's of deluded and lying posts from Sol88 over the last 10 or more years) is a tiny sample of the insanity and lies.
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One fella called the well known and accepted story of comets as mostly ice and said they're mostly rock and the other poor bloke reckons there's little to no ice on a least a dusty comet.
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity.
A'Hearn wrote hundreds of papers on ices and dust comets. A'Hearn wrote 1 paper near the end of his life where he stated his opinion that astronomers are evolving toward comets made of more dust (refectory material/rock/other terms astronomer use for cometary dust) than ices. This is a valid opinion. We have measured dust/ices ratio for 2 comets of > ~50% and > ~17%. With more data we may find in the future that an average comet is say ~33% ices.

This is not Sol88's insanity that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

Sol88's "there's little to no ice on a least a dusty comet" is totally insane. A dusty comet obviously has little ices ! Any dusty comet that has sublimated all of its ices will have no ices.

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies.
Ice grains have been found at all comets as stated in the paper he cited ! That will incude observations of 67P. The letter from 2015 is that a single instrument on Rosetta did not collect any ice grains that subsequently evaporated leaving behind dark signatures (voids for ice and dust grains) in images. The letter gives the explanation that COSIMA collected particles during the shedding of a dust coat as in the title.
Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko sheds dust coat accumulated over the past four years

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Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03
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The ejected material comprised refractory grains of several hundred microns in size, and sub-micron-sized water ice grains.
Observed by Alice onboard Rosetta.
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actually a factor of 2.5 between two vastly different, non-intercalibrated instruments is frigging amazing, in my opinion. i have not had the time to read the paper (too busy with CometInterceptor) so i do not know the details, but still, one measures particles, the other radiation.
I mean you’re the expert, so if you say so.

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There is ice. As proven. Enough to stop the solar wind in its tracks. And Patzold is likely wrong.
jd116.

So you more or less back jonesdave116’s statement above?

Martin Patzold is wrong?

The ROSINA and MIRO instruments are, you know, more or less, on the money in your books?

Patzold should pull his head in with these outlandish, bordering on crank claims of a highly porous dusty nucleus with little to no ice?

Do you think the RSI experiment holds any merit? As this is the very thing I’m having trouble with proving the nucleus is charged affecting the assumed bulk density.

Seems it’s know reared it’s ugly mug in this paper.
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