ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Reply
Old 20th October 2019, 01:43 PM   #241
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies irrelevant to his demented cult's electric comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

We have measured comets to have a good fraction of ices. ~50% for Tempel 1. > 17% for 67P. 70 years of density measured suggests plenty of ices.

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 01:47 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 01:43 PM   #242
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
And again, you are lying. Get this through your thick head; Whipples's model was what was thought to be a reasonable model before we had visited a comet. Understand? Need it in pictures? Shall I write it in crayon for you?
Having visited a comet for the first time, in 1986 (nineteen eighty six) 33 (thirty three) years ago, ideas started to evolve based on information we did not have previously, and therefore could not have known. That is, we did not know it before. Understand? Not going too quickly, am I? Words aren't too long, are they?
Having visited more and more comets over the decades that came, and acquiring (getting) more information, they could therefore refine the model based on those observations. They did.
Then, in 2006, a couple of Velikovskian clowns wrote a bunch of scientifically impossible crap, believed only by the mentally afflicted, in which they set up the dirty snowball model from the 50s as a strawman, so the unqualified clowns could attack it. Only idiots believed them, and were conned by them. You seem to be the last of the aforementioned. Clear now?
Great post!

So what model are the mainstream using now then?

Please use big words and go a fast as you like... I’m all ears.

The mainstream are indeed refining or evolving their model (the first quantitative model, the Dirtysnowball) and I’m fully supportive of the revision mainstream have made so far.


So using the exact same argument you have used above...

Why do you have a problem with the following mainstream papers that are indeed evolving NOT refining the Mainstream model.

At some points is not a revision it’s a new model....comets are rocky bodies.

Quote:
At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
Comets: looking ahead

Quote:
The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice. The total mass loss M puts hard constraints on the models of interpretation of the observations from other instruments on Rosetta.
The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications

Quote:
Conclusions. In the framework of the presented model, which can be considered common in terms of assumptions and physical parameters in the cometary community, the dust removal by a gas drag force is not a plausible physical mechanism. The sublimation of not only water ice, but also of super-volatile ice (i.e., CO) is unable to remove dust grains for illumination conditions corresponding to 1.3 AU. Away out of this impasse requires revision of the most common model assumption employed by the cometary community.
Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko


Common model?


Jonesdave116, you have been asked before and have offered no answer just some dummy spitting hand wave confabulation of the facts.


What is the the standard common model of comets? As of 2019.

If we revise Whipple’s model at what point will it not be tenable? I believe mainstream have reached that point.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator

Last edited by Sol88; 20th October 2019 at 01:45 PM.
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 01:46 PM   #243
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies irrelevant to his demented cult's electric comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

We have measured comets to have a good fraction of ices. ~50% for Tempel 1. > 17% for 67P. 70 years of density measured suggests plenty of ices.

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 01:47 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 01:47 PM   #244
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies irrelevant to his demented cult's electric comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

We have measured comets to have a good fraction of ices. ~50% for Tempel 1. > 17% for 67P. 70 years of density measured suggests plenty of ices.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 01:48 PM   #245
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post

Ahhh, so it’s you that called Patzold demented.





Electric comet model has always said comets are rocky objects with little ice....


But the EC mob didn’t write a peer reviewed paper on it... but Martin Pätzold1, Thomas P. Andert2, Matthias Hahn1, Jean-Pierre Barriot3, Sami W. Asmar4, Bernd Häusler2, Michael K. Bird1, Silvia Tellmann1, Janusz Oschlisniok1, Kerstin Peter1 did

Quote:
The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice.
So a paper that lends credence to the ELECTRIC COMET is poo pooed. This is the scientific method???
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator

Last edited by Sol88; 20th October 2019 at 01:51 PM.
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 01:55 PM   #246
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane insults of astronomers and insane lies about papers irrelevant to his demented cult's electric comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

No astronomer is insane enough to believe in Sol88's insanity about comets above.
No paper has stated that all comets have "little to no ices" because we have measured comets to have a good fraction of ices. ~50% for Tempel 1. > 17% for 67P. 70 years of density measured suggests plenty of ices. Sol88's insane lie is that a paper describing a range of dust/ices ratios is says all comets are dusty comets with "little to no ices".
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 01:58 PM   #247
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane insults of astronomers irrelevant to his demented cult's electric comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 02:03 PM   #248
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane questions irrelevant to his demented cult's electric comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

We have explained many times to Sol88 what science is and we still get totally insane questions about science !

jonesdave116 wrote a great post explaining once more () that Whipples's model was from the 1950's. We have 70 years of more empirical evidence and progress in physics. The modern cometary model is a large body of empirical evidence and physics that did not exist n the 1950's (MHD was just beginning as a model of plasma, PIC simulation of plasma were barely ideas!).

Sol88 insanely agrees with "couple of Velikovskian clowns" (his cult prophets !), "scientifically impossible crap" (Sol88's electric comet insanity ), "believed only by the mentally afflicted", and "only idiots believed them" (I wonder who that includes !).

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 02:20 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 02:11 PM   #249
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies about posts and posters. My post was that Sol88's cult are demented because Sol88's insane religious dogma is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !
Quote:
Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies irrelevant to his demented cult's eclectic comet insanity. Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !
Sol88 is writing insane lies about the Patzold et. al. paper.
Patzold et. al. is a paper written rational, knowledgeable astronomers. The paper may have an error as pointed out by Fulle. All astronomers researching comets know the over 70 years of empirical data on comets. None would write Sol88's insane lie that all comets have "little to no ices". They would write the rational statement that dusty comets have little to no ices because that is what dusty means!

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 02:28 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 02:23 PM   #250
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post



So a paper that lends credence to the ELECTRIC COMET is poo pooed. This is the scientific method???
It lends no credence to the scientifically impossible garbage peddled by EU wooists. None whatever. There are plenty of volatiles. You cannot explain them. Patzold is not stupid enough to think there are no ices, because we can see the sublimation products of those ices. We can see the ice! We blew a shed load out of Tempel 1.
If you want support for your idiotic woo, go through the data and find the EDM! (lol)
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 02:29 PM   #251
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
The Nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Part I: The global view – nucleus mass, mass-loss, porosity, and implications by Martin Pätzol, Thomas P Andert, Matthias Hahn, Jean-Pierre Barriot, Sami W Asmar, Bernd Häusler, Michael K Bird, Silvia Tellmann, Janusz Oschlisniok, Kerstin Peter (Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volume 483, Issue 2, February 2019)
Quote:
The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice.
By "very little" they mean a dust-to-ice mass ratio between 14% and 33% as explicitly stated in the abstract ("3 ≤ Fnucleus ≤ 7."). That is "very little" compared to the 2005 impact on Tempel 1 (~50% ices) and what we expected in the 1950's for comets formed in the early solar system. The high porosity of 67P is also in the abstract.
High porosity + a good fraction of ices = Sol88's persistent and insane lie that this is actual rock blasted from rocky planets, etc.

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 02:42 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 05:31 PM   #252
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
It lends no credence to the scientifically impossible garbage peddled by EU wooists. None whatever. There are plenty of volatiles. You cannot explain them. Patzold is not stupid enough to think there are no ices, because we can see the sublimation products of those ices. We can see the ice! We blew a shed load out of Tempel 1.
If you want support for your idiotic woo, go through the data and find the EDM! (lol)
Sublimation can not even lift the dust of the surface!

Wee wee weak dude.

This is what the observation, data and experimentation have confirmed.

sublimation has NOT been observed, it's inferrred. The assumed duaghter products from "sublimaion" has also lead you to belive comets are MOSTLY ICE.

OUr understanding has evolved, towards MOSTLY ROCK.

Problem for YOU (mainstream) is the "volatiles". You cannot explain them.

In the Electric comet, we need H,C,O and an electric field.
Check
Check
Check
Check

Simple electro_ chemistry is the result!


Could molecular oxygen be common on comets?



Ice....
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 05:34 PM   #253
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
the dirty snowball was the FIRST model of a comet build in the 1950s with NO close encounter with a comet, and from the ground one can only see the huge coma.

only in 1986 we got the first picture of the nucleus of a comet (1P/Halley in this case) from Giotto

since then the "dirty snowball" developed further into the "snowy dirtball" and on and on as we get more data

and yes, journalists, and YOU, like to continue the "dirty snowball", the journalists because they probably don't know better, you because you need to hang on to a strawman in order to "scandalize" mainstream, and to play games here, so that other members do the literature research for you after you give up some farts again, and then when you don't like the result you give a "trump hissy fit".

if you want "fulle vs pätzold" then YOU take all the papers, read them, and then make a consize summary of both and discuss the merits of either paper, maybe then there will be a usefull discussion in this thread THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE ELECTRIC COMET IDEA and not mainstream bashing.

Do have a mainstream model update, tusenfem?
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 05:53 PM   #254
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies about comets. Sol88's insane religious dogma is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !
Sol88's insane lie here is that sublimation cannot lift the dust of the surface of comets. The single paper that he cited found that in their model, some dust grains would not be lifted from the surface and that all other grains would be lifted from the surface.

Sol88 insanely thinks we can and have to observe ices actually sublimating. We can almost observe ices sublimating, e.g. patches of water ices changing as sunlight hits then, gases jetting from pits, etc.

Sol88's usual insane "MOSTLY ICE" lies.
The observed daughter products from near-surface ices sublimating tell us that there are near-surface ices sublimating .
Comets were thought to be mostly ice because they formed in the early Solar System but that has not been the case for decades. Flybys of comets from the 1980's suggested that comets held more dust than expected. Tempel 1 is ~50% ices not mostly ices . 567 is > 17% ices not mostly ices.

What makes this utter insanity is that Sol88 is obsessed with insulting the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn whose opinion was that we are evolving toward comets being mostly dust !

Sol88's insane lie of "Problem for YOU (mainstream) is the "volatiles". You cannot explain them." lie when we explained the volatiles 70 years ago !
Sol88's insane religious dogma is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!). That insanity cannot explain the volatiles that we measure. he ignorant fantasies of an electrochemist do not explain the volatiles that we measure. Sol88's insane delusions about that deluded electrochemistry certainly does not explain the volatiles that we measure

Sol88's usual insane lies about Sol88's religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!). His insane delusions actually need an solar electric field to do whatever they imagine !

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 06:00 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 05:54 PM   #255
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of derailing from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 06:42 PM   #256
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Not actual rock, mostly rock.

This as you remember is the start of this thread.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 06:52 PM   #257
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
....
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of lying about Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

For others:
The demented Thunderbolts cult that Sol88 belongs to starts with the long debunked ideas of Immanuel Velikovsky. That was the delusion that Venus erupted from Jupiter (because of a Greek myth), passed by Earth to stop its rotation because of Biblical poetic license about the sack of Jericho and a day later Venus passed by again to magically restart Earth rotating at exactly the same spin. A delusion of manna from Venus passing by again because he thought Venus had hydrocarbons in its atmosphere (a quickly fixed error in the first news of 1962 Mariner 2 results).
The Thunderbolts cult extend this delusion to the insanity that planets bounce around the solar System blasting each other with lightning bolts. This blasts actual rock from rocky planets to magically create the comets and asteroids. This is obviously insane. There is no physics to support their deluded idea of planets bouncing around. Lightning bolts occur through the breakdown of a dielectric medium (air on Earth) - space contains the conductive plasma of the solar wind. The volume of comets alone is a good % of a planet. The orbits of comets gives their origins to the outer solar system (Jupiter and beyond). There is the religious dogma that Earth is special because Earth cannot do that "bouncing" since we have been in about the same orbit for 4.6 billion years. We have collect duct grains from a comet and none of them are from rocky planets. We measure that comets are made of ice and dust - 67P is > 17% ices, Tempel 1 ~50% ices. We measure that the mean density of comets is 0.6 g/cc while the mean density of asteroids is 3.0 g/cc.

The demented fantasy of "little ices" is their inane stupidity that "little" means anything they want. In the real world, "little ices" means a dust to ices ratio of 3 to 7 for 67P (14% to 33% ices).

Anyone who knows about comets and browses the cult's web site can see blatant lies about mainstream comets. No surprise that this thread has 1000's of lies about the mainstream when Sol88 has his cult's example to follow !
The insane level of lies in just 1 page from Jul 01, 2004 and still there (15 years of lies!).
"According to a recent press release..." is the cult's persistent stupidity of relying on press releases.
"Some of the jets emanated from the dark unheated side of the comet-an anomaly no one had expected." is 2 lies. The dark side is not unheated because heat travels through bodies. That is why the mainstream has the entire comet heating up to sublimate ices on all sides producing jets on all sides of a comet. It is the electric comet insanity that only has jets on the sunlit sides toward the Sun (their jet insiatiy is that they are electrical arcs).
"Wild 2's surface was covered with "spires, pits and craters" that could only be supported by rock, not by sublimating ice or snow". This is insane because snow even in Earth's gravity forms "spires, pits and craters" ! The tiny gravity on comets allows larger "spires, pits and craters" to form.
Their insanity of "asteroids Eros and Mathilda and Ida", "scarred surface of the Martian moon Phobos", etc. which are not comets."
A "X-rays and ultraviolet light" lie - electrical discharges produce specific radiation that has never been detected at comets.

And emphasizing Sol88's insane lies about his cult's electric comet: "In the electrical hypothesis, a rock moving rapidly through the electric field of the Sun..." followed by an insane lie of "The predictions of the model are testable" when they have no testable predictions.

Last edited by Reality Check; 20th October 2019 at 07:46 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 07:47 PM   #258
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
no, that is NOT what started this thread, whether comets are ice or rock, if you go back 5 threads yiu will see that thus is about the electric comet idea, which you have not added anything towards, apart from cherry picking sentences from e.g. rpc papers without understbanding them or checking whether they would fit in your electric ideas (which the don't because the electric fields that are there cannot possibly do what you want them to do and often point in the wrong direction).
Talking about electrical fields.

What’s ur take on electric fields on the surface of comets, tusenfem.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th October 2019, 08:12 PM   #259
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of asking about mainstream physics to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

For others:
The mainstream physics seems to be that there is no clear empirical evidence of electrical fields on comet nuclei. There is mainstream physics that allows electrostatic charging of comet nuclei and thus electrical fields on comet nuclei. Before a comet coma forms and shields the surface from the solar wind, the solar wind can interact with the nucleus. This is proposed as a small source of dust being moved across and perhaps ejected from mainstream comets for a short period between the time they get deep into the solar wind and sublimating ices form their coma. I think the indirect evidence for this is "dunes" that we have seen on 67P.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 01:17 AM   #260
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Not actual rock, mostly rock.

This as you remember is the start of this thread.
There is zero rock. Fact.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 01:26 AM   #261
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Sublimation can not even lift the dust of the surface!

Wee wee weak dude.

This is what the observation, data and experimentation have confirmed.

sublimation has NOT been observed, it's inferrred. The assumed duaghter products from "sublimaion" has also lead you to belive comets are MOSTLY ICE.

OUr understanding has evolved, towards MOSTLY ROCK.

Problem for YOU (mainstream) is the "volatiles". You cannot explain them.

In the Electric comet, we need H,C,O and an electric field.
Check
Check
Check
Check

Simple electro_ chemistry is the result!


Could molecular oxygen be common on comets?



Ice....
Nurse! Nurse! He's out of bed again! Sol has gone full woo! Lol.

Sublimation is seen. As you have been linked to. So quit lying.
There is nothing assumed about the daughter products of sublimation. They are seen. So quit lying.
There is no rock. As you know. So quit lying.
The volatiles are easily explained, as you know. So quit lying.
The electric comet woo is dead, and has no way to explain the volatiles, as you know. So quit lying.
Electrochemistry? Lol. Go have a lie down.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 05:52 AM   #262
steenkh
Philosopher
 
steenkh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Denmark
Posts: 5,668
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
So a paper that lends credence to the ELECTRIC COMET is poo pooed.
I missed this credence. In what way has the ELECTRIC COMET theory gained credence?
__________________
Steen

--
Jack of all trades - master of none!
steenkh is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 10:28 AM   #263
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
I missed this credence. In what way has the ELECTRIC COMET theory gained credence?
You didn't hear?
August 2015; massive spike seen in magnetometer data, indicative of EDM (lol). Coincident spike in Alice data indicating sudden production of O- ions.
A mysterious influx of solar wind H+ seen within the diamagnetic cavity by RPC-IES.
A subsequent spike in water production detected by ROSINA and MIRO.
Optical instruments saw a giant jet heading away from the comet. It's spectrum was consistent with an electric discharge!

Or.......I might have made that up. Just to show Sol how high the burden of proof required actually is, to be consistent with the unscientific fairy tale that he believes.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 10:31 AM   #264
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 86,023
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Geez, ya take off for a week fishing and more confirmation of charge and electric fields...

Researchers discover how water is regenerated on asteroids



and comets!!!

as proposed by Dr. Franklin Anariba

Comets as Water Factories | Space New



Funny how it works out...


now...lets hear jd116 whine on that it cant happpen
How does any of this support your claim?
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 11:03 AM   #265
tusenfem
Master Poster
 
tusenfem's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,548
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Talking about electrical fields.

What’s ur take on electric fields on the surface of comets, tusenfem.
depending on the activity of the comet they more or less pronounced
__________________
20 minutes into the future
This message is bra-bra-brought to you by z-z-z-zik zak
And-And-And I'm going to be back with you - on Network 23 after these real-real-real-really exciting messages

(Max Headroom)
follow me on twitter: @tusenfem, or follow Rosetta Plasma Consortium: @Rosetta_RPC
tusenfem is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 11:07 AM   #266
tusenfem
Master Poster
 
tusenfem's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,548
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
How does any of this support your claim?
you don't ask sol for explanations or support, you just have to trust him
__________________
20 minutes into the future
This message is bra-bra-brought to you by z-z-z-zik zak
And-And-And I'm going to be back with you - on Network 23 after these real-real-real-really exciting messages

(Max Headroom)
follow me on twitter: @tusenfem, or follow Rosetta Plasma Consortium: @Rosetta_RPC
tusenfem is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 12:57 PM   #267
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
You didn't hear?
August 2015; massive spike seen in magnetometer data, indicative of EDM (lol). Coincident spike in Alice data indicating sudden production of O- ions.
A mysterious influx of solar wind H+ seen within the diamagnetic cavity by RPC-IES.
A subsequent spike in water production detected by ROSINA and MIRO.
Optical instruments saw a giant jet heading away from the comet. It's spectrum was consistent with an electric discharge!

Or.......I might have made that up. Just to show Sol how high the burden of proof required actually is, to be consistent with the unscientific fairy tale that he believes.

Like this you mean...The 2016 Feb 19 outburst of comet 67P/CG: an ESA Rosetta multi-instrument study doi:10.1093/mnras/stw2088

Ok.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 12:58 PM   #268
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
depending on the activity of the comet they more or less pronounced
So they can be there.... cheers


Rock
Surface electric fields...


I like this new Dirtysnowball model, sounds very familiar.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 01:01 PM   #269
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
How does any of this support your claim?
The inferred mostly icy comets is incorrect.

Comets are rocky objects able to MAKE WATER in situ....

Just like EVERYWHERE else in the universe.

So so simple. Comets ARE NOT leftovers from some imaginary construct.

So, keep it up mainstream, your getting there....slowly.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 01:01 PM   #270
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of citing mainstream comet papers to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !
.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 01:03 PM   #271
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of lying about mainstream ices and dust comets.
Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

tusenfem wrote depending on the activity of the comet they more or less pronounced more or less pronounced. That is the well known cometary physics that the solar wind and solar radiation can electrostatically charge the surface of a comet especially when the comet does not have a coma. So we expect existing dust to be electrostatically lifted.

This is not about Sol88's insane delusions of magical, invisible electric fields strong enough to tear solid rock apart !

Last edited by Reality Check; 21st October 2019 at 01:11 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 01:08 PM   #272
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of insane lies about mainstream comets yet again. We have not thought of comets being mostly ices for a couple of decades, especially since Deep Impact in 2005 (Tempel 1 ices ~ 50%) and Rosetta in 2014 (67P ices > 17%).

Nothing to do with Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

Sol88 insanity that the nebular hypothesis is "imaginary" when all Sol88's demented cult has is insane delusions about how stellar systems form.
We have the real universe and real working physics.

Sol88's usual insane lies about the mainstream which does not know about Sol88's demented cult. A few scientists may know of Sol88's Thunderbolts cult as a bunch of deluded idiots. Anyone with a few brain cells who reads about the Thunderbolts cult cults knows that they are deluded idiots. This thread and especially Sol88's over 10 years of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. demonstrates that the Thunderbolts cult is deluded and idiotic.

For others:
How Sol88 and his demented cult are insanely deluded about the nebular hypothesis (and all of astronomy!). The real universe has giant molecular clouds. Textbook physics shows that these clouds are unstable. Random clumping will cause them to collapse and fragment. Interaction with the rest of the universe (e.g. a nearby nova or supernova) will cause them to collapse and fragment. Conservation of angular momentum makes these collapsing clouds form disks. The inner part of the disk forms a star, the rest is available to make planets, moons, asteroids and comets.
The real insanity of Sol88's cult is denying the physical evidence of the nebular hypothesis. We have images of just about every part of this process from collapsing molecular cloud, to young stars to new planets clearing their orbits and comets around young stellar systems!

Last edited by Reality Check; 21st October 2019 at 01:37 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 02:10 PM   #273
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
The inferred mostly icy comets is incorrect.

Comets are rocky objects able to MAKE WATER in situ....

Just like EVERYWHERE else in the universe.

So so simple. Comets ARE NOT leftovers from some imaginary construct.

So, keep it up mainstream, your getting there....slowly.
Nope, and not a single scientist is claiming such a thing. So, there is nothing to catch up to. Unless you are referring to a bunch of scientifically illiterate Velikovskians that nobody sane takes seriously?
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 02:14 PM   #274
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
So they can be there.... cheers


Rock
Surface electric fields...


I like this new Dirtysnowball model, sounds very familiar.
No rock, and the electric fields inferred on the surface are the same as those inferred for asteroids. Which do not out-gas. And are likely not there when the comet is most active. However, they will be present permanently at asteroids. So, why aren't asteroids on elliptical orbits outgassing like crazy? You cannot answer, and run away every time you are asked. Why do you think nobody believes in your fairy tale? Because it has no science.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 02:16 PM   #275
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Quote:
scientifically illiterate Velikovskian

Velikovskian???


We are talking the failure of the Dirtysnowball and the rise of the electric comet alternative here.

What’s makes Velikovski a crank again? Couple dot point is ok.
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 02:16 PM   #276
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Like this you mean...The 2016 Feb 19 outburst of comet 67P/CG: an ESA Rosetta multi-instrument study doi:10.1093/mnras/stw2088

Ok.
Sorry? Where is your woo in that paper? Point it out, so that I can show, once again, that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Like shooting fish in a barrel, but what the hell - get on with it.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 02:20 PM   #277
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Velikovskian???


We are talking the failure of the Dirtysnowball and the rise of the electric comet alternative here.

What’s makes Velikovski a crank again? Couple dot point is ok.
No, you're lying about the mainstream model to try to make your failed woo look less idiotic than it is. It is unscientific gibberish, believed only by Velikovskian clowns. Zero science. Nothing to do with science. All to do with loons who believe Earth used to orbit Saturn, and planets were zipping around like billiard balls, a week ago last Tuesday! Nobody sane believes crap like that. And the people that believe crap like that, are the ones that came up with this electric comet woo. Which has failed, 100%. As shown.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 02:45 PM   #278
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,810
As for Patzold; it looks like he is going to have to be the one to alter his perspective. Given all the variables, and the number of instruments that have measured the volatile rates, it is seen that the dust:gas ratio in the lost mass has to be between 2:3 & 3:2. That is, 0.67 -1.5:1. There is no way around it, as far as I can see. The only thing he can have gotten wrong is the fallback mass. Most of the lost mass comes in a period around perihelion, in southern summer. It is known that the some of the dust ejected from the south is re-deposited in the north.

The Surface Distributions of the Production of the Major Volatile Species, H2O, CO2, CO and O2, from the Nucleus of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko throughout the Rosetta Mission as Measured by the ROSINA Double Focusing Mass Spectrometer
Combi, M. et al. (2019)
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1909/1909.02082.pdf
Quote:
Finally, we estimated the total mass loss distribution of the comet at stages throughout the mission. Not surprisingly most of the mass was lost during the few months around perihelion when the production rates were the largest. A total volatile mass loss of (6.3±2.0)x 109kg was found. Also, not surprisingly most of the surface loss throughout the apparition occurs in the southern hemisphere because of its large solar exposure during southern summer that occurs just after perihelion. We also used the total mass loss of the nucleus reported by the RSI team together with the total volatiles mass loss that implied a refractory/ice ratio somewhat less than one
.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin

Last edited by jonesdave116; 21st October 2019 at 02:47 PM.
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 03:56 PM   #279
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 25,757
Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
...
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies.

Sol88 does belong to a demented scientifically illiterate Velikovskian cult.

Sol88's insane lie about talking about mainstream ices and dust comets. Sol88 has been lying about mainstream ices and dust comets for many years.
This thread is about Sol88's demented cult's electric comet insane dogma. Sol88's insane religious dogma is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) !

Sol88's insane lie that there is a "Dirtysnowball" when he quotes A'Hearn writing that astronomers are evolving toward comets with more dust than ices.

Sol88's insane lie that Sol88's insane religious comet dogma is "rising" when only an obscure group of idiots in a cult believe in it.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st October 2019, 05:47 PM   #280
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,917
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
No, you're lying about the mainstream model to try to make your failed woo look less idiotic than it is. It is unscientific gibberish, believed only by Velikovskian clowns. Zero science. Nothing to do with science. All to do with loons who believe Earth used to orbit Saturn, and planets were zipping around like billiard balls, a week ago last Tuesday! Nobody sane believes crap like that. And the people that believe crap like that, are the ones that came up with this electric comet woo. Which has failed, 100%. As shown.

What a complete crackpot this Velikovski bloke is, nobody sane would believe planets migrating through the solar system.


Planets were zipping around like billiard balls, ya say?
__________________
“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.

“The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:53 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.