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Old 29th October 2019, 05:18 PM   #1
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why is Islam taught in AMerican public schools when prayer is not allowed?

Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not. Does this not violate the laws against the church and state? I don't believe religion of any description should be taught in public schools.
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Old 29th October 2019, 05:29 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not. Does this not violate the laws against the church and state? I don't believe religion of any description should be taught in public schools.
It might help if you gave examples...
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Old 29th October 2019, 05:29 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not.
I don't think this is actually true.

https://www.adl.org/education/resour...ols/curriculum

https://www.wmfe.org/bible-study-in-...l-passes/96021
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The closest thing I can think of are the old multi-cultural assemblies. But I haven't been in school since the late 90s so maybe it's changed?
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not. Does this not violate the laws against the church and state? I don't believe religion of any description should be taught in public schools.
Can we get some sources on this?
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Typical right-wing BS. Kids can not be REQUIRED to pray in schools. In the USA, that's mostly to the Xian "God", but they cannot be required to pray to Allah (which just means "God") either.
Teaching ABOUT various religions is not only acceptable, but desirable.
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Old 29th October 2019, 07:15 PM   #7
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Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools
As we are making unsubstantiated claims, may I remind you that I am the Queen of England, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, Queen, Defender of the Faith.
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As we are making unsubstantiated claims, may I remind you that I am the Queen of England, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas, Queen, Defender of the Faith.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not. Does this not violate the laws against the church and state? I don't believe religion of any description should be taught in public schools.
When I was in public school, high school to be specific, I once took a class about major world religions, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Possibly a few others. Other than that sort of general information (which certainly didn't favor any one religion over the others), I don't think public schools do teach (as in indoctrinate) any religion in particular.
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I taught kids the basics of Islam when I was in high school. It was so they knew something about the religion of the nation they represented in Model UN. It was pretty cool getting students to talk about the Five Pillars of Islam at 7:30 in the morning, well before regular classes started. Dedicated nerds.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools...

Stop acquiring information from inside of a bubble.
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This is one of those claims right-wing media play to gin the base up. No one else takes it seriously.

Hey Cainkane, most/all of us here in the US went to those same schools. What, was this going on in the bathroom or something?

This clickbait belongs in the CT forum.
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Sounds to me like an OP made from whole cloth!
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I learned about Islam in school...


and Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...

It was World History which you cant study without touching on religion.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not.
Yes they are. In my middle school social studies class we learned the basic beliefs of the world's "big 5" major religions, including Christianity.
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I think the distinction is between education about religion and religious education.
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I think the distinction is between education about religion and religious education.
And it is a pretty clear and fundamental distinction too, in my opinion; but some would like to ignore it for rhetorical reasons.
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Think the problem is you are always going to get "the" tutor who is over associated with one of them and it can get lopsided in the delivery.

I have no issue with religious classes on single religions being taught, as long as it isn't on school time (before/after school, or lunchtime type thing), and is purely opt in and not opt out.

Preferably not by one of the kids normal teachers, as it might start blurring lines in normal classes.
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Even if that happens, the damage is minimal. When facts about the world's religions are taught in social studies classes, it's not a year-long thing, or even semester-long. We're talking a single chapter in the textbook, so a couple of days maybe. A week tops.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
When I was in public school, high school to be specific, I once took a class about major world religions, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Possibly a few others. Other than that sort of general information (which certainly didn't favor any one religion over the others), I don't think public schools do teach (as in indoctrinate) any religion in particular.
That is for the opening of bible studies classes that are taught as religion not as literature/history.
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It's not supposed to be true. It's a story meant to cause consternation and make people vote for Trump. And it's only shared by people with the same inclinations.
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Sounds to me like an OP made from whole cloth shroud!
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The closest thing I can think of are the old multi-cultural assemblies. But I haven't been in school since the late 90s so maybe it's changed?
Mutliculturalism is a mechanation of the PC agenda.
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Typical right-wing BS. Kids can not be REQUIRED to pray in schools. In the USA, that's mostly to the Xian "God", but they cannot be required to pray to Allah (which just means "God") either.
Teaching ABOUT various religions is not only acceptable, but desirable.
XTIAN is not a valid word.
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Mutliculturalism is a mechanation of the PC agenda.
I don't think multiculturalismWP means what you think it means.
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Mutliculturalism is a mechanation of the PC agenda.
Yeah, personal computers are like that. Always trying to change people to become more machine-like.
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XTIAN is not a valid word.
There you go again.
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
XTIAN is not a valid word.
Personally I prefer James Madison's preferred abbreviation: "Xn."

https://www.loc.gov/resource/mjm.23_1175_1176/?st=text
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And while we’re at it, why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month?


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And while we’re at it, why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month?


WHITE is not a valid word???
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XTIAN is not a valid word.
You mean because you didn't capitalize it properly?
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XTIAN is not a valid word.
Who decided that?
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Who decided that?
XTIANs.

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It's not supposed to be true. It's a story meant to cause consternation and make people vote for Trump. And it's only shared by people with the same inclinations.
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Especially since such nonsense abounds in the UK and the last time we went to the polls Trumps name didn't appear on the ballot paper. i'll check again in December but I'm not holding my breath!
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Especially since such nonsense abounds in the UK and the last time we went to the polls Trumps name didn't appear on the ballot paper.
That's because over here we spell it J-O-H-N-S-O-N.

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I went to Catholic school and learned the history and basic tenets or Islam. We also learned about Hinduism, Judaism, Shintoism, Eastern Orthodox, and some of the major denominations of Protestantism. Somehow, my neighborhood of off the potato boat Irish immigrants didn't see any big controversy there.

And, oh ya, it's Cain, people. Come on.
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CainKane1. Different animal to Cain.
Worth pointing out.
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Muslim prayers and traditions are taught in public schools but Christianity and other religions are not. Does this not violate the laws against the church and state? I don't believe religion of any description should be taught in public schools.
If a school wants to include religion in their curriculum under social studies or cultural studies they're GTG.

In the early 1960's in Catholic school we had an introduction to Japanese culture that focused on art and the Japanese tea ceremony.

My uncle who had lived through the Pacific beach tours 42-45 was not amused.
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