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Old Yesterday, 05:54 PM   #1121
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Do you care he gifted any potential defendants the gift of releasing stolen documents?

Do you care that everything he lies like crazy?

He lies, and lies and lies
I might have cared while he was still central to the story.
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Who's more reprehensible, and more damaging to the country? A lying lawyer or a lying POTUS?

Well, if anyone needs that explained to them they need to retrieve their brain, 'cause it obviously fell out somewhere along the line.
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I can't believe that the Big Dog wrote that. I'm really curious though. Does he really believe that Avenatti was lying about Trump? I also would love to know how anyone today can believe that anything Trump says is true.
MSNBC and CNN have taken to calling Trump a liar, they no longer couch it in any PC terms.

One guest today on CNN argued maybe we need to know if Trump knows he's lying to call it a lie. But then he went on to discuss how when one lies enough times the person believes their own lies.

That's a catch 22 for you.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I can't believe that the Big Dog wrote that. I'm really curious though. Does he really believe that Avenatti was lying about Trump? I also would love to know how anyone today can believe that anything Trump says is true.
Come on. He says whatever comes to mind. Some of those things may well be true, just by coincidence.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Can't speak for Fast Eddie, obviously, but I tend to think that I lean a little bit liberal these days. Much of that is because I'm disgusted with the unprincipled turn of the Republican party.

I tend to be somewhat in the middle, by and large. Or at least my positions are not so well suited to the oddball left/right distinction in the US currently. But no, I would not call myself more conservative than liberal. I think that a fair and unbiased observer would call me more liberal than conservative nowadays.

Is that because you have changed, or because "the middle" has moved over to the right of you?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
MSNBC and CNN have taken to calling Trump a liar, they no longer couch it in any PC terms.

One guest today on CNN argued maybe we need to know if Trump knows he's lying to call it a lie. But then he went on to discuss how when one lies enough times the person believes their own lies.

That's a catch 22 for you.
Oh if msnbc and cnn said it....

MSNBC and cnn stormied themselves by repeatedly allowing their airwaves to be monopolized by Thirsty the Sleazy Thug without pointing out that, for example, he was a serial scumbag with numerous judgments entered against him.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Come on. He says whatever comes to mind. Some of those things may well be true, just by coincidence.
But it's like the lottery. The odds aren't in his favor. And Trump doesn't just pull crap out of his ass. He also deliberately lies a lot. Saying things that not only he has no idea about but sound good to him. But he says things he knows are patently false.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
MSNBC and CNN have taken to calling Trump a liar, they no longer couch it in any PC terms.

One guest today on CNN argued maybe we need to know if Trump knows he's lying to call it a lie. But then he went on to discuss how when one lies enough times the person believes their own lies.

That's a catch 22 for you.
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Oh if msnbc and cnn said it....

MSNBC and cnn stormied themselves by repeatedly allowing their airwaves to be monopolized by Thirsty the Sleazy Thug without pointing out that, for example, he was a serial scumbag with numerous judgments entered against him.
Right. CNN and MSNBC are unfairly reporting that Trump lies a lot.

Some of Trump's most recent lies.
Says "Nancy Pelosi came out in favor of MS-13."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...i-came-out-fa/
Says James Clapper said "that the FBI was spying on (Trump's)*campaign."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-fbi-spied-tr/
A "catch and release" immigration policy*"is a Democrat rule, Sherrod Brown, this is a Democrat rule."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...-catch-and-re/
"In seven years that (nuclear) deal will have expired, and Iran is free to go ahead and create nuclear weapons." *
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...r-deal-expire/
Says*North Korea has "agreed to denuclearization."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...reed-denuclea/
"Only fools, or worse, are saying that our money losing Post Office makes money with Amazon. THEY LOSE A FORTUNE, and this will be changed."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...osing-fortune/
Says Conor Lamb "ran on a campaign that said very nice things about me."
http://www.politifact.com/pennsylvan...bout-trump-no/
In Japan, "they take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and they drop it on the hood of the car. And if the hood dents, then the car doesn't qualify...It's horrible, the way we're treated."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ing-ball-test/

This is just scratching the surface.

Is Avenatti lying about Trump?
Is Stormy Daniels lying about Trump?

Or
Was Trump telling the truth about his affair with Stormy?
Was Trump telling the truth when he was asked if he knew about the payoff to Daniels?

For all your complaints about Avenatti, I have yet to see him lie about Trump or Cohen.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
What does it take for these people to recognize they are being lied to non-stop? And it's not the media, the deep state or the Democrats that are lying. The facts are EASY to check, but they have BLINDERS on. Trump is a liar, a thief, a cheat a sleaze and a traitor to the nation. And this is not hard to figure out.
From The Hill:

Defense expert lists 6 Trump errors in 2 minutes of his Navy speech
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Jessica Drake says she will testify in court that Daniels told her about being threatened over Trump
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Who would trust a PORN so-called "star" when their word contradicts that of the POTUS and his long-term lawyer?
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I think it’s safe to say, in a version of the well-worn phrase, the man couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it.
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Really comprehensive article that shows the way Avenatti treats his partners and his view on contracts,which really sheds light on the terrible advice he has given to his clients including Stormy.

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjourna...20180426093801

Can a lawyer who ignores his own settlement agreements give disinterested advice to his clients regarding the enforceability of settlement agreements. Quick answer, as evidenced here: nope.

That bankruptcy thing in Florida stinks to high heaven
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Really comprehensive article that shows the way Avenatti treats his partners and his view on contracts,which really sheds light on the terrible advice he has given to his clients including Stormy.

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjourna...20180426093801

Can a lawyer who ignores his own settlement agreements give disinterested advice to his clients regarding the enforceability of settlement agreements. Quick answer, as evidenced here: nope.

That bankruptcy thing in Florida stinks to high heaven
And yet the FBI still raided Cohen's office, home and hotel room and the district attorney secured a guilty plea from one of his associates who is cooperating with the FBI.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Really comprehensive article that shows the way Avenatti treats his partners and his view on contracts,which really sheds light on the terrible advice he has given to his clients including Stormy.

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjourna...20180426093801

Can a lawyer who ignores his own settlement agreements give disinterested advice to his clients regarding the enforceability of settlement agreements. Quick answer, as evidenced here: nope.

That bankruptcy thing in Florida stinks to high heaven
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I would add a seventh:
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The world is "respecting us again."
As usual, with many of The Dunce's statements, the exact opposite is true. From Newsweek:
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America’s global image has dropped to an all-time low the first year of the Trump administration, falling below where it stood during the presidencies of Barack Obama and George W. Bush, according to a new Gallup poll. The perception of U.S. leadership abroad since President Donald Trump took office has fallen 18 percentage points from the median 48 percent approval rating it held when Obama left office. Link
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And yet the FBI still raided Cohen's office, home and hotel room and the district attorney secured a guilty plea from one of his associates who is cooperating with the FBI.
and yet that did not contradict a single thing I wrote, nor remove the filthy stench coming from that involuntary bankruptcy filing.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
and yet that did not contradict a single thing I wrote, nor remove the filthy stench coming from that involuntary bankruptcy filing.
It's not that you're wrong about Avenatti's past, it's that it doesn't matter. He still won.
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It's not that you're wrong about Avenatti's past, it's that it doesn't matter. He still won.
won? Won what? This week he had a ten million judgment entered against him.
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won? Won what? This week he had a ten million judgment entered against him.
And that relates to the Daniels case or Cohen how?
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And that relates to the Daniels case or Cohen how?
In exactly the same way as your claim he “won” something, in fact much more so because what I wrote is directly relevant to his fitness to practice law.
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Regarding the unsavoriness of Avenatti

TBD is, in part, trying to label many of us hypocrites. The logic is that we care about Trump being a bad person, but ignore Avenatti, ergo BIASED PARTISAN HACK.

I speak only for myself here, although i imagine this is true fur many others in the thread as well.

The comparison is flawed for the following reasons

1. I DO care about any crimes or unethical actions committed by Avenatti. To be clear, I care about them in the same general way I care about all crimes. I fully and completely support the investigation by the proper officials of any criminal or unethical actions committed by Avenatti. I further support the fair and proper application of the appropriate penalties for such actions. In fact, i support this with regards to any and all people. f Full stop. For the purposes of this discussion I am considering both Trump and Avenatti to be people.

2. Avenatti's transgressions, real or alleged, do not particularly matter to me on an individual personal basis. I care only in the abstract. E.g., I want all muggers caught, but I am more invested in the guy who mugged me, as an analogy. Avenatti has an extremely limited ability to hurt me, the people I care about, or the institutions of this country.

3. I do not support Avenatti running for office, and would not vote for him in almost all circumstances. If he attempted to strike up a friendship with me a would rebuff him.

4. I care, personally, far more about what Trump has done and is alleged to have done, both in regards to the subject of this thread and several others because the power he now wields and the way he does it has the potential to negatively affect me, my family and my country in significant ways.

So yes, I am mostly uninterested in TBD's rabid recitation of Avenatti's past. I care about Avenatti only inasmuch as he can effect things I care about. I welcome any legitimate investigation Into his wrongdoings, but don't really want the details.

By the same token, I am very invested in what Trump had and is doing. It's not hypocrisy. Its not whataboutism. It is consistent, it's principled, and it is based on enlightened self interest.

I welcome TBD explaining the principles he adheres to that make him care about Avenatti's issues more than Trump's. A comparison of his principles and mine could make for an enlightening and productive discussion.
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I wonder whether there is a general agreement that Trump probably had a relationship of some sort with Stormy which involved Trump having sex with her once.

Then there is the question whether in some form or another Trump linked the sex to the possibility of an appearance on The Apprentice or another opportunity.

If the above are true that is the formation of some form of contract, after that it is a long story as the terms of contract were formalised.

For me, as with any complex legal case, it is 50/50 and although each side's legal team will advise their Clients have an excellent case just forget that, they will collect their fees, but it is still 50/50.

But does this case come down to the fact that Stormy acepted the money against Trump being a liar. If so it remains 50/50 and Avanetti not really in the equation except maybe to bring the hearing forward.
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Originally Posted by beren View Post
Regarding the unsavoriness of Avenatti

TBD is, in part, trying to label many of us hypocrites. The logic is that we care about Trump being a bad person, but ignore Avenatti, ergo BIASED PARTISAN HACK.

I speak only for myself here, although i imagine this is true fur many others in the thread as well.

The comparison is flawed for the following reasons

1. I DO care about any crimes or unethical actions committed by Avenatti. To be clear, I care about them in the same general way I care about all crimes. I fully and completely support the investigation by the proper officials of any criminal or unethical actions committed by Avenatti. I further support the fair and proper application of the appropriate penalties for such actions. In fact, i support this with regards to any and all people. f Full stop. For the purposes of this discussion I am considering both Trump and Avenatti to be people.

2. Avenatti's transgressions, real or alleged, do not particularly matter to me on an individual personal basis. I care only in the abstract. E.g., I want all muggers caught, but I am more invested in the guy who mugged me, as an analogy. Avenatti has an extremely limited ability to hurt me, the people I care about, or the institutions of this country.

3. I do not support Avenatti running for office, and would not vote for him in almost all circumstances. If he attempted to strike up a friendship with me a would rebuff him.

4. I care, personally, far more about what Trump has done and is alleged to have done, both in regards to the subject of this thread and several others because the power he now wields and the way he does it has the potential to negatively affect me, my family and my country in significant ways.

So yes, I am mostly uninterested in TBD's rabid recitation of Avenatti's past. I care about Avenatti only inasmuch as he can effect things I care about. I welcome any legitimate investigation Into his wrongdoings, but don't really want the details.

By the same token, I am very invested in what Trump had and is doing. It's not hypocrisy. Its not whataboutism. It is consistent, it's principled, and it is based on enlightened self interest.

I welcome TBD explaining the principles he adheres to that make him care about Avenatti's issues more than Trump's. A comparison of his principles and mine could make for an enlightening and productive discussion.
And there it goes. This is the nonsense diversion that the Big Dog is counting on.

TBD tries to makes Trump's sleaze about Avenatti. As if Avenatti is a party to the Stormy Daniels suit. (he's not, Cohen, Trump and Stephanie Clifford are though) As if Avenatti is an elected official. As if Avenatti is selling out to the Russians, a South Korean aerospace company, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, a pharmaceutical company, AT&T and others? As if Avenatti was cheating on his wife and paying off Playboy bunnies and porn stars.

The Big Dog calls Avenatti a liar, but the lies he points out are questionable and TOTALLY UNRELATED to Trump, Cohen or this case. In fact he refuses to be specific about this point. I see no lies by Avenatti relating to this case NONE. Yet, it's clear as day that Cohen lied, Trump lied and Giuliani all lied about Trump's relationship with Stormy. All of them lied about Trump's knowledge of the payoff.
90 percent of TBD's posts in this thread have nothing to do with the parties to the Stormy Daniels suit, they are about her lawyer.

This is simply more diversion and deception.
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Who would trust a PORN so-called "star" when their word contradicts that of the POTUS and his long-term lawyer?



In the past almost no one. In this case almost everyone.
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I wonder whether there is a general agreement that Trump probably had a relationship of some sort with Stormy which involved Trump having sex with her once.

Then there is the question whether in some form or another Trump linked the sex to the possibility of an appearance on The Apprentice or another opportunity.

If the above are true that is the formation of some form of contract, after that it is a long story as the terms of contract were formalised.

For me, as with any complex legal case, it is 50/50 and although each side's legal team will advise their Clients have an excellent case just forget that, they will collect their fees, but it is still 50/50.

But does this case come down to the fact that Stormy acepted the money against Trump being a liar. If so it remains 50/50 and Avanetti not really in the equation except maybe to bring the hearing forward.
It would appear that the disputes has nothing to do with an alleged contract relating to the apprentice, but the actual contract that Stormy signed as part of what appears to be an attempt to extort Trump.

Beyond the fact that Avenatti has made himself the ringmaster in the three ring circus he created, his legal advice and strategy and his credibility are fair game, of course, as witnessed by his bragging on twitter that he practically begged one of his clients to breach her NDA.
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It would appear that the disputes has nothing to do with an alleged contract relating to the apprentice, but the actual contract that Stormy signed as part of what appears to be an attempt to extort Trump.
It is more simple and we have to go back to the original offer (sex for an appearance on The Apprentice) and the acceptance (yes and sex). After that the terms were under negotiation (any emails?)

The NDA was much later and is disputed. So we return to the original contract and as I have told you it is 50/50.
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Would there be a way to ensure that Hillary Clinton could someday be represented by Avenatti?

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Would there be a way to ensure that Hillary Clinton could someday be represented by Avenatti?

No of course not. Where are you posting from?
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I wonder whether there is a general agreement that Trump probably had a relationship of some sort with Stormy which involved Trump having sex with her once.
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Then there is the question whether in some form or another Trump linked the sex to the possibility of an appearance on The Apprentice or another opportunity.
Possible but not relevant.

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... But does this case come down to the fact that Stormy acepted the money against Trump being a liar. If so it remains 50/50 and Avanetti not really in the equation except maybe to bring the hearing forward.
You lost me here.

There's one part of the story not getting a lot of attention. Davidson was not providing fair representation to Daniels in the initial NDA.

And getting coverage but maybe not taken seriously is the threat that may have been real.
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No of course not. Where are you posting from?
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It is more simple and we have to go back to the original offer (sex for an appearance on The Apprentice) and the acceptance (yes and sex). After that the terms were under negotiation (any emails?)

The NDA was much later and is disputed. So we return to the original contract and as I have told you it is 50/50.
You might have told me it is 50/50 but the fact of the matter is the 2006 alleged transaction is heavily disputed and any competent lawyer would tell you that statute of limitations on that alleged contract expired years ago
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I am informing you that that the contract offer/acceptance was at the time of the sex and The Apprentice discussion. I did not state when the dispute came into effect. That is why I say 50/50.
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I am informing you that that the contract offer/acceptance was at the time of the sex and The Apprentice discussion. I did not state when the dispute came into effect. That is why I say 50/50.
The statute of limitations for an oral contract in California is two years, for a written it is four.

The alleged encounter took place in 2006, do the math.
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