Passing Peak Trump? - Page 4

TheL8Elvis · 18th November 2015, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly

LOL. It never stops. How has the "Trump wave clearly crested"? The last 2 major polls have all shown him with major increases.

I swear, Trump could be being sworn into office as POTUS and some of you would still be saying that he's "clearly" finished.

You know what would have been helpful ? Links to said polls...

Here is some recent polling info I found:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...apses-in-colo/

Two new polls will offer fodder for either side of the "Trump can't do it" argument. The one in New Hampshire, by WBUR, has him up a few points over the past few weeks in that important early primary state. But one from Colorado, by Quinnipiac University, has him in third — a position that he hasn't been in for quite some time.

Grizzly Bear · 18th November 2015, 01:33 PM

Trumps been up and down but based on the rcp polls ive checked the average of the trend is downwards... atleast as of Sunday when i lookes

Skeptic Ginger · 18th November 2015, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly

LOL. It never stops. How has the "Trump wave clearly crested"? The last 2 major polls have all shown him with major increases.

I swear, Trump could be being sworn into office as POTUS and some of you would still be saying that he's "clearly" finished.

Guess it depends on if you think the whole GOP has gone crazy or just the 25% that say they support Trump.

I don't see the major increases you are referring to. According to RCP's poll averages, Trump has been around 25% for months.

Carson's crazy will catch up to him soon, he gets loonier every day. I imagine his followers will start to drift off toward someone other than Trump, either Cruz or? After that, Trump won't look like the winner he pretends to be.

We'll see. But I'm still in the 'GOP isn't that crazy yet' camp.

Ladewig · 18th November 2015, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

To get back to the topic, I think the Trump wave has clearly crested. He is saying more and more ridiculous things because attention is like oxygen to his campaign, even if it's negative attention. I think he'll stay in until the convention, since he isn't really limited financially, and try to leverage his remaining support into a Cabinet position or something. Actually, I think that's the plan for a lot of these candidates. That's why you don't see many of them dropping out no matter how bad their poll numbers are. If someone is twenty delegates short of a majority, and you have twenty-five... surely no one believes that horses wouldn't be traded in such a situation.

They say that that was how it was done back-in-the-day, but does that work well now? If Carson dropped out and told his followers to support JEB, would all of them follow that request? Would 80%? I don't know the exact answers but I think it might be less than 80%.

dudalb · 18th November 2015, 01:50 PM

And Trump doubled down today on his "I will close the Mosques" statement Monday.

jhunter1163 · 18th November 2015, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

They say that that was how it was done back-in-the-day, but does that work well now? If Carson dropped out and told his followers to support JEB, would all of them follow that request? Would 80%? I don't know the exact answers but I think it might be less than 80%.

I don't know how well it would work now, with "superdelegates" and all the rules changes that have occurred over the last 40 years or so. There hasn't been a convention that wasn't settled on the first ballot for many and many a year, but with the GOP field as fractured as it is I have a hard time believing that any candidate will muster a first-ballot majority. So there's certainly a theoretical possibility of horse-trading, but how it would play out in practice is anyone's guess.

And let us not forget that the Republican candidates are, basically, competing for the right to get waxed by Hillary in the general.

Trebuchet · 18th November 2015, 05:20 PM

I'm all in favor of Trump getting the nomination. Because those that are supporting him now will be pretty much the only ones supporting him in the general election.

dudalb · 19th November 2015, 11:53 AM

Trump is now "Open" to a a database for monitoring American Muslims.

Skeptic Ginger · 19th November 2015, 12:08 PM

Definitely passing peak Trump. There are no words that can adequately describe this lunacy:

[Trump] also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.

dudalb · 19th November 2015, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Definitely passing peak Trump. There are no words that can adequately describe this lunacy:

[Trump] also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.

Beat ya to it.

Trump seems to have never heard of the First Amendment.

And I would LOVE to be a Fly On The Wall next time Donald tries to open a Hotel in a Muslim country.Why do I think he will be not exactly get a warm reception.

Ladewig · 19th November 2015, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Definitely passing peak Trump. There are no words that can adequately describe this lunacy:

[Trump] also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.

I don't understand why you think this is definitely the peak for Trump. You find the proposed idea repugnant, I find the proposed idea repugnant, and everyone on this board finds the proposed idea repugnant. But we are not representative of Trump's fan base. It is the crazy stuff that that makes him so popular among that crowd - he says things that appeal to the lowest common denominator. These things don't have to be workable or Constitutional, they just have to appeal to a bunch of idiots.

Ladewig · 19th November 2015, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache..

Originally Posted by Ladewig

It is wrong to compare Trump to Hitler because Hitler actually served in the military.

All kidding aside, I skipped around the speech and I Did not see anything Hitlerish (Hitleresque ?)at all. Can you be more specific as to why the speech reminded you of Hitler.

Well, Dudalb, it looks like you were right and I was wrong. A special database and IDs so we can easily identify them. The only thing missing was a suggestion that they sew a star and crescent on their clothing so we can identify them in public.

ETA
I suppose that keeping track of all the untermensch and issuing special travel documents if they want to cross state lines will require a new branch at Homeland Security. We could give them a name like, I don't know, maybe the Security Squadron.

varwoche · 19th November 2015, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I don't understand why you think this is definitely the peak for Trump. You find the proposed idea repugnant, I find the proposed idea repugnant, and everyone on this board finds the proposed idea repugnant. But we are not representative of Trump's fan base. It is the crazy stuff that that makes him so popular among that crowd - he says things that appeal to the lowest common denominator. These things don't have to be workable or Constitutional, they just have to appeal to a bunch of idiots.

Indeed. We may even see his numbers go up.

dudalb · 19th November 2015, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

Indeed. We may even see his numbers go up.

By a couple of points.
What is find sad is that NONE of his GOP opponents dares to call him out over this. The party of Lincoln has indeed fallen on sad days.

portlandatheist · 19th November 2015, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Trump is now "Open" to a a database for monitoring American Muslims.

But how would ordinary Americans know who the Muslims are that don't have access to this database? Maybe we could sew a symbol on the sleeves of their clothing or something.

ETA: didn't see Ladewig which made the same point

dudalb · 19th November 2015, 05:35 PM

Hey,Donald announced he would "not rule out" special ID for Muslims and all Muslim homes being subject to search without any warrant.
Next week he will announce that he would "Not rule out" setting aside certain areas for Muslim to live in and require them to live there.

thaiboxerken · 19th November 2015, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Hey,Donald announced he would "not rule out" special ID for Muslims and all Muslim homes being subject to search without any warrant.
Next week he will announce that he would "Not rule out" setting aside certain areas for Muslim to live in and require them to live there.

Maybe he'll have Muslims where yellow stars. I feel that's been done before, though.

Manopolus · 19th November 2015, 09:59 PM

Yeah, the title is a bit misleading, but I couldn't resist.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/

Quote:

More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.
Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return

thaiboxerken · 19th November 2015, 10:12 PM

That fact doesn't matter to racists, which is Donald's base. Besides, he's moved onto a different race to pick on.

Ladewig · 19th November 2015, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

That fact doesn't matter to racists, which is Donald's base. Besides, he's moved onto a different race to pick on.

Might be more accurate to say "a different minority. "
One never knows if the next target will be based on race, ethnicity, national origin, or religion.

Norman Alexander · 19th November 2015, 10:57 PM

Ignoring relevant indisputable facts is probably what caused "genius billionaire" Trump to go bankrupt four times.

If he got to be president, was someone going to supervise him at all times in case he did a stupid?

Manopolus · 19th November 2015, 11:02 PM

I'll have to admit that the level of his appeal is a bit of a mystery to me. I'm sort of surrounded by anti-immigrant sentiments and a lot of stupid, but his poll numbers seem way too high for even where I'm at, never mind the rest of the country.

It just doesn't make much sense to me. I didn't realize we were this far gone. Are the Republicans mass trolling us or something?

Anyway, I figured the above bit of information could be a wake-up call for anyone in that demographic, but maybe not.

Cl1mh4224rd · 20th November 2015, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Manopolus

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/

I'm sure, if ever presented with this information, he'll find a way to take credit for it.

Foolmewunz · 20th November 2015, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

I'm sure, if ever presented with this information, he'll find a way to take credit for it.

That was my first instinct, too. "Sure. They could see I was winning (before I even decided to run) and with my no-nonsense skill-set I would've negotiated them straight out the door."

Mike! · 20th November 2015, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

I'm sure, if ever presented with this information, he'll find a way to take credit for it.

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

That was my first instinct, too. "Sure. They could see I was winning (before I even decided to run) and with my no-nonsense skill-set I would've negotiated them straight out the door."

You two were too quick for me. I was going to say, he'll just take credit for it as well. Speaking as a right wing loon, I do wish he'd hurry up and implode too.

JoeB · 20th November 2015, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Manopolus

I'll have to admit that the level of his appeal is a bit of a mystery to me. I'm sort of surrounded by anti-immigrant sentiments and a lot of stupid, but his poll numbers seem way too high for even where I'm at, never mind the rest of the country.

It just doesn't make much sense to me. I didn't realize we were this far gone. Are the Republicans mass trolling us or something?

Anyway, I figured the above bit of information could be a wake-up call for anyone in that demographic, but maybe not.

20% sounds like a lot but it's 20% of likely republican primary voters, which is like 15% of people (given R and likely are ~1/3). So those polling for Trump would be very very roughly 3% of the people you see day to day.

Trebuchet · 20th November 2015, 10:26 AM

He isn't done, just half-baked.

(Deja Vu? Yes, I did indeed make the same joke in the Hillary thread.)

Trebuchet · 20th November 2015, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Maybe he'll have Muslims where yellow stars. I feel that's been done before, though.

Yellow crescents. And yellow tacos for Mexicans.

Skeptic Ginger · 20th November 2015, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I don't understand why you think this is definitely the peak for Trump. You find the proposed idea repugnant, I find the proposed idea repugnant, and everyone on this board finds the proposed idea repugnant. But we are not representative of Trump's fan base. It is the crazy stuff that that makes him so popular among that crowd - he says things that appeal to the lowest common denominator. These things don't have to be workable or Constitutional, they just have to appeal to a bunch of idiots.

Because his crazy is becoming more defined.

Mind you, the base following him will eat it up. But there are enough sensible Republicans to know you can't win the general election alienating so many people.

dudalb · 20th November 2015, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Well, Dudalb, it looks like you were right and I was wrong. A special database and IDs so we can easily identify them. The only thing missing was a suggestion that they sew a star and crescent on their clothing so we can identify them in public.

ETA
I suppose that keeping track of all the untermensch and issuing special travel documents if they want to cross state lines will require a new branch at Homeland Security. We could give them a name like, I don't know, maybe the Security Squadron.

And I HATE you for coming up with the Secruity Squadron bit instead of me,World War 2 era buff that I am.

TubbaBlubba · 21st November 2015, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And I HATE you for coming up with the Secruity Squadron bit instead of me,World War 2 era buff that I am.

At the very least, Donald's going to need a bunch of elite bodyguards to protect him while he speaks the truth to the masses.

Doghouse Reilly · 22nd November 2015, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

At the very least, Donald's going to need a bunch of elite bodyguards to protect him while he speaks the truth to the masses.

He already has Secret Service protection. Pretty much the most elite team of bodyguards one could have.

TubbaBlubba · 22nd November 2015, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly

He already has Secret Service protection. Pretty much the most elite team of bodyguards one could have.

I don't know, I've heard there are a few Mexicans and Muslims in there. What Donald needs is protection by men of real, all-American stock.

DarthFishy · 22nd November 2015, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

I don't know, I've heard there are a few Mexicans and Muslims in there. What Donald needs is protection by men of real, all-American stock.

I even have a suggestion for the color of their shirts (maybe a classy brown?)

Craig B · 22nd November 2015, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

Hugo Chavez is a close match to his style if you replace American Imperialism with immigration as the core issue. Hitler's regime wiped out 6 million Jews in concentration camps and gas chambers. Comparing Trump to that extreme is therefore a stretch

At the time when Hitler was using Jews as scapegoats, to blame for Germany's economic and political woes c 1930, nobody knew what the future held. It is even possible that Hitler himself didn't then know that he was destined to commit these atrocities.

Grizzly Bear · 22nd November 2015, 08:11 AM

Well, with his more recent comments I almost have to revise what I said earlier. I no longer care how he tries to double down... I have no room left to give him reasonable doubt about his qualifications... If I don't see a downward trend in his polling over the next few months then I'll be making a call on whether to abstain from a vote or choose one of the other parties. I cannot throw my support behind him or Carson at this point...

Cl1mh4224rd · 22nd November 2015, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

Hitler's regime wiped out 6 million Jews in concentration camps and gas chambers. Comparing Trump to that extreme is therefore a stretch

Originally Posted by Craig B

At the time when Hitler was using Jews as scapegoats, to blame for Germany's economic and political woes c 1930, nobody knew what the future held. It is even possible that Hitler himself didn't then know that he was destined to commit these atrocities.

That was pretty much my thought, too: comparing "pre-fuhrer Hitler" to "WWII Hitler" would also be a stretch. The nice thing about history, though, is that we can learn from it; we don't have to let things play out over and over again.

Myron Proudfoot · 23rd November 2015, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache..

Charlie Chaplin????? well, he was a clown!

Myron Proudfoot · 23rd November 2015, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Maybe he'll have Muslims where yellow stars. I feel that's been done before, though.

but if Trump did it they'd be YUUUGGEEE stars! Yuuggeee! and classy!

applecorped · 26th January 2016, 08:24 PM

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

18th November 2015, 01:25 PM	#121
TheL8Elvis Philosopher Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,276	Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly LOL. It never stops. How has the "Trump wave clearly crested"? The last 2 major polls have all shown him with major increases. I swear, Trump could be being sworn into office as POTUS and some of you would still be saying that he's "clearly" finished. You know what would have been helpful ? Links to said polls... Here is some recent polling info I found: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...apses-in-colo/ Two new polls will offer fodder for either side of the "Trump can't do it" argument. The one in New Hampshire, by WBUR, has him up a few points over the past few weeks in that important early primary state. But one from Colorado, by Quinnipiac University, has him in third — a position that he hasn't been in for quite some time.
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18th November 2015, 01:33 PM	#122
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7,863	Trumps been up and down but based on the rcp polls ive checked the average of the trend is downwards... atleast as of Sunday when i lookes
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18th November 2015, 01:46 PM	#124
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,006	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 To get back to the topic, I think the Trump wave has clearly crested. He is saying more and more ridiculous things because attention is like oxygen to his campaign, even if it's negative attention. I think he'll stay in until the convention, since he isn't really limited financially, and try to leverage his remaining support into a Cabinet position or something. Actually, I think that's the plan for a lot of these candidates. That's why you don't see many of them dropping out no matter how bad their poll numbers are. If someone is twenty delegates short of a majority, and you have twenty-five... surely no one believes that horses wouldn't be traded in such a situation. They say that that was how it was done back-in-the-day, but does that work well now? If Carson dropped out and told his followers to support JEB, would all of them follow that request? Would 80%? I don't know the exact answers but I think it might be less than 80%.
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18th November 2015, 01:50 PM	#125
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,005	And Trump doubled down today on his "I will close the Mosques" statement Monday.
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18th November 2015, 01:54 PM	#126
jhunter1163 beer-swilling semiliterate Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Connecticut, or King Arthur's Court. Hard to tell sometimes. Posts: 25,291	Originally Posted by Ladewig They say that that was how it was done back-in-the-day, but does that work well now? If Carson dropped out and told his followers to support JEB, would all of them follow that request? Would 80%? I don't know the exact answers but I think it might be less than 80%. I don't know how well it would work now, with "superdelegates" and all the rules changes that have occurred over the last 40 years or so. There hasn't been a convention that wasn't settled on the first ballot for many and many a year, but with the GOP field as fractured as it is I have a hard time believing that any candidate will muster a first-ballot majority. So there's certainly a theoretical possibility of horse-trading, but how it would play out in practice is anyone's guess. And let us not forget that the Republican candidates are, basically, competing for the right to get waxed by Hillary in the general.
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18th November 2015, 01:41 PM	#123
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,899	Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly LOL. It never stops. How has the "Trump wave clearly crested"? The last 2 major polls have all shown him with major increases. I swear, Trump could be being sworn into office as POTUS and some of you would still be saying that he's "clearly" finished. Guess it depends on if you think the whole GOP has gone crazy or just the 25% that say they support Trump. I don't see the major increases you are referring to. According to RCP's poll averages, Trump has been around 25% for months. Carson's crazy will catch up to him soon, he gets loonier every day. I imagine his followers will start to drift off toward someone other than Trump, either Cruz or? After that, Trump won't look like the winner he pretends to be. We'll see. But I'm still in the 'GOP isn't that crazy yet' camp.

18th November 2015, 05:20 PM	#127
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,689	I'm all in favor of Trump getting the nomination. Because those that are supporting him now will be pretty much the only ones supporting him in the general election.
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19th November 2015, 11:53 AM	#128
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,005	Trump is now "Open" to a a database for monitoring American Muslims.
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19th November 2015, 12:08 PM	#129
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,899	Definitely passing peak Trump. There are no words that can adequately describe this lunacy: [Trump] also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.

19th November 2015, 12:43 PM	#130
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,005	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Definitely passing peak Trump. There are no words that can adequately describe this lunacy: [Trump] also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added. Beat ya to it. Trump seems to have never heard of the First Amendment. And I would LOVE to be a Fly On The Wall next time Donald tries to open a Hotel in a Muslim country.Why do I think he will be not exactly get a warm reception.
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19th November 2015, 01:08 PM	#131
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,006	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Definitely passing peak Trump. There are no words that can adequately describe this lunacy: [Trump] also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added. I don't understand why you think this is definitely the peak for Trump. You find the proposed idea repugnant, I find the proposed idea repugnant, and everyone on this board finds the proposed idea repugnant. But we are not representative of Trump's fan base. It is the crazy stuff that that makes him so popular among that crowd - he says things that appeal to the lowest common denominator. These things don't have to be workable or Constitutional, they just have to appeal to a bunch of idiots.
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19th November 2015, 01:15 PM	#132
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,006	Originally Posted by dudalb His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache.. Originally Posted by Ladewig It is wrong to compare Trump to Hitler because Hitler actually served in the military. All kidding aside, I skipped around the speech and I Did not see anything Hitlerish (Hitleresque ?)at all. Can you be more specific as to why the speech reminded you of Hitler. Well, Dudalb, it looks like you were right and I was wrong. A special database and IDs so we can easily identify them. The only thing missing was a suggestion that they sew a star and crescent on their clothing so we can identify them in public. ETA I suppose that keeping track of all the untermensch and issuing special travel documents if they want to cross state lines will require a new branch at Homeland Security. We could give them a name like, I don't know, maybe the Security Squadron.
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19th November 2015, 03:20 PM	#133
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,374	Originally Posted by Ladewig I don't understand why you think this is definitely the peak for Trump. You find the proposed idea repugnant, I find the proposed idea repugnant, and everyone on this board finds the proposed idea repugnant. But we are not representative of Trump's fan base. It is the crazy stuff that that makes him so popular among that crowd - he says things that appeal to the lowest common denominator. These things don't have to be workable or Constitutional, they just have to appeal to a bunch of idiots. Indeed. We may even see his numbers go up.
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19th November 2015, 03:50 PM	#134
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,005	Originally Posted by varwoche Indeed. We may even see his numbers go up. By a couple of points. What is find sad is that NONE of his GOP opponents dares to call him out over this. The party of Lincoln has indeed fallen on sad days.
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19th November 2015, 04:13 PM	#135
portlandatheist Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,584	Originally Posted by dudalb Trump is now "Open" to a a database for monitoring American Muslims. But how would ordinary Americans know who the Muslims are that don't have access to this database? Maybe we could sew a symbol on the sleeves of their clothing or something. ETA: didn't see Ladewig which made the same point
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19th November 2015, 05:35 PM	#136
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,005	Hey,Donald announced he would "not rule out" special ID for Muslims and all Muslim homes being subject to search without any warrant. Next week he will announce that he would "Not rule out" setting aside certain areas for Muslim to live in and require them to live there.
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19th November 2015, 09:54 PM	#137
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,690	Originally Posted by dudalb Hey,Donald announced he would "not rule out" special ID for Muslims and all Muslim homes being subject to search without any warrant. Next week he will announce that he would "Not rule out" setting aside certain areas for Muslim to live in and require them to live there. Maybe he'll have Muslims where yellow stars. I feel that's been done before, though.
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

19th November 2015, 09:59 PM	#138
Manopolus Metaphorical Anomaly Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brownbackistan Posts: 7,546	Donald Trump is Done. Yeah, the title is a bit misleading, but I couldn't resist. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/ Quote: More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S. Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return
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19th November 2015, 10:12 PM	#139
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,690	That fact doesn't matter to racists, which is Donald's base. Besides, he's moved onto a different race to pick on.
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

19th November 2015, 10:40 PM	#140
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,006	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken That fact doesn't matter to racists, which is Donald's base. Besides, he's moved onto a different race to pick on. Might be more accurate to say "a different minority. " One never knows if the next target will be based on race, ethnicity, national origin, or religion.
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19th November 2015, 10:57 PM	#141
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,501	Ignoring relevant indisputable facts is probably what caused "genius billionaire" Trump to go bankrupt four times. If he got to be president, was someone going to supervise him at all times in case he did a stupid?
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19th November 2015, 11:02 PM	#142
Manopolus Metaphorical Anomaly Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brownbackistan Posts: 7,546	I'll have to admit that the level of his appeal is a bit of a mystery to me. I'm sort of surrounded by anti-immigrant sentiments and a lot of stupid, but his poll numbers seem way too high for even where I'm at, never mind the rest of the country. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I didn't realize we were this far gone. Are the Republicans mass trolling us or something? Anyway, I figured the above bit of information could be a wake-up call for anyone in that demographic, but maybe not.
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20th November 2015, 12:33 AM	#143
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,778	Originally Posted by Manopolus http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/ I'm sure, if ever presented with this information, he'll find a way to take credit for it.
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20th November 2015, 03:06 AM	#144
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd I'm sure, if ever presented with this information, he'll find a way to take credit for it. That was my first instinct, too. "Sure. They could see I was winning (before I even decided to run) and with my no-nonsense skill-set I would've negotiated them straight out the door."
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20th November 2015, 05:18 AM	#145
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 39,785	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd I'm sure, if ever presented with this information, he'll find a way to take credit for it. Originally Posted by Foolmewunz That was my first instinct, too. "Sure. They could see I was winning (before I even decided to run) and with my no-nonsense skill-set I would've negotiated them straight out the door." You two were too quick for me. I was going to say, he'll just take credit for it as well. Speaking as a right wing loon, I do wish he'd hurry up and implode too.
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20th November 2015, 07:35 AM	#146
JoeB Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,414	Originally Posted by Manopolus I'll have to admit that the level of his appeal is a bit of a mystery to me. I'm sort of surrounded by anti-immigrant sentiments and a lot of stupid, but his poll numbers seem way too high for even where I'm at, never mind the rest of the country. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I didn't realize we were this far gone. Are the Republicans mass trolling us or something? Anyway, I figured the above bit of information could be a wake-up call for anyone in that demographic, but maybe not. 20% sounds like a lot but it's 20% of likely republican primary voters, which is like 15% of people (given R and likely are ~1/3). So those polling for Trump would be very very roughly 3% of the people you see day to day.
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20th November 2015, 10:26 AM	#147
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,689	He isn't done, just half-baked. (Deja Vu? Yes, I did indeed make the same joke in the Hillary thread.)
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20th November 2015, 11:21 AM	#148
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,689	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Maybe he'll have Muslims where yellow stars. I feel that's been done before, though. Yellow crescents. And yellow tacos for Mexicans.
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20th November 2015, 11:23 AM	#149
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 85,899	Originally Posted by Ladewig I don't understand why you think this is definitely the peak for Trump. You find the proposed idea repugnant, I find the proposed idea repugnant, and everyone on this board finds the proposed idea repugnant. But we are not representative of Trump's fan base. It is the crazy stuff that that makes him so popular among that crowd - he says things that appeal to the lowest common denominator. These things don't have to be workable or Constitutional, they just have to appeal to a bunch of idiots. Because his crazy is becoming more defined. Mind you, the base following him will eat it up. But there are enough sensible Republicans to know you can't win the general election alienating so many people.

20th November 2015, 11:32 AM	#150
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,005	Originally Posted by Ladewig Well, Dudalb, it looks like you were right and I was wrong. A special database and IDs so we can easily identify them. The only thing missing was a suggestion that they sew a star and crescent on their clothing so we can identify them in public. ETA I suppose that keeping track of all the untermensch and issuing special travel documents if they want to cross state lines will require a new branch at Homeland Security. We could give them a name like, I don't know, maybe the Security Squadron. And I HATE you for coming up with the Secruity Squadron bit instead of me,World War 2 era buff that I am.
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21st November 2015, 03:36 AM	#151
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,901	Originally Posted by dudalb And I HATE you for coming up with the Secruity Squadron bit instead of me,World War 2 era buff that I am. At the very least, Donald's going to need a bunch of elite bodyguards to protect him while he speaks the truth to the masses.
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22nd November 2015, 02:10 AM	#152
Doghouse Reilly Adrift on an uncharted sea Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,405	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba At the very least, Donald's going to need a bunch of elite bodyguards to protect him while he speaks the truth to the masses. He already has Secret Service protection. Pretty much the most elite team of bodyguards one could have.

22nd November 2015, 03:07 AM	#153
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,901	Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly He already has Secret Service protection. Pretty much the most elite team of bodyguards one could have. I don't know, I've heard there are a few Mexicans and Muslims in there. What Donald needs is protection by men of real, all-American stock.
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22nd November 2015, 03:36 AM	#154
DarthFishy Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,393	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba I don't know, I've heard there are a few Mexicans and Muslims in there. What Donald needs is protection by men of real, all-American stock. I even have a suggestion for the color of their shirts (maybe a classy brown?)
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22nd November 2015, 03:42 AM	#155
Craig B Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 22,841	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear Hugo Chavez is a close match to his style if you replace American Imperialism with immigration as the core issue. Hitler's regime wiped out 6 million Jews in concentration camps and gas chambers. Comparing Trump to that extreme is therefore a stretch At the time when Hitler was using Jews as scapegoats, to blame for Germany's economic and political woes c 1930, nobody knew what the future held. It is even possible that Hitler himself didn't then know that he was destined to commit these atrocities.