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21st September 2017, 02:22 PM | #1 | |||
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The Deep State and its real motives
Oh that whacky Deep State. It can be anything you hate whenever it wants. It can't defend itself because it either doesn't really exist or is out playing a friendly against the CFR with Rothschild serving as a referee. So why not also say that it is actually just about sex with children?
And, hey, while were at it why not prop up Putin as the hero that wants to bring it all down? via RightWingWatch
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Now someone might think it is probably not a good idea for these two men to be so willing to throw around the pedophile accusation after they sorta accused a humble pizza joint of actually being the seventh seal to a Willy Wonka land of underage rape. An accusation that might have led to some unpleasantness. But people that would think they should probably not go down that road don't get just how awesome they think they are.
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And that Deep State? Clearly it just wants to protect its crimes against these valiant heroes as they maybe will get a pizza joint that actually does do things wrong next time. Maybe. Next time. And you might be wondering? Why isn't this in the Conspiracy section? Well, because what is the difference these days? The Deep State isn't something that only commenters on the net talk about. It is front line politics.
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21st September 2017, 04:23 PM | #4 |
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21st September 2017, 04:36 PM | #5 |
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Isn't there a whole Bubba thread on this?
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21st September 2017, 04:38 PM | #7 |
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21st September 2017, 04:55 PM | #8 |
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Man, I miss the NWO. And the illuminati before them.
So deep state is it now? Meh, it's an ok tag i guess. |
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21st September 2017, 06:29 PM | #10 |
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How is reference to the deep state not a topic for the conspiracy theory forums? You are in the wrong forum with this, Travis.
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21st September 2017, 06:58 PM | #11 |
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Depends what you mean by the term. It doesn't have to involve any shadowy cabals. It's often used to simply mean the collective self-interest of government employees, divergent from the country at large and even the elected politicians they nominally obey. No conspiracy is necessary for that. In fact, it's an almost unavoidable agency problem.
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21st September 2017, 08:17 PM | #12 |
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Deep state in the United States
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So when we hear that Trump ordered a nuclear strike on North Korea, but for some reason the missiles never got launched, then we will know the Deep State really exists! |
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21st September 2017, 11:54 PM | #13 |
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Well it seems there are two different things here.
There is the fantasy "Deep State" where Obama and Soros are giving marching orders to civil servants who are then conspiring to stop the Trump agenda. There is the real "deep state" which is civil servants just doing their damned job that happens to be at odds with the right wing nuttery. But what interests me is that Jones and Cernovich are claiming a new hybrid. They don't seem to be invoking the first they seem, instead, to be claiming the latter version is acting to protect its own interest which happen to be pro-pedophila. And that is why there is an ongoing Trump investigation etc. |
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Deep State is actually "Hi I'm Alan Jones and I say stupid weird **** to get your attention all the time. Buy my stuff! Send me money!"
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22nd September 2017, 04:02 AM | #15 |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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22nd September 2017, 04:48 AM | #18 |
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You must have me confused with someone else. I didn't lose an election.
But in your haste to get your usual jab in, you missed the point: Government ignores the will of the people all the time, one way or another, and sometimes it's justified. I think protecting minorities from abuse is a good example of something congress or the supreme court should enforce even if there's a wave of racial violence in the general population. Wouldn't you agree? |
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Zig, I didn't mean to be confrontational. You DID say "government" so I thought you were talking about that!
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Plenty of judges are elected. But no, I'm not suggesting making every government job an elected one. Even as a purely practical matter, it's not feasible.
Reducing the size of the state is absolutely one way to help. The smaller the role of government, the less any problems with government matter. Getting rid of public sector unions is another (even that liberal saint FDR recognized the threat they represented), which we could do without shrinking government. And making it easier to fire government employees is another (see the whole VA fiasco). |
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"Deep state" is a conspiracy nutjob term, by and for conspiracy nutjobs. Stop trying to normalize it by assigning spurious mundane meanings. Alex Jones isn't talking about an agency problem in which long-term inertia and employees' interpretation of their job is suddenly called into conflict by the election of a radical. There's already a perfectly adequate term for that: "bureaucracy." Literally, "rule by the office."
No, by "deep state" Alex Jones means a secret cabal of pedophiles who control the media and apparently direct all anti-Russian sentiment. Those are very different things. |
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Alex Jones didn't coin it, but he's using it correctly. It's always meant a secret shadow government.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep..._United_States The pedophile thing is new, though. |
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22nd September 2017, 04:10 PM | #34 |
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Congressional oversight is the mechanism. Having been for a small part of my life an un-elected member of the executive branch (commissioned officer in the Navy) I was for a few years in an office that did one dozen formal responses to Congressional Inquires that began when someone wrote to their congressman that "X" was wrong or "X" was unfair.
Every so often, you'll find that the Congressional inquiry discovers a wrong being done, and corrected, and other times you'll find that the inquiry discovers that the unelected are in fact doing their jobs by the congressionally approved regulation / law. How well that functions at the state level I won't try to comment upon, as I do not have detailed experience with that. I stand by my initial response that the Deep State topic that Travis has broached belongs in the CT forum. |
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But it does mean that folks who know about Alex's version of the term will start to wonder if you're a kook. I assume I understand what you mean by the term; the deep state is the entrenched bureaucracy that resists change. It's not some organized conspiracy, but rather the effect of thousands and thousands of individual bureaucrats protecting (and enlarging) their turf.
But Alex's meaning is a whole lot darker; the Deep State is a coordinated effort with the New World Order pulling the strings to defend and expand their evil agenda. It's crazy, but it's a whole lot more interesting than reality. |
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Final Jeopardy Category: Movies Answer: Archibald Leach, Bernard Schwartz and Lucille LeSueur Question: Who are three people who are not pedophiles? I'm sorry Cliff, that's not the question we were looking for. Be that as it may Alex, those people are not pedophiles. |
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I actually know who two of those three are. Had to look up Lucille.
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It is my contention that a "deep state" cannot logically exist. Here is my primary prohibitive observational evidence. Where am I going wrong?
1. A deep state would simply eliminate or silence people like Alex Jones. 2. Clinton and Trump were the two contenders for president. At least one of them would have to be the deep state choice, assuming the existence of a deep state. Are we to believe that's the best a deep state could come up with?? A short, bitchy old lady and/or an unstable geriatric narcissist? One of them?? Really? Then how in monkey hell did this obviously incompetent deep state manage to take over the world's most powerful country? See? The "deep state" is logically impossible. Glaringly obviously impossible. Unless the "deep state" is nothing more than a mindless conglomeration of random power grubbers who have managed to worm their way into positions of power, mostly by a combination of obsessive persistence aided by blind, staggering luck. In which case "deep state" is a misnomer. |
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But what if the Deep State manages to trick most voters into believing that its interests are their interests (eg. fewer financial regulations, tax cuts for the rich, more prisons, stronger military)? Then the only ones who are aware that their interests are being substituted are those who aren't sheeple drinking the kool-aid, ie. conspiracy nuts.
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It is like with Pizza gate, sure it is a conspiracy theory but when it is endorsed by major political figures like the national security adviser it becomes main stream politics as well.
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